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    999 Knights Member JJJorgie's Avatar
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    On the first: Her torso/upper body is extremely short. The breast are different sizes. The shoulder on the right is narrower than the other. The bulge on the hip doesn't make much sense. The tail is kinda stiff. Her neck angles inward on the left making it look really odd. The thighs are pretty straight lines, trying curving them some to match the rest of the body.

    First Headshot: The chin is much too pointy! The eyes should be the same height. The ear is connected too close to the eye. The bottom lip being flat looks kind weird, as well as the sharp point in the bottom of the top lip. The way the left side of the face angles out as it goes up making the head a strange strange; try straightening it up more. The houlders are VERY narrow.

    Second Headshot: The armpits should NOT be that high; nor should the cleavage. The eyes should be the same size in height and at the same height on the face. The nose looks strange with the hard angles on one side and curves on the other. The neck angles inward oddly on the left.
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    think i rember not wanting, maybe even promising to not make these sorts of empty posts...
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    First, would just like to point out this is the kind of post i was looking for, short simple, too the point whats wrong and not working. only thing i could ask for more is some expansion on a few things said that are vague or advice on how to fix certain problems.

    which makes a nice segue into the other thing i wanted to say. specifically a clarification on something you said, specifically what you said about the bottom lip looking weird by being flat, this is kind of vague and since that was actually an intentional design decision (well sort of looking at the inked lines compared to the original drawing i unintentionally changed and often borked up some of the lines in inking e.g the chin is meant to be pointed but the inked line for the right side of her chin is not in line with the original sketch which is likely causing to look so pointed.) i was just wondering what exactly you meant, why does it look weird?
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    Super Senior Member Demonfyre's Avatar
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    As far as the lip problem that JJ pointed out, I would argue it's because despite being a stylization it doesn't really make much anatomical sense. I struggle to relate to it as to what it is supposed to be representing. (If that makes any sense) The bottom of the lip however isn't the part that bugs me however, as it still somewhat represents what you are going for, it's the upper lip in this case that are what I feel need alteration. See the reference below;

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    http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tcWyoolHNu...pecial+3.4.png

    (If link/s don't work just google)

    You have completely avoided adding the cupids bow of the upper lip and it hasn't been described via shading. My issue with this is that the structure along with the philtral columns are actually rather important in human vocalization. Simple anatomy of the lips;

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    http://0.tqn.com/d/plasticsurgery/1/...malAnatomy.jpg

    Anyway, the only other thing that I saw worth mentioning is the nose. You have the wings of the nose actually dropping further down the face than the attachment point of the ball of the nose. On an actual human face the wings join to the face slightly above the ball's joining point. A nose reference in case that didn't make sense;

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    http://www.finetouchdermatology.com/...Nose-Job-2.jpg

    Apologies for the large images.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Demonfyre View Post
    Anyway, the only other thing that I saw worth mentioning is the nose. You have the wings of the nose actually dropping further down the face than the attachment point of the ball of the nose. On an actual human face the wings join to the face slightly above the ball's joining point. A nose reference in case that didn't make sense.
    ^This!! I was going to commented on this problem, but I couldn't find the words to describe it. Thanks, Demon!!

    And, as for the lips and pointy chin being weird, I meant that they look awkward. Honestly, she looks like she could kill someone with that chin. Rounding the chin just slightly and adding a slight curve to the lips would ake the overall picture look so much better and not so "amatuer-y" (remember that anime style still has anatomical correctness that should be followed, even if it's being simplified)
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    first thing first, as i mentioned before in the attempt at inking some of the lines were unintentionally changed which may be causing some of the problems (the chin and the angling out of the left side of the face) though a few are there in the original drawing (the ear and nose, though the nose wing issue is less prominent in the pencil drawing) so i'd actually like your take on the orignal drawing (i put a link earlier but it's kind of hidden)

    it's the bottom drawing, top was just me forgetting what the character's face is supposed to look like
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    also lazily slapped together overlay of the line art over the original drawing too
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    ok that said
    @Demonfyre
    the upper lip is again intentional, to make a long story short the character's design is supposed to be clearly but avoiding prominent femininity. the lips a perfect example of this, they are intentionally pronounced to provided more femaleness (for lack of a real word) but for example the bottom lip is meant to be slightly squarish (more rigid squarish shapes tend to be more masculine if i'm not mistaken) though it's still supposed still have some curvature (for some reason the inked drawing seems to lose some/alot of this and i can't figure why as the lines on that seem to line up perfectly) however whenever i drew a noticeable cupids bow it just looked too feminine to match the design idea so i basically lifted an idea form the art style of Kim Possible with how they do the upper lips on female characters, which looked good (to me at least) though i think i might have some ideas what i was doing that made the detailed cupids bow look so feminine before so i have an idea to try out next time.

    also thanks for the heads up on the nose thing, did not know that, though looking at older drawings i seemed to follow that guideline (well ish more so that the bottom of the wings tends to be just barely above/in line with the bottom of the ball from the front after looking at noses for a bit.) so i may have just botched it on this drawing.
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    I love the way you draw noses. But I think the farthest from us eye is smaller than the nearest. And not just in a foreshortened sense.

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