PDA

View Full Version : LGBTQ! Why so many anti gay slurs? NSFW/K



Pages : [1] 2 3

Psy
12-01-2010, 05:34 PM
L e s b i a n
G a y
Bisexual
Transgenderd
Questioning
Thread
Welcome to the other side of the Rainbow!
http://i229.photobucket.com/albums/ee116/cherdnell/Boarders/755e.jpg
Post your thoughts opinions and questions concerning LGBTQ people and culture here.
Disclaimer: Please note if your opinion is wrong the gay boys will make fun of your: Clothes, Hair, Makeup, Fashion sense, Overall Anatomy. The Lesbians will make fun of your: Carpentary skills, Tool Shed, Lawn Mower, Lack of alcohol resistance, Masculinity. Results may very in severity from none to full blown bitch fit!

http://i184.photobucket.com/albums/x205/xinhkero/LGBT_Proud_Sig.png
When did you know or suspect you were "LGBT"? Share your story and experience's with us please.
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Anyone ever notice how many anti gay statements are made by people playing video games? You hear everything from "fag" to "dick sucker" being yelled out.
I watch some people play online through twitch and even YouTube and found a few favorites to watch. I've started to notice that most of them continuously use these statements when angry to express disgust at losing, to another player, or to lord their greatness over other players/the game. So now I'm not sure I want to keep watching any of them.

"It's just a word". Just about everyone says that! That's not the point!
If you called some one a "mother fucker" 9/10 people would get mad about it even if you said it was just what people say and that's not what it actually means. You can call some one a "bitch" and mean it very lighthearted and funny. Not everyone will know that though. It doesn't change the original meaning just because that's not how you meant it.

"Everyone says shit like that." WRONG! I try and refrain from saying things that I know are under most circumstances insults. It's not me trying to be super nice or overly PC. I just want what I say to have a clear meaning to it. I don't want people to sit there and second guess what I say.

"It was said in anger". So gay people make you angry?
"Just because I said fag doesn't mean I think they are gay." So what are you calling them then because "fag" is something that is associated with gays.
"Fag is like an asshole or someone you don't like or think is a piece of shit." I . . . . Wow.
"It doesn't mean anything." So why say it then? You can't think of something else scathingly witty to insult them with?

Words are MEANT to have power and meaning! Otherwise there would be no point in them! The words faggot and gay are used to describe people as undesirable and disgusting. Bitch and cunt are often used in the same manner. so society is saying that the two most disgusting things to possibly be is a woman or some one of the LGBTQ community. its not just guys who say it either. there are plenty of women out there saying these things and I have to wonder if they realize how much intolerance they are spreading.

Would it be accepted if I were to go around saying that things I think are boring and lame are "straight"? No it wouldn't because its placing all other sexualities above the straight one and saying it is inferior in some way. Of course I of all people would see that this is a problem but I don't know how there are so many people out there that don't or even encourage this hate by actively using derogatory statements.
Is it to much to ask for people to step back and evaluate what they are ACTUALLY saying and putting out there? Why try tearing everyone else down? Are these people so unhappy that they feel no one else deserves a chance at happiness and a little bit of peace?

This isint to say that ALL gamers and people make these remarks and choices but a great enough portion have for me to take notice.
------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
If there are any articles/situations you want brought to light and put here in the OP or thread title pm them to me or post them up and ask for them to be put in here (I will credit you for the find aswell <3). I say this since im Gay i probably wont hear much about whats happening on say the Bi or Lesbian side of the fight.

ClockHand
12-01-2010, 05:35 PM
OH LOL

I finally understood what LGBT means XD.

Outcast
12-01-2010, 05:37 PM
I didn&#039;t know this thread was coming, I feel uncomfortable around you now.

Psy
12-01-2010, 05:40 PM
thats probably because im a sexy beast and you cant resist me. Dont deny your feelings for me Outcast. This is a safe place.;)

Outcast
12-01-2010, 05:42 PM
Oh I&#039;m sorry but we barely know eachother.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-01-2010, 06:32 PM
That&#039;s what the Q is for... On this place that I&#039;m banned from, they had an A for Asexuals.

zizi
12-01-2010, 09:37 PM
Where&#039;s that? Queer youth?

Celestial-Fox
12-01-2010, 10:23 PM
That&#039;s what the Q is for... On this place that I&#039;m banned from, they had an A for Asexuals.

Ahaha, banhammered on that site? What&#039;d you do this time?

Max
12-01-2010, 10:44 PM
"Don&#039;t give to a well-known, trusted organization that you know will deliver on their promises! Give to some lesser known donation group that may or may not pocket the money!"

