Games that impacted you the most [POSSIBLE SPOILERS]

[GunZet]

I'm also a turbo FF7 fan. Oh, and I just played the Limbo demo off Steam....my goodness, I haven't actually 'felt' anything from a platformer before. But this game made me go 'wtf ohshit!' The atmosphere is just perfect.

[Fenn]

Pffff hahahaha. I bet you listen to nickelback fenn.

Coming from the guy in the nerd thread telling everyone to stop being elitists.

And actually I do. I have about 5 of their songs on my Ipod.

[jubeh]

Called it

[Fenn]

Called it

Implying that's a bad thing.

[Hayashida]

There is no emoticon to accurately describe my facial expression right now

[Evil_Cake]

[Hayashida]

Close but not quite.

[Bacon_Barbarian]

D&D. My imagimination (spelt wrong on purpose) has been harnessed.

[Superdooperphailmachine]

D&D has taken around 90% of my free time over the past 2-3 years.

[ClockHand]

If 2 ga-jillion people say any of those things, and a proportionately fewer number say otherwise, the consensus is that those statements are true. This has nothing to do with your subjective opinion.

What subjective opinion? If the consensus says that Twilight is the best book ever wrote, then they are right? fuck no! that's why when we develop judgments of something "good" vs "bad" is done over justifications and arguments, that in the case of video games, movies, books and others, have already points that delimit something good vs something bad.

And the world being round is a fact, a stone-cold fact. It's true whether 5 billion say it is or 0 people say it is. That can't change that the world is round. Wheras judgments like "Oblivion sucks" or "Twilight is awesome" are subjective statements.

I agree, those are subjective statements, but there is a difference between a subjective statement with an justified opinion. See again the points I gave about why Oblivion sucks.

I already explained this above. Fact =/= Opinion.

Argument = Justification = Opinion with relevance.
Again, you didn't read my points in why Oblivion suck, and if you want to keep fighting this, gave me a reason in why oblivion doesn't suck. You are discussing about "opinion with arguments =/= fact", while I have never said my opinion is a fact, I just said that oblivion was a bad game and gave my reasons to it, unless you gave me your reason's why Oblivion is not bad, then you are just digging a hole for yourself.

So the moral of the story is: make sure I clarify what Clock is arguing before I argue with him. Tbh it seemed like you and jubeh were fluctuating between the subjective and objective goodness of the game. I wasn't sure.

Moral of the story: read the beginning of the discussion, not the end.