It's not really revenge more than a permanent detachment from society. But hey, you are free to disagree with me here and we can part ways.
Originally Posted by Kodos
I agree, I wasn't really saying that we should use emotional appeal to convict others. Usually judgement is done without emotional appeal.
Yes. And as thinking people it is our obligation to not let our emotions cloud our judgment.
We can rehabilitate thieves, drug addicts and maybe sex offenders. Murderers usually look for the thrill of murder and the sadism of killing someone in a cruel way. True, it can be classified as an addiction but why risk the many lives at stake if the therapy fails?
Which is why it is important our prison system work towards actually rehabilitating people, yes.
I'm feeling lazy. Here's wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#Rehabilitation Numbers are pretty low...
Citation, please. Please show me studies that indicate sincere attempts at rehabilitation for most criminals would have poor success rates in comparison to the current rate of recidivism in most nations. Thank you.
Since I am so kill crazy, okay! And let's call it Obamacare, seeing as it does state to pull the plug on grandpa or anyone else over age of over 65. It's perfect! :)
Sick and elderly people also cost a lot of money on society. Let's kill them too.
Not every Muslim believes in suicidal bombing and killing in the name of their God. The bombers from 9/11 just so happened to be Muslims. It would be silly to imprison every single Muslim we find. We can still, however, ensure that those select few Taliban are detained. It may require some prejudicial behavioral patterns, but it may save more than thousands of lives.
The vast majority of Americans perceive Muslims as a threat. By your argument America is now obligated to hunt down and either kill or imprison for life every single Muslim.
But, wait! Every single person can potentially rape and kill! Welp, obviously the only option left is to kill and/or imprison every single human being.
On a side note if we caught them, would you rehabilitate these men? They are pretty sure there is a God out there that wants them to kill infidels. With what you are saying, you say that we can cure them.
Very debatable, I must say. That really is up to whoever is judging the person and whatever the circumstance is and what prison that hosts the felon. If the prison is a real second Aushwitz, sure why not? Life in prison. If it's not, then death penalty. I don't consider criminals really people than dangerous threats to society.
Please show me studies that show this. Also tell me how murdering them is better than imprisoning them for life. What does murdering a murderer do besides answer one obscenity with another?
In the case of inheriting something, yes this is true. In the case of someone not having anything else to lose, maybe not.
Not every murder is premeditated, and not every premeditated murderer murders again.
I'll admit, Texas is not the brightest bulb on the U.S. and the U.S. is not the best model of society to look at either. But there are other countries out there that have a high crime rate. What about Africa? That's a pretty high crime rate there too. Some implement the death penalty and have a low crime rate, some are like the U.S. Some even don't have a high crime rate anyway.
Yeah! This is why America and Texas in particular have the lowest rate of crime in the world. Oh, wait, they don't, and Texas, the state that murders the most prisoners, has one of the highest crime rates in the nation. Ooops!
Cite this, please.
Too bad every single piece of data available, without exception, shows that death penalties do not in any way contribute towards improving the crime rates.
What do you suggest we do with murderes? Kill them? No... that would be cruel to the people who kill others cruelly!
Too bad, also, that nations with rehabilitation oriented prison systems tend to have lower crime rates and recidivism rates than nations like America where our prisons are just glorified slave labor camps. Oops!
LOL STRAW-MANNING!! :D
Your right. When a car is bad, when I mean bad I mean doesn't work and when the mechanic says "Impound it," it should be immediately destroyed. Why bother trying to repair it? And, yes, a weekly therapy session is totally what I - and only I- am suggesting when I say that criminals should be rehabilitated - you're absolutely amazing PWhit!
On a serious note, I didn't mean to exaggerate that criminals are massaged, I call rehab and therapy the same thing sometimes. Perhaps I was not very clear.