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apples13
06-12-2011, 12:50 AM
art trade with f-wd
second sketch layer
attempting 1-2 more layers of refining

http://i.imgur.com/O4Ug7.jpg

OH god this is going to take forever
the face is not even 70% done :*(

http://i.imgur.com/blP4s.jpg

http://i.imgur.com/K7Y7t.jpg

Mr_D
06-12-2011, 09:52 AM
Very nice, don't really have anything to say :D well, maybe the mouth can be a bit higher, lol, I'm not even sure xD Nice job

apples13
06-12-2011, 02:17 PM
i will see if it needs to be changed in the next layer of refining . thanks

NWAP
06-13-2011, 12:06 PM
@A@...........you're my new favorite artist!!!!! pls post more soon! PLS!

apples13
06-13-2011, 11:25 PM
I am not some pro, i am just an amateur artist trying to get better this hobby.
I won you over too easily, so i don't deserve this credit.
I will post the next layer of refining when i am done with it

CypressDahlia
06-14-2011, 08:45 AM
Before you go on, I think you should check the proportions just a tiny bit. The leg in the background seems to be slightly longer than the one in the foreground, esp. in the shin area.

apples13
06-14-2011, 02:25 PM
*edit yeah you are right i moved the foot up a little and it should be fine now

NWAP
06-16-2011, 05:02 AM
I am not some pro, i am just an amateur artist trying to get better this hobby.
I won you over too easily, so i don't deserve this credit.
I will post the next layer of refining when i am done with it
O-o um...I never said all THAT. I'm in love with your style and the potential I see here.A good sketch is a good sketch, you're always going to have something to work on.

johan
06-16-2011, 07:00 AM
i agree with nwap, this is awesome :D

Hell_Baron
06-16-2011, 11:22 AM
Not bad! not bad at all!

apples13
06-16-2011, 05:49 PM
thanks i will update when i finish this or maybe when i finish line art

Rio
06-16-2011, 07:57 PM
It's got a lot of potential. I'm looking forward to seeing you tighten up the lines and add more detail. C:

Hamachi
06-16-2011, 10:35 PM
That sketchy style... those inky lines! They're sooo Rembrandt! :D

apples13
06-18-2011, 02:51 PM
That sketchy style... those inky lines! They're sooo Rembrandt! :D

I am not trying to be that sketchy intentionally, I just can't get my idea down any other way effectively

apples13
06-26-2011, 10:26 PM
updated

CypressDahlia
06-26-2011, 10:52 PM
Lookin good, dude. Very clean lines. Though I'd say the mouth is a bit small.

ram
06-26-2011, 11:21 PM
i think i like the rough sketch better... you shouldn't have removed the lines in the eyes and her accessory in the hair..

apples13
06-27-2011, 01:01 AM
i think i like the rough sketch better... you shouldn't have removed the lines in the eyes and her accessory in the hair..

oh that stuff is still there i just hid them i will reupload it with it. also small mouths for the win :D going to take a while before the face is done though
check page 1 for update

apples13
08-11-2011, 12:59 AM
check first page for finished mami

Sylux
08-11-2011, 01:12 AM
The only issue I have with it is the torso (the way the form curves into its shape) is slightly (oh, god, ever so very slightly!) wide. That's just my layman's critique. Other than that, it's fantastic.

apples13
08-11-2011, 01:31 AM
The only issue I have with it is the torso (the way the form curves into its shape) is slightly (oh, god, ever so very slightly!) wide. That's just my layman's critique. Other than that, it's fantastic.

lol you lost me anyways i re updated with some changes with the background

Sylux
08-11-2011, 11:07 AM
Ooh! Very appealing backdrop!

apples13
08-11-2011, 08:08 PM
Ooh! Very appealing backdrop!
thanks :O

Sylux
08-11-2011, 08:31 PM
I love the way the colours seep into each other and pop out at a guy, but leave a great impression. It's fantastic!

tagYURIT
08-14-2011, 09:20 AM
nice boobs. .

tagYURIT
08-14-2011, 09:22 AM
very cool sketchin style. .when im sketchin with pen. .everythin gets dirty that i need to transfer it to another paper to see the real drawing. .

