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    Those God Posters made me laugh my ass off.

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    The final image in that series raises an important point: Adam and Eve in so many ways exemplify why Christianity is morally bankrupt. In that story we learn numerous things. First of all, we learn that God believes women to be inferior and subservient. Second we find that God expects people to obey rules without understanding why. God literally wants slave morality. He wants Adam and Eve to obey him, but since they cannot conceive of right or wrong, they have literally no reason to obey God beyond fear. Even blind loyalty can't come in, because blind loyalty is still based on a (exceedingly simple) concept of right and wrong. Obviously we learn int he story that God created man explicitly so they could fall, since he is omnipotent and omniscient. We also learn that it is morally righteous to be ashamed of your own body. Lastly we learn that God believes in collective punishment on a scale that boggles the mind. Adam and Eve sinned, and so every single human being who will ever live must be punished.

    Try using Christian morals one day. Punish a man's entire family when he breaks a rule that you never explained to him.

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    Mr. Kodos sir, can I just confirm that if you don't reply to one of my comments, it means you agree? I'm used to verbal confirmation is all.

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    @ Kodos, You're absolutely right. It's funny how some people say how the fall in Eden is a "graceful fall" even though there is nothing graceful about it. It's just another piece of proof on how massively manufactured religions only aim for world slavery.

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    Religion used for world slavery? Banks and all the credit type economics makes slavery. One should be more conserned about the constantly rising external debts and trade deficit of US and EU. In a few decated if this continues with the same rate Asian countries will tell us what to do and how. Don't get me wrong - I admire asian economies. For example Japan is now one of the leading economies mainly because its people have the highest saving rate in all the world. All we do is take credit and live upon future generations money. I'm more concern about that than religion.

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    Religion used for world slavery? Banks and all the credit type economics makes slavery. One should be more conserned about the constantly rising external debts and trade deficit of US and EU. In a few decated if this continues with the same rate Asian countries will tell us what to do and how. Don't get me wrong - I admire asian economies. For example Japan is now one of the leading economies mainly because its people have the highest saving rate in all the world. All we do is take credit and live upon future generations money. I'm more concern about that than religion.
    You're right, all religions are fine because world banks make us slaves. What? If you want to make an issue of the trade deficits of the US and the EU, which I totally agree is a worthy issue, then make another thread. This thread is about religious bullshit. You won't get anywhere by saying; 'Religious conformity ain't that bad compared too global banks.' On a larger scale, that could easily be argued to not even be true, but even if it was, that is irrelevant to the issue at hand.

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    Ok sorry for the offtopic. Here's what I think on the topic:
    Main religions are fine and I don't see how they enslave people. If it's not the religion, people would believe in something else. It's just how most humans are. Especialy if there is something they can not understand or can not accept.
    I will admit that I am surprised that here in US there are religoin TV channels that air free and talk bullshits all day. I wake up in Sunday and turn on my TV and there is that crazy guy saying that Jesus is talking to him right now - Seriously?! I don't know how you call them but most of those "priests" and "religions" that you have are illegal in Europe. And if something like that goes on TV the channel can lose it's license. But then again there are alot of psychics back home and they were even able to make a School of Magic . But I guess there are strange people everywhere as long as there is someone to believe them.
    But your taking it too seriously. Most religous people don't read the bible and other books word by word. It is for everyone to decide by himself what's wrong etc. And depending on how smart you are you'll probably find different meaning and those stories.
    If bible says that "rape is not a big deal". Well it's wrong. It is a big deal. And who believes it's not just because someone told him so is stupid.

    I'm waiting for Kodos to split this message into peaces and argue about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenn View Post
    Mr. Kodos sir, can I just confirm that if you don't reply to one of my comments, it means you agree? I'm used to verbal confirmation is all.
    That, or I forgot to reply because I was [lazy/tired/forgetful].

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    Religion used for world slavery? Banks and all the credit type economics makes slavery.
    Chattel slavery - such as endorsed by the Bible - predates capitalism. I am a socialist and I hate the free market and what it has done to the world, but this is such a retarded claim as to be comical.

    One should be more conserned about the constantly rising external debts and trade deficit of US and EU. In a few decated if this continues with the same rate Asian countries will tell us what to do and how. Don't get me wrong - I admire asian economies. For example Japan is now one of the leading economies mainly because its people have the highest saving rate in all the world. All we do is take credit and live upon future generations money. I'm more concern about that than religion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by violin View Post
    Ok sorry for the offtopic. Here's what I think on the topic:
    Main religions are fine and I don't see how they enslave people.
    Yes. I don't see how belief systems that claim blind obedience to authority is one of the highest virtues, and that there are certain behaviors you must or must not do regardless of reason or logic, and which literally endorse slavery, enslave people.

    If it's not the religion, people would believe in something else.
    I've addressed this before. Religions claim legitimacy in a way secular philosophies do not. Even the most absurd secular philosophies, like Objectivism, still claim to be based on logic and reason and can be argued and debated on such grounds. It forces people to - at least in theory - examine and justify their beliefs and actions. Religion is predicated on the idea that there are certain things - like the existence of God - which are immune to logical justification and are true and do not need to be rationalized, defended, or argued for. One you throw logic out the window no debate is possible.

    It's just how most humans are. Especialy if there is something they can not understand or can not accept.
    The reason so many people cannot accept or understand science and logic is because their minds have tragically been poisoned by religion. It's like saying "It's useless to try and prevent cancer because people with cancer will die anyway." The alternative you are proposing is a direct result of the thing we are trying to combat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kodos View Post
    That, or I forgot to reply because I was [lazy/tired/forgetful].
    No prob. It just felt like all the points you missed were the best arguments/comments I'd made. But I don't think that's actually true.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kodos View Post
    The reason so many people cannot accept or understand science and logic is because their minds have tragically been poisoned by religion. It's like saying "It's useless to try and prevent cancer because people with cancer will die anyway." The alternative you are proposing is a direct result of the thing we are trying to combat.
    Re: education. I strongly believe that effective education is the most important step in solving almost all the world problems. Not the only step, but the primary one.

    I am tolerant of a religion or secular philosophy unless that religion/philosophy endorses harming another individual. Then stuff gets serious.

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    ^ Nearly all religions endorse harming other individuals. The ones that don't are generally smaller than those that do.

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