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    Quote Originally Posted by Seira View Post
    The problem is that we end up with these weird paintings who sell for a few millions that consist of a few lines or dots onto a blank canvas. Seriously, are they buying that stuff for showing off?
    I'm inclined to believe expensive paintings are somewhat of a status symbol, at least for some people -- so yes, showing off (I don't wish to imply this is a bad thing). And then again, there are some really beautiful paintings out there that just go really well with people's living room wallpaper. I have a painting in my own room, after all.

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    Oh, paintings can be beautiful and make a boring wall lively. Buying it for status is quite different. The problem is, it's like they bought it just to tell other people, ahahaha i can buy a meaningless overpriced painting. They don't realize these paintings are sometimes not even art. It's like saying they're worth (a lot) more than some really well done and creative artworks. It's frustrating.
    Well, there are a few of them who actually are masterpieces, but it's still isn't worth such a price. I'm not talking about rare, really old paintings, btw, I'm talking about more recent ones in general.

    It's just my opinion, though.
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    Art is my foot up your ass, Bacon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Seira View Post
    That's funny, according to what Linz said, my drawings aren't art! (well, still not art). I don't have skill and certainly not creativity or imagination (duh, my drawings are all really plain/have an overused idea.) I get depressed whenever I think about that, and then I take a piece of paper and draw. Since there's no other way around it.
    The butthurt is strong in this one.
    I apologise that you have taken what I said to be offensive, but at the end of the day this discussion is not about ourselves and our skill - it is about the question; 'What is art?'

    If you truly believed in your so-called 'Art' you wouldn't have been so offended. Maybe you need to have a look at your own self-confidence and direction in a field you apparently feel so passionate to be in.
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    Wait a minute, I actually wasn't offended! What you said was true, in my opinion! What I meant to say is that I still am not an artist. I realize it, and it isn't especially because of what you said. I might have said it in a way that made you misunderstand, but you were sort of aggressive in your reply. You even assumed I actually wanted to do this as a job (which is quite wrong). I'm pretty sure I've got enough self-confidence too, it's not up to you to judge.

    English isn't my first language, btw, so I might have used words in the wrong context. It's frustrating to be misunderstood, so don't reply so harshly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linz View Post
    Even if you don't like the 'art' someone has created, ask yourself whether it shows skill, creativity and imagination. Does it evoke powerful emotions? Does it tell a story?
    If the piece does most of that, then yes. It is Art.
    The problem with these questions is that people have different emotional triggers. A piece that causes someone to cry might receive no emotional response from someone else at all. Also, I think that sometimes (or perhaps many times) only the creator of a piece knows the story behind it. A creator may see their own work as a creative and personal piece of art, while other may see junk because they don't know what lies underneath. The same is true for skill level. For example, a parent may be amazed with their child's creation, when an experienced artist would think of it as just some kid's project.

    At the end of the day, I have to agree with your point that art just depends on personal taste.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Linz View Post
    Like most art forms, (music, architecture, painting, drawing, Makeup, fashion, interior design) it is mostly based on each individuals perception of what art is. While I might find art in some areas, one of you might not. What art is to each individual is based on a few things; experience, preference and influence. These three things are so closely related, but what it boils down to is your personal taste. Like music! I can sit and listen to EDM and Aggrotech for hours on end whereas someone else would want to kill themselves, but it doesn't make EDM or Industrial any less of an art form just because you don't like it.

    The traditional definition of art is as follows;
    Art
    noun
    1.
    the expression or application of human creative skill and imagination, typically in a visual form such as painting or sculpture, producing works to be appreciated primarily for their beauty or emotional power.
    "the art of the Renaissance"

    Some people may try and CREATE art but it may not end up BEING art. If we called everything we created 'Art' then it would quickly lose its meaning and power.

    Even if you don't like the 'art' someone has created, ask yourself whether it shows skill, creativity and imagination. Does it evoke powerful emotions? Does it tell a story?
    If the piece does most of that, then yes. It is Art.
    Where does that "traditional" definition come from, if I may? As for skill, creativity, and imagination, I think Jorgie and others who have commented on the personal aspects have a good point in that sometimes those aspects may not be apparent to anyone but the artist in question. I think I primary issue in defining art is that of the medium. People will readily accept that painting, drawing, sculpture, architecture, and the rest of the classic mediums have the potential to house great works of art, but with, let's say, video games or even comics, works with genuine skill, creativity, and imagination get glossed over as being cheap and commercial.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JJJorgie View Post
    The problem with these questions is that people have different emotional triggers. A piece that causes someone to cry might receive no emotional response from someone else at all. Also, I think that sometimes (or perhaps many times) only the creator of a piece knows the story behind it. A creator may see their own work as a creative and personal piece of art, while other may see junk because they don't know what lies underneath. The same is true for skill level. For example, a parent may be amazed with their child's creation, when an experienced artist would think of it as just some kid's project.
    I honestly think skill level has nothing to do with it, per se. People recognize Kandinsky as a great painter, but many of his highly acclaimed pieces lack skill in their creation. (I had better words to say that with, but I lost them.) Of course, they saw other things, so I suppose Linz' quote should be modified to "skill, creativity, or imagination." Though I'm not sure how one distinguishes between the two.
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    See this is one of those questions that can't be answered to cover a broad general definition that applies to everyone, because everyone has their own definition of what art is. So... yea.
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    Okay then GunZ, give us your personal definition. I don't disagree with your prior assertion that it's subjective, but what is it to you? Personal definitions are just as valid as any other given the subject matter.
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    Art to me is really anything that shows skill, creativity/ imagination, problem solving, or gets my inspired or makes me go 'that is awesome', or shows a certain beauty that appeals to me. The latter particularly applies to non-conventional 'arts', if you will. Most classical genres of art, I consider art without a second thought, like most people tend to, aka drawings, paintings, sculpting, etc.

    I consider games as an art form, as well as skateboarding, though it's considered a 'sport' to many others.

    One thing I don't consider art is post-modernism, or contemporary arts, though there are rare exceptions. So even my own personal opinion on what art is is just as flexible as the term itself.
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