Leannah
09-07-2011, 08:40 PM
Nice-looking girl, I like the initial sketch better tho

toast
09-07-2011, 09:40 PM
very cool, but you don't update enough :/

apples13
02-25-2012, 08:13 PM
http://i.imgur.com/Y4AaM.jpg

working on something you might have seen in the gb

Rubisko
02-26-2012, 04:59 AM
Hi,

I took a look at the piece with the sitting girl, and I noticed a few things I hope you'll be happy to see.

I d-loaded your pic and marked up a few things to make the crit easier to follow, I hope you don't mind.

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o608/jenbe753/K7Y7tcrit.jpg

I'll explain my notations as I go;

i. The thing is the pose really, and actually this is a hard one. There is really two interpretations of a pose like this, the first one is that she is relaxing, sitting on her heels. The second one is that she's crouching, which is a more dynamic and unbalanced pose. Her right leg, the marked one, is crouching, but her left leg is relaxing. For the rest of this crit I'm going to assume that she is supposed to be relaxing on her heels.

ii. This is not about the arm as much as it is about the space between her leg, torso and arm. If she is supposed to be resting her elbow on the leg it is soon about to slip of and she'll fall backwards and to her left. To avoid this the line of balance for her head+torso and arm should be aligned with the line of balance for the whole body. I realize now that I didn't sketch the line, but you should still be able to see what I mean by looking at the triangles I drew under her arm in B.

iii. The shoulders and breasts are foreshortened a bit strangely. Look at the red lines in B. The red vertical line to her left is longer than the one on her right. I know you know why this is wrong, but stuff like this always happens when you work on something hours on end. Do you flip the canvas as you work? It helps a lot, I do it like every ten minutes when I paint and draw digitally.

iv. What is she grabbing with her hand?

v. Awesome renderin', but it detracts from her face. Still, it's awesome, just awesome...

Alright, so there's three (four) more things I haven't covered yet. The B part of the img I use there's kind of a redline going on, only that it's green. I only used it to pinpoint the errors I knew was in the pose, But you don't need to use it, unless you want to.

Second, why didn't you paint the top of her hat? I know you can do it splendidly, I mean you drew everything else so well. There's no excuse for not drawing the whole thing when you draw digitally, there's not like there's a limit to the space on the canvas right :)

Third, you render very well, but the overall shadowing is a bit, forgive me, random. Unless you really know what you are doing, use only one lightsource, especially when it comes to cartoons, manga, anime and so on (because the forms are so simplistic it's hard to get a 3d effect with more than one source)

And the fourth: I hope you didn't find the crit to harsh. The crit is extensive because I feel like you have the potential to get what I tried to say and use it to improve, so I'll hope this will be useful to you :)

apples13
02-26-2012, 03:08 PM
Hi,

I took a look at the piece with the sitting girl, and I noticed a few things I hope you'll be happy to see.

I d-loaded your pic and marked up a few things to make the crit easier to follow, I hope you don't mind.

http://i1150.photobucket.com/albums/o608/jenbe753/K7Y7tcrit.jpg

I'll explain my notations as I go;

i. The thing is the pose really, and actually this is a hard one. There is really two interpretations of a pose like this, the first one is that she is relaxing, sitting on her heels. The second one is that she's crouching, which is a more dynamic and unbalanced pose. Her right leg, the marked one, is crouching, but her left leg is relaxing. For the rest of this crit I'm going to assume that she is supposed to be relaxing on her heels.

ii. This is not about the arm as much as it is about the space between her leg, torso and arm. If she is supposed to be resting her elbow on the leg it is soon about to slip of and she'll fall backwards and to her left. To avoid this the line of balance for her head+torso and arm should be aligned with the line of balance for the whole body. I realize now that I didn't sketch the line, but you should still be able to see what I mean by looking at the triangles I drew under her arm in B.

iii. The shoulders and breasts are foreshortened a bit strangely. Look at the red lines in B. The red vertical line to her left is longer than the one on her right. I know you know why this is wrong, but stuff like this always happens when you work on something hours on end. Do you flip the canvas as you work? It helps a lot, I do it like every ten minutes when I paint and draw digitally.

iv. What is she grabbing with her hand?

v. Awesome renderin', but it detracts from her face. Still, it's awesome, just awesome...

