LGBTQ! Why so many anti gay slurs? NSFW/K

[Blue_Dragon]

Heck yeah! There's a whole movie industry and genre with homosexual themes (and not just pornos.) Some of my favorite movies under this genre are La Mala de Education and Mulholland Drive (though, this one is very abstracted...it's kinda hard to get through sometimes, but I enjoyed it.)

I did not like Pink Flamingos. I don't care it was the first film of its kind and was "shocking" and "brilliant" or whatever. I just didn't like it. Chasing Amy was okay (too much love story, but it makes some good points.)

*on a side note, I try not to use the terms myself, but when I do use it, it's to actually describe something that is "gay" like one of my favorite bars I think this conversation was done somewhere further back in this thread. I'll call my significant other "gay," but if anyone else calls him that, he rightfully gets ticked (he's bi, which is where this comes from.) Likewise, he can call me "bitch" or occasionally "gringa" (I'm not as fond of this, but I let it slide,) but if someone else calls me that, it's not cool.

[Kodos]

Fair enough. But hasn't shit always been "poop?" or is it like gay in that it began as something else?

Meanings change. Things can be offensive now that were not originally. Also regarding gayness - it's an iffy thing. I was just reading about how homosexuality is actually a relatively new concept.

Without getting into too much detail basically the gist of the point was that while there has always been homosexual behavior, and most cultures have had words for it (buggery, sodomy, whatever) the idea of homosexuality being something you *are* rather than something you *do* is relatively new in the West. That identifying a person as a homosexual rather than as a person who does homosexual acts is sort of new.

[ClockHand]

La Mala de Education

Isn't it La Mala Educación? By Pedro Almodóvar? Great director who have always made a big rol about sexuality and motherly relationships in his films.

[Gedeon]

I call my friends gay sometimes to mess with them, not because being gay is bad. Its because for them being gay is not something they like. I haven't met any gay people yet, but i don't imagine that they are so much different. I imagine gay people like this. Everyone eats and loves chocolate, but there are some people that don't like it. its mostly normal for people to like chocolate, but simply there are some that just don't like it. So i imagine its the same with gay people. Most men love women and women bodies, but some don't. I can't agree that that's completely normal, simply cuz i don't think nature intended that two males love each other, but it ain't something bad. A different taste. Nothing more or less. Te human brain evolves, and as we started to like art as neandatarls(or some-such(maybe homo-erectus or something earlier) im not kodos, i don't know everything) at the time it was meaningless and didn't serve any purpose. But still some liked to paint pictures of the hunt, and so it evolved to art as we know it today. I don't think that homosexuality is gonna be as wide spread and accepted as art, but i do imagine that its going to evolve from just a an idea of a bad act as kodos told us, and that it could be simply embraced as a different taste in something that gives us pleasure.

[Psy]

Some people can not have chocolate because they will die to. You can live a long happy life without chocolate. Telling some one that they are gay to make them feel uncomfortable or mad is keeping those negative views of lgbt people alive and no one wants to be something everyone hates and they will do anything to not be viewed that way. Also trust me that you are right in a way that lgbt people are just the same as you and everyone else but I assure you that you have met a gay person and that you just don't know it because they are just normal people that are not in your face with their sexuality. Not all gay people are going to announce that they are lgbt because that is not what defines them.

[Harvester_Of_Sorrow]

I think gay being an insult to a straight person is just something that has been ingrained in us as a convenional, generic insult for whatever reason. When I'm joking about, I call straight friends of mine gay, and gay friends of mine 'AIDS ridden', but ofcourse its all in the delivery and its all about knowing that that person won't take offence.

Incidentally, I have also found that straight woman get far more offended if you wrongly say they are lesbain than straight men do if you wrongly say they are gay. Maybe thats cause calling guys gay in jest for so long has desensitised them to the word. Or maybe all guys secretly wanna suck a dick. Who knows.

[CypressDahlia]

Well, gay being an insult to a straight person is just a question of my sexuality, which is insulting in the sense that that's not actually what I'm into. There's nothing wrong with being gay, but I'm not. That would be like calling me a conservative when I'm not. You are questioning how well I know myself and furthermore how much resolve I have in my own ideas. Its kinda like saying I'm in denial about something.

[Harvester_Of_Sorrow]

C'mon, Cyp, we all know you like a good ass-fuck as much as the rest of us. Own up!

I think you are right, but I think Kodos had it more spot on that many straight men don't only find it a wrong in the fact that its not what their into, but in the fact that it is something that seems to be universally seen as just abnormal. I used to be of the persuation that 'I don't mind gay people, as long as they don't try to come on to me.' but now I think differently. I find it fun to string along gay guys.

[ClockHand]

And what about Bitch? I know "gay" is used as a insult, and most of the time is a more joke insult that few people take it seriously, but what about calling someone "bitch"?

[CypressDahlia]

I don't mind being called bitch as long as it's in a friendly intonation. My girlfriend calls me that and vice versa lol. But "bitch" has submissive connotations to it because of how it's used modernly, so people might take it the wrong way. And yeah, HoS, I don't deny that. Kodos got the main reason why. People do find it abnormal, but it's really just part of the times. In 50 years, it might be extremely normal. I think the ancient Greek have proven to us that perceptions of sexuality can change drastically.

I don't like it when gay guys come onto me, but if they're friends of mine it's okay as it's with the understanding that there is no actual interest there. It's usually just play-flirting, which I do with both my male and female friends all the time so doing it with a gay or bi friend doesn't occur to me as different.