:P well its fine if you don't want to tell me. It just sounds like you're speaking from a more knowledgeable point of view and I wondered if you were basing it off things that you have experienced personally or through someone close to you, or if its just your view of the issue. I my self haven't really been in that position, so that's where my ideas come from. I've been in positions before where I have seen others going through similar stuff begin to self harm and consider suicide, but I never did. So that's why I think mental illness is such a strong influence on whether or not someone will try to take their life. To me it seems like someone who is mentally healthy can make it through the same tough times without considering it. What Gunzet said about depression being a gateway to those thoughts makes a lot of sense to me.