Alright, so there's three (four) more things I haven't covered yet. The B part of the img I use there's kind of a redline going on, only that it's green. I only used it to pinpoint the errors I knew was in the pose, But you don't need to use it, unless you want to.

Second, why didn't you paint the top of her hat? I know you can do it splendidly, I mean you drew everything else so well. There's no excuse for not drawing the whole thing when you draw digitally, there's not like there's a limit to the space on the canvas right :)

Third, you render very well, but the overall shadowing is a bit, forgive me, random. Unless you really know what you are doing, use only one lightsource, especially when it comes to cartoons, manga, anime and so on (because the forms are so simplistic it's hard to get a 3d effect with more than one source)

And the fourth: I hope you didn't find the crit to harsh. The crit is extensive because I feel like you have the potential to get what I tried to say and use it to improve, so I'll hope this will be useful to you :)


woah thats a lot. There are several things I agree with you and there are several things I believe is inaccurate in your critique. I agree that my shadowing is a bit random, that is something I am still working on. The position of the leg however is inaccurate but how you explained changes the pose too much. you can relax your leg with out putting your knee on the ground. The accessory is a part of the character(fan art) as well the face should be colored better but that is another thing with better shadowing. She is grabbing her knee with her hand. In any case Thanks for the crit I am not drawing like this for a long time and will be focusing on cell shading and soft cell shading for for the most part. This type of color takes way too long.

Rubisko
02-26-2012, 05:58 PM
Please don't go back to cell shading; you're way to good at this technique already, and I'm certain that a more realistic approach on coloring lineart will help you develop faster as an artist, so long as you mind the lightsource of c :P

Oh, and you're right about the kneeling pose! I didn't believe it at first, because it felt so unnatural when I tried to do it, but I discussed it with a friend and he disagreed. He pointed out that I most probably felt unnatural in any other kneeling pose than resting-on-the-knee because of my military training, where stability is key, and we tried out a few different ways to kneel. So I've learned a lot today, thank you :) We both agreed however, that the other leg needs to come down and form a slightly less than orthogonal angle, less than 90 degrees that is.

Complementary to this are a few minor anatomical/proportional errors. I can make a sketch and point them out to you if you like, but it will take an hour or so to do it, so I'll only do it if you'd like me to :) Also, it WON'T be the standard back to basic this-is-the-proportions-of-the-human-body kinda crit, but it will focus on how you can use basic geometry to calculate the right proportions in almost any pose. I saw your latest sketch, so I know you have no problems with proportions in a more regular pose :)

Anyway, keep up the good work!

apples13
02-26-2012, 07:48 PM
Please don't go back to cell shading; you're way to good at this technique already, and I'm certain that a more realistic approach on coloring lineart will help you develop faster as an artist, so long as you mind the lightsource of c :P

Oh, and you're right about the kneeling pose! I didn't believe it at first, because it felt so unnatural when I tried to do it, but I discussed it with a friend and he disagreed. He pointed out that I most probably felt unnatural in any other kneeling pose than resting-on-the-knee because of my military training, where stability is key, and we tried out a few different ways to kneel. So I've learned a lot today, thank you :) We both agreed however, that the other leg needs to come down and form a slightly less than orthogonal angle, less than 90 degrees that is.

Complementary to this are a few minor anatomical/proportional errors. I can make a sketch and point them out to you if you like, but it will take an hour or so to do it, so I'll only do it if you'd like me to :) Also, it WON'T be the standard back to basic this-is-the-proportions-of-the-human-body kinda crit, but it will focus on how you can use basic geometry to calculate the right proportions in almost any pose. I saw your latest sketch, so I know you have no problems with proportions in a more regular pose :)

Anyway, keep up the good work!

Thanks for the input. I understand what you mean. I actually realized this halfway during the drawing but fixing it at that time would have taken too long so I will just keep in mind next time. I think my new drawing is looking better so we will have to see how that ends up. I am still an amateur at 3d visualization and I want to get better, but it is not easy so I am just documenting the little things I learned over the years to trick my mind into understanding it better. good luck to you too on work you are doing.

