I don't understand why you don't, though. You have problems in your art which could easily be fixed if you sat down and practiced, and looked at various photos of humans studying facial structure, bone structure, movement, hands, legs, feet, etc. If you said this to a professional artist who's been doing studies and practicing his whole life, he'd laugh at you. Again, you do not know what you're doing until you actually sit down and look at it.
Originally Posted by eltoroguaco
?? Who are you to judge how someone uses this ref and if or if not its an artistic way? If this guy is practicing dynamic poses with clothed people, and interesting atmospheres, good for him for actually practicing. This is the best way to practice, apart from having a live model. I understand if he's just shittily drawing/tracing this and saying it's his own, but that's not what any of us are talking about so I'm not sure the point in bringing it up.
But there are so many that pick a picture on google and draw straight from it! Lets say if one were to draw a girl in a black dress. He google it and find a picture of a girl with red hair sitting on her knee in a black dress and scars in her face. He use it as a ref and draws the exact same girl in the exact same dress with the exact same pose. That is NOT the artistic way of using refs!
THEN WHY DONT YOU USE A REFERENCE?
If you are to use a ref, use it to see how the anatomy, objects , surroundings and cloths look like, and respond to physics.
As for me, I spend 2 years drawing Dragons. At first, I didn't use refs at all, but later realized my anatomy was wrong so I needed some.
Lol but you never actually sit down and make a study off of these. I don't see any sketches of your surroundings. You can't just memorize these things. You have to actually sit down and look at them, take pictures and draw in your sketch book. If you were totally serious about being able to draw a dragon, you would go far in your studies. You would look up a ton of references of reptiles, or if you like, go to a zoo. Or if you're hardcore, catch a reptile with your teeth and lay its body on your desk as you sketch it. You would understand that dogs =/= dragons and you may even go as far as trying to compare reptiles and mammals. You would study up on scales as well and the texture, so that your dragons will look more believable. You'd also maybe go back to understanding how lighting and shading works because dragon art tends to have dramatic, dark lighting. You would also figure out the size of the traditional dragon compared to a human. And if you're still having troubles with scales and texture, you'd fill up a few pages of just practicing being able to draw scales. And if you're still having problems with the proportions of a dragon, maybe you're having trouble with proportions in general, so you go back to basic proportions and maybe study up on some loomis and look for techniques.
I then looked up at some pictures and practised on some body parts for then to close it and draw what I imagined. Later I got other things to help me. I have dragon statues on my desk and I looked at my dogs to see some animal anatomy. I also often look out the window to see weather, trees and skies and I look at moving surroundings from my car. So yes, I use reference, but I only look on it til I remember it and draw from my memory and not from the picture.
Don't tell me you studied dragons. You didn't. You barely tried. You looked at a few pictures and bought a cheap statue and said K i'm ready
For everyone else, here's a way to learn from a study. Watch the whole thing
You don't understand the point of a reference and I don't think you understand that no art is original. If you think tracing is the same as sketching a pose from a photograph, please turn in your artist badge.
I don't nag it, I just don't like copying. On arts that is done like that in the past, like Mona lisa, it's meant to be that exact person or place, so then ofc refs is required and they pose to be painted. In all, the poser agrees to be painted. I think that copying a reference you find on the internet, especially if it's of a person, is as bad as stealing the picture. as the person on the photo or the owner of the original picture have not agreed on you drawing it. However if you only use the anatomy or the base of the objects or surroundings, you do not copy the art and therefore make it more original and own as well as not stealing something you do not own the rights of. No matter what you say, I will only use references to see the base and anatomy unless it's a person I'm about to draw and got the rights to draw them. Though even then, I'll change the pose and clothing (as for the draw an mt member thread).