No disrespect, but i&#039;d rather donate money to a group I can trust.

Psy
12-02-2010, 03:18 AM
I dont take it as disrespect at all. Its your choice to donate to whomever you please. I just dont think some of what they do is right so i wouldnt and wont donate my money to them. I would donate clothing and such tho.

zizi
12-02-2010, 06:46 AM
"Don&#039;t give to a well-known, trusted organization that you know will deliver on their promises!"

Except to gay people.

They will feed the poor, help the sick and homeless... unless you&#039;re a homeless homo. In which case you can go die in the gutter, sinner.

"Give to some lesser known donation group that may or may not pocket the money!"

This bit is rediculous. Salvation Army are not the only or even the most well known and trusted organisation. Why not give to Amnesty International? Or, you know, some other cause that doesn&#039;t discriminate among the people they help?

Blue_Dragon
12-02-2010, 09:34 AM
Illinois Senate just passed Civil Union! Quin to sign it I think tomorrow! Yay!

zizi
12-02-2010, 09:37 AM
Illinois Senate just passed Civil Union! Quin to sign it I think tomorrow! Yay!



YEAH

Slurpee
12-06-2010, 05:01 PM
8D
I recently found out that they allowed LGBTQ books at my school library.
+1 Points for me. I&#039;m considering starting a GSA, but my parents are completly against that. I&#039;m just afraid they&#039;re going to kick me out, and It&#039;s winter soo...
>_> I&#039;ll wait until it gets warmer.

Blue_Dragon
12-07-2010, 01:41 AM
If you get kicked out, we got a spare futon.

Just kidding, you don&#039;t want to live in this state, it sucks.

Slurpee
12-07-2010, 02:59 PM
what state do you live in? Iowa or sumthin?

Blue_Dragon
12-07-2010, 10:32 PM
So close! Illinois.

Don&#039;t be fooled by Chicago, Illinois sucks royally.

Celestial-Fox
12-12-2010, 03:43 AM
My friends started a GSA at my school, and it&#039;s grown a bit in the year that it&#039;s been around.

Slurpee
12-19-2010, 09:31 AM
DADT WAS REPEALED........
Omgawd I cried >_> I really did. My brother was wondering while I was crying next to the computer screen ....
http://www.exgaywatch.com/wp/2010/12/u-s-senate-passes-dadt-repeal-military-to-allow-openly-gay-soldiers/

Bacon_Barbarian
01-01-2011, 06:11 PM
Ahaha, banhammered on that site? What&#039;d you do this time?

No. Different site. GITP. Though I am currently banned from the old MT...

zizi
01-03-2011, 03:06 PM
>| As this is now apparently where I have been RUDELY RELOCATED, I shall just set up camp here.

Delphinus
01-04-2011, 05:54 AM
DADT WAS REPEALED........
Holy shit, America is acting like a modern democracy! I guess that means they can go and play with the big boys now...

zizi
01-04-2011, 06:41 AM
Hardly. Joy, we now get to murder and spill our rainbow blood and openly for a country that doesn't recognise us as people enough to even marry those we love.

Also: this is me coming out as bigender (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bigender); sometimes I'm a boy called Oscar, mostly I'm a girl called Emily.

Devillan
01-04-2011, 01:02 PM
I personally don't care about a person's sexual orientation...as long as I can get along with him/her its cool

zizi
01-04-2011, 06:46 PM
I think, honestly, a lot of people in the liberalish Western & Australian world feel like this. Not a majority, but enough that change and progress isn't out of the question. However, just because lots of people feel this way doesn't mean we're equal. We're not. Many of those people don't think we should be able to marry or have equal rights- they just don't actively detest us.

Blue_Dragon
01-04-2011, 08:41 PM
Apathy's another big problem. Some people because they don't care either way, don't vote either way. This is why those people must be encouraged to vote for the rights of others. I saw this quote one time, I don't remember where or who said it, but it goes like this:

""First they came for the Communists, but I was not a Communist so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Socialists and the Trade Unionists, but I was neither, so I did not speak out.
Then they came for the Jews, but I was not a Jew so I did not speak out.
And when they came for me, there was no one left to speak out for me."

This is how I feel on the matter, so regardless of a person's sexuality, it's in their best interest to stop tyranny where ever they find it. Unfortunately, there are too few who think this way in the states right now.

Kodos
01-05-2011, 07:45 PM
African Americans are still second class citizens who are often used for slave labor, imprisoned unjustly, and relegated to menial tasks in society. During Hurricane Katrina police forces organized what can only be called hunting parties and went on rampages killing African Americans for sport.