Blue_Dragon
02-27-2012, 01:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/Y4AaM.jpg

working on something you might have seen in the gb

You've done an excellent job with her face, and I really like the stance. Her hair is also very pretty :3

A couple things I'm noticing: with the black lines, her thumb looks a little too thick--I know it's not fully inked yet, but that's the impression I get from the curve on her palm. Also, her right foot (the one in back) I think is turned out a bit too far. I don't think she could stand balanced that way. I think her legs *maybe* need to be a little farther apart, but I'm not certain on that. I'm also not sure, but I think her cap should be pulled up a little more on her head-it looks like it could slide off the back.

I love that style of hat, though :3 And the clothing choice helps to give your character personality. She's very well done :3

Hope this helps a bit! Looking nice :)

apples13
02-27-2012, 01:38 AM
You've done an excellent job with her face, and I really like the stance. Her hair is also very pretty :3

A couple things I'm noticing: with the black lines, her thumb looks a little too thick--I know it's not fully inked yet, but that's the impression I get from the curve on her palm. Also, her right foot (the one in back) I think is turned out a bit too far. I don't think she could stand balanced that way. I think her legs *maybe* need to be a little farther apart, but I'm not certain on that. I'm also not sure, but I think her cap should be pulled up a little more on her head-it looks like it could slide off the back.

I love that style of hat, though :3 And the clothing choice helps to give your character personality. She's very well done :3

Hope this helps a bit! Looking nice :)

Thanks I will keep those in mind. I have actually been changing quite a few things since I last posted it they should look better when I am done with the lineart.

apples13
03-14-2012, 10:10 PM
http://i.imgur.com/bNO4P.jpg
update on the design

CypressDahlia
03-14-2012, 10:33 PM
The legs you drew were missing some natural contours, so I added those, especially in the knee area. Considering how detailed the contours of the hands and wrist are, it would look visually unbalanced to have super stylized legs.

http://i.imgur.com/75HWr.jpg

I also tilted the front foot forward, since you said you wanted her to be balanced on the ball of her foot. Oh, and the heel on the back foot was too far out, so I brought it in.

apples13
03-14-2012, 10:57 PM
good point I need to fix that :S i still can't get the toe thing working right but I guess I will keep working on that

apples13
03-15-2012, 01:47 PM
http://i.imgur.com/RlmaA.jpg
how is it now?

CypressDahlia
03-15-2012, 02:16 PM
Bring that back heel in a little more and change the perspective on the strap on the front shoe, so that it's less curved, and you're set.

apples13
06-24-2012, 09:59 PM
been months need to update this drawing( been drawing other things)
http://i.imgur.com/ufzm1.jpg

Demonfyre
06-25-2012, 05:31 PM
Wow that look amazing :D

Midori-Midori
06-25-2012, 05:55 PM
I agree. ^
I really love the lineweight and the overall pose is cute. C:
My eyes can't see any anatomical mistakes so this is a great picture.

apples13
06-25-2012, 10:10 PM
Thanks the drawing came pretty far from the initial one

Gaff
06-26-2012, 09:51 AM
That's very impressive. I particularly like how delicate her hands are. The one thing I would say is that it might be worth making the lines just a little darker around her hair and face. At the moment, the lines seem darker and blacker around her body and it's drawing attention away from her features.

Other than that, my personal feeling is that her legs are slightly too slender for the rest of her, but I get the impression that's just the style you were going for.

apples13
06-26-2012, 05:07 PM
That's very impressive. I particularly like how delicate her hands are. The one thing I would say is that it might be worth making the lines just a little darker around her hair and face. At the moment, the lines seem darker and blacker around her body and it's drawing attention away from her features.

Other than that, my personal feeling is that her legs are slightly too slender for the rest of her, but I get the impression that's just the style you were going for.

