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ladyannette
04-11-2011, 08:24 PM
I shant waste your time by writing a long introduction that no one will read. Instaed I shall introduce to you what I wish to have corrected at this time.

Lady Annette (Self Portrait from Her Long-Ago Memories)

Pencil only
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/th_Image4.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/?action=view&current=Image4.jpg)

Inked
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/th_Image5.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/?action=view&current=Image5.jpg)
(Keep in mind, I'm not good with ink.)

Click to Enlarge. The real images are very big.
And being the naughty Victorian that she is, she's showing her ankle.

Mr_Liebe
04-11-2011, 08:31 PM
Nice inking, and the details look great.

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 08:41 PM
My inking SUCKS, who are you kidding? lol.

I apprciate the comment though. ^^ I'm a stickler for details. It'll be more detailed when I color it finally.

Mr_Liebe
04-11-2011, 08:45 PM
Eh, I like complementing people.

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 09:03 PM
I enjoy receiving complements. ^^

SuperKasey
04-11-2011, 09:16 PM
Looks pretty good, aaaaaannnnd I don't think your inking is as bad as you seem to think it is ;D

Keep an eye on those proportions! Right now her arms look quite a bit too long while her legs are far too short.

Mr_Liebe
04-11-2011, 09:18 PM
Listen to KBeauty, she's quite brilliant when it comes to this.

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 09:36 PM
Looks pretty good, aaaaaannnnd I don't think your inking is as bad as you seem to think it is ;D

Keep an eye on those proportions! Right now her arms look quite a bit too long while her legs are far too short.

That is the dress's fault. the padding in the dress design makes her shoulder's seem higher than they actually are and the placement of the corset where it is, makes her legs look short. (this is not a dress I would recogmend to girls with long arms.) If I hadn't've done the collar as a high collar and made it a more "U" shaped collar, it would show what I'm talking about.

I will admit, I should've given her longer legs and made it an underbust corset instead of an overbust.

SuperKasey
04-11-2011, 10:15 PM
Don't blame the dress. -You're- the artist.

Linz
04-11-2011, 10:25 PM
I have to agree with Kasey on this one. The right arm (Our right) seems a bit too long. What you're saying about the dress is correct, that style of dress does elongate the arm, but that is not the case. We can see where the shoulder is, I think the error is the placement of the puff sleeves AND the shoulder. Look at a picture of a similar dress. Is the girls arm unnaturally long? Kasey's crit is still valid, and I suggest you should maybe listen to her.

For my own crit of your drawing, I suggest for the corset instead of straight lines, use lines that work with the curves of the body. If you look at a corset, even one with lines, they are not poker straight. I really like the curled hair, you've drawn that quite well.

Anyway, I hope I helped/cleared things up a bit. And a word of advice would be to listen when artists give you critiques, and not reply with an explanation of why the error is the way it is. An error is an error, simple as that.

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 10:25 PM
I am not saying she's wrong, but it *does* look that way on me when I wear that dress. So I just kinda went with it. Maybe my spatial veiw is off. It has also been about a year since I've drawn a full body so I do need to refresh my anatomy.

The lines on the corset do need help BUT that is the result of me being lazy.

nisaren
04-11-2011, 10:26 PM
Looks pretty nice so far. I agree that the arms look a little long. I'm not sure if you've studied proportions much but a good rule to remember is that your hands should only reach halfway down the thigh. Even while accommodating for the volume of the clothes, her shoulders are wider than her hips. My preference would be for wider hips to emphasize her femininity. Keep up the nice work. :)

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 10:34 PM
I'll work on it. :) i didn't realize how badly I needed refreshing.

nisaren
04-11-2011, 10:51 PM
You said that it looked a certain way when you wear it. Were you using a photo of yourself when you drew this? Or were you posing in a mirror while drawing?

The reason I ask, is that a photo can capture angles and anatomy in a way that looks rather distorted. Having a solid sense of anatomy before using photo ref can help you solve those inconsistencies and problems in a way that more easily translates to the viewer. Anatomy and understanding it is a lifelong pursuit.

At any rate, don't take our criticism personally. I remember the first time I posted here. It was hard to hear criticism when it already took a lot of courage to just put it up for others to look at. Even if you disagree, there's usually some merit in what everyone says. We all want to see each other improve.

ladyannette
04-11-2011, 11:12 PM
I used my full length mirror.

*this isn't my first learn-to-draw forum. and on the other one, the people were alot meaner.*

EDIT: I figured it out! The reason that arm looks so long is I forgot to add the cuff and ribbon on that side. when I went back and re added in the guides over the ink to figure it out, I saw what I had done.

Matt
04-13-2011, 03:08 PM
Agh, I hate getting to threads after everyone else has already critiqued. Now I can't add anything. /excusebecauseIcan'tcritiqueanyway

New stuff?

ladyannette
04-13-2011, 05:48 PM
Actually, yes.

I haven't inked it yet and her hand for some reason looks like an octopus.....

I'm also gonna rate this one "Filthy Victorian".

Another stripey corset!
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/th_Image7.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/?action=view&current=Image7.jpg)
Still gonna make you click on it...