I actually tried not to make the lines as dark, that was my mistake. I was intending to color it so darkening lines would not be something I want to do. I wanted to have her legs as one of her defining features, I like them slender but I can also see why someone would think they are too slender. I am not good enough to make it perfect haha. thanks for the comment, much appreciated.

apples13
12-11-2012, 03:12 AM
http://i.imgur.com/O49j8.jpg?1

Blue_Dragon
12-11-2012, 07:12 PM
Yay! An update from Apples! I love your art :3

I really like this character: her expression is priceless! One thing bugging me, though, is the material of her cape and coming out from her belt. Even if it's leather (which can be stiff,) as worn as it looks, I feel it should have just a little more movement. If you add a crease or two, to the open part of the cape, or turn the edges in just slightly, that may help the cape. The bottom part...I'm not good enough to pin point what I feel is wrong, but it doesn't feel...like leather. If that's what your going for.

This is the best example of the material I can come up with...it's not very good, so sorry for the crappy critique. I tried!

http://www.mabelmaedesigns.com/images/cape_1400-711922a2.jpg
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_BUw7yKR3VcU/S4AG3CrFinI/AAAAAAAAArw/xswtE1kk9tI/s400/leatherCAPE.jpg

At any rate, I love her expression, and her hair is awesome! I'm digging the eye patch too! That especially is well done :3

apples13
12-12-2012, 05:40 PM
Yeah... I am not that good at drawing cloth unfortunately.

apples13
03-06-2013, 02:12 AM
been trying to get back into drawing. first thing is first. finish old drawing.....
still not done WIP
http://i.imgur.com/DXNM81i.jpg?1

apples13
03-25-2013, 04:09 AM
http://i.imgur.com/vJGRSLq.jpg
anything I need to fix in terms of color?

doghateburger
03-25-2013, 04:52 AM
The colours look good so far but...is there gonna be any background? so far it just look like generic lighting which is good so far

apples13
03-26-2013, 02:24 AM
no thats just there for now... i need to still fix some of her shading and stuff though

TheVermillionFox
03-26-2013, 10:05 AM
I think this looks lovely, nothing to fix here in my opinion.

Gaff
03-26-2013, 11:54 AM
The way you've rendered the hair is lovely, but I feel that, because it's so light coloured, the fleshtone on her face and hands is overpowering it. That's probably just personal taste though - it seems fine, really. I like the textured effect on her skirt.

apples13
03-27-2013, 10:21 PM
perhaps we have different monitor colors?
I did make the skin slightly lighter, but not like pale

BunnyVoid
03-27-2013, 11:52 PM
i think the way you rendered hair is fantastic... it has lots of texture and nice lighting...
might need to add some more shading to give the face and the rest of the body a little more contour and match the hair's level of coloring

really nice arts :)
she is very pleasing to the eye
reminds of girls on magazines heheh :)

u should draw more :) i wanna see more characters in ur style :)

apples13
04-06-2013, 03:00 PM
i guess this is the final ?
http://i.imgur.com/tna3SlV.jpg

is this too simple?

Blue_Dragon
04-06-2013, 05:49 PM
This is very nice! I really like the texture of her skirt, and the matching hat and undershirt! I don't have any critiques right now, but I like that you keep posting and trying fix a single drawing before finishing! It's great for everyone to see the process :D

Sorry I'm not too helpful this time :/ But I love the final image! And something people forget about critiquing, is that it's not always pointing out what's wrong--pointing out the things that work is part of a critique, too! :) But yeah, I personally don't see anything that stands out as off. ;)

Gaff
04-07-2013, 03:38 PM
It maybe was just a monitor thing, I dunno. I like it with the darker blue in the background though, I think it makes the image much stronger.

Just out of curiosity, did you paint the hair and skirt with watercolour?

Joosh
04-07-2013, 03:42 PM
Have you worked on anything else other than this?

Its been a year since you started that piece.

apples13
04-07-2013, 08:39 PM
yes, but I have been mainly focused on my school work, so they are just sketches if anything

Joosh
04-08-2013, 07:32 PM
I'd rather see those lel

apples13
06-19-2014, 06:03 PM
http://i.imgur.com/sn9i810.jpg

Cloudy
06-23-2014, 04:07 AM
I like this one Apples! looking good :)