Zoe
04-13-2011, 11:45 PM
I think what's making her body look off it the shape of her torso. You drew her hips as much smaller than her shoulder, while most women's hips are approximately the same size as her shoulders. And while wearing a victorian corset, her waist would be sinched.
For example, this ancient photo of me in while i had a victorian style corset on:
http://i282.photobucket.com/albums/kk241/Xxoie/corset2-1.png

Corsets also push your boobs into a different shape.

Also, I agree, those curls are awesome! And I love the outfit, though I don't think a a proper victorian woman would be wearing her undergarments over her shirt. ;]

I really love the pose in the second one! The only problem I really have with it is that her corset it on backwards. xD

But yeah, overall very nice stuff! I like your poses and your attention to detail! And your outfits designs are really great too. ;]

ladyannette
04-14-2011, 12:26 AM
The "backwards" corset is actually a drawing of one I'm getting. My Kenzy picked it out.

Aand no one said Annette was a proper Victorian. ^^

Yeah, I really need to keep practicing. It been a while since I've worn a corset (mine broke ages ago) so I don't really remember what it all looks like.

Also: Inked version!
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/th_Image8.jpg (http://s186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/?action=view&current=Image8.jpg)

Blue_Dragon
04-14-2011, 03:23 AM
Hey-o, I have a question. I'm clicking on the pictures, and they are still teeny tiny, so I can't really see them very well. Just a question, once on your image sight, what do I need to click to make it the picture bigger? I sometimes like to leave critiques (especially since I need critiques, too.) I just can't see them well enough to give any input. Please let me know what I'm doing wrong--everyone else seems to be able to view them fine on your site :\

Nerdonoff
04-14-2011, 06:31 AM
Hey-o, I have a question. I'm clicking on the pictures, and they are still teeny tiny, so I can't really see them very well. Just a question, once on your image sight, what do I need to click to make it the picture bigger? I sometimes like to leave critiques (especially since I need critiques, too.) I just can't see them well enough to give any input. Please let me know what I'm doing wrong--everyone else seems to be able to view them fine on your site :\

you have to click again after you have clicked show....

I suggest you, ladyannette, to put the img code on your posts, it's better, that way everybody can see what you draw :)
and I like how you do it :) the body proportions are really good, the clothes too but there are some anatomy problems...the neck is kinda thick, the forearm too and the feet look kinda big, not feminine. Also you need to work on your inking, the hands...
I know I am pretty bad at commenting, but I try my best T_T

Matt
04-14-2011, 08:51 AM
I think we should be able to see her other eye from that angle, if only just a little bit of it. I like your linework, though.

ladyannette
04-14-2011, 01:26 PM
I just fail at hands and ink....:ascii_cryingwave:

I do appriciate the comments because it has been a very long time since I've drawn anything more than a head.

Psy
04-14-2011, 09:10 PM
blue you gotta click the pic on there again.

the boob farthest away from us is bigger than the one closest to us. the chest leading to them is to straight and needs some curve. you should be able to see the other shoulder from this angle. the eye closest to the floor should be visible and should run paralel to it.
the way she is laying the corset is vearing off to her right (out right as well) instead of going straight down her middle like it should and it continues into her bloomers. We can see a bit to much of the left legs upper thigh than i think we should be able to.
The lower legs look like they have changed angle from her whole body. she is laying at a 15 degree angle (im guessing on that) and the lower legs are prety much going straight (0 degrees?) instead of going farther back into the picture at the same angle and being a bit smaller like they should be. Allso the left legs foot shouldnt be flat like that on the floor because its not natural and if you did it itd give you a leg cramp.
It looks good so far and anything else i can see is stylistic. Id like to point out tho that you have lace and ribon on her stockings and even in her hair but its not on the corset and you might have a reason for that but i just thought it should have it if its an outfit.

ladyannette
06-03-2011, 05:14 PM
Well, I'm back.

But i don't exactly have Manga right now.... I have Yuu!

I kinda lost the file so here's a link to facebook where it's uploaded *being lazy too*.

http://www.facebook.com/karikari.the.sweetest#!/photo.php?fbid=189711777745540&set=a.189711471078904.61583.100001201578638&type=1&theater

i'm gonna revise it and see if I can fix it.

Scarletlight
06-05-2011, 04:17 PM
Went to critique your work only to find that ' This content is currently unavailable '
Perhaps I cant view it because Im not a friend or something. But if thats not the case and its just broken, im just letting you know incase you want to fix it.

ladyannette
06-13-2011, 04:45 PM
hmmm...... Well, this is the revision.


http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/Top-10.jpg

ladyannette
06-29-2011, 11:01 PM
Well since no one loves meee..... DOUBLE POST.

But with a purpose.
This is my part of an art trade between Angelic Disgrace42 and I on deviantART.

Ink:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/Top-1-1.jpg

And the Colored-in-GIMP-without-a-tablet version:
http://i186.photobucket.com/albums/x182/ladyteyamme/angelicdisgrace1.png

I feel something is still off with her wings even though i cross-referenced and erased like mad.

Leannah
09-08-2011, 06:06 PM
Her shoulders are too broad, I'm not a big fan of your last pic. However your portrait is AWESOME