That's African Americans. There's nothing in the Bible explicitly saying they should die, and they have decades of supposed legal equality with Caucasian Americans.

Anyone who thinks they will live to see the day when America grants equal rights to homosexuals and/or other people who defy the conventional idea of gender binaries is insane. Women and African-Americans are still treated like shit - what hope do you possibly have?

Not to say we shouldn't try, though. I'm just saying that I'm a pessimist. America is a barbaric and backwards nation of uncivilized primitives. Just take one look at our prison system and tell me we deserve to be mentioned in even the same sentence as civilized peoples.

Blue_Dragon
01-11-2011, 02:08 AM
Well, I think something new needs to be posted here: some food for thought. Marc discovered it and had me read it, so I'm putting it here. It's nice to see some positive stuff said on the marriage issue. Also is a nice reminder of the purpose of marriage in the past, and where it should be heading in the future.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2011/01/06/AR2011010604911.html


Edit: the title of the article is misleading...it sounds like it's gonna be negative, but it's actually not.

Hejin
01-20-2011, 08:17 PM
Gay, gay, gay! I'm gay! Well, if you mean by gay you mean happy. I've always preferred the term homosexual as opposed to gay or lesbian, but that's just me.

Hey, if you like men and you're a man, or if you like women and you're a woman, I could care less. Just don't hit on me if you're gay. That I won't appreciate. But the Bible or any other text shouldn't be allowed to tell you what you can or can't be and what is right or wrong. People have their own brains, and we have the right to decide what we'll do with our lives. Being homosexual hurts no one, so I see absolutely no problem with it.

Some people, born again Christians included, just need to get over themselves already. :/

Bacon_Barbarian
01-20-2011, 08:24 PM
African Americans are still second class citizens who are often used for slave labor, imprisoned unjustly, and relegated to menial tasks in society. During Hurricane Katrina police forces organized what can only be called hunting parties and went on rampages killing African Americans for sport.

That's African Americans. There's nothing in the Bible explicitly saying they should die, and they have decades of supposed legal equality with Caucasian Americans.

Anyone who thinks they will live to see the day when America grants equal rights to homosexuals and/or other people who defy the conventional idea of gender binaries is insane. Women and African-Americans are still treated like shit - what hope do you possibly have?

Not to say we shouldn't try, though. I'm just saying that I'm a pessimist. America is a barbaric and backwards nation of uncivilized primitives. Just take one look at our prison system and tell me we deserve to be mentioned in even the same sentence as civilized peoples.

Not everyone's prejudice Kodos.

Kodos
01-21-2011, 05:44 AM
Are you denying that, in America, there is widespread and de facto institutionalized prejudice against African Americans? Are you really prepared to make this argument?

Or are you talking about homosexuals? In which case you're even more crazy if you think there is not widespread and institutional discrimination against them. Like I said about the DADT thing: Congratulations, gays, you can now fight and die for a country that won't give you a thing it has already ruled is a basic human right.

Slurpee
01-24-2011, 05:41 PM
Yknow on a side note, this kid in class said he didnt like gay people just because the bible said so.
Then I thanked him, beacause he didnt use some stupid reason like
A) I JUST DONT LIKE THEM
B) ITS WRONG
C) CUZ I SAID SO
I mean when ya think about it, for most people I think its just religion. I used to think it was just pure inane hate.
Does this make any sense what I'm even getting at? >_>

Rio
01-24-2011, 07:16 PM
Because there's a valid reason why he doesn't like gays as compared to others who just say something lame like the examples you gave?

Makes sense to me!

Bacon_Barbarian
01-24-2011, 09:03 PM
Are you denying that, in America, there is widespread and de facto institutionalized prejudice against African Americans? Are you really prepared to make this argument?

Or are you talking about homosexuals? In which case you're even more crazy if you think there is not widespread and institutional discrimination against them. Like I said about the DADT thing: Congratulations, gays, you can now fight and die for a country that won't give you a thing it has already ruled is a basic human right.

No on both accounts. My sole point is that not everyone's a bigot. As for DADT, I agree with you. I'd have pushed marriage harder and DADT less. Obama got DADT repealed for mainly political reasons (I'm betting). I'm sure he thinks gays are equal, but it was a smart move to get it repealed politically. Get the LGBT crowd to come out for him in 2012... Im not sure where I'm going with this anymore.

angel_dreamer13
01-24-2011, 09:39 PM
I have friends who are gay, lesbian, bisexual, and transgender. I've labeled myself as asexual. I don't have any problem with people loving whoever they want, and fortunately, in my town most people seem to agree. a lot of people in my school are out as bisexuals and homosexuals and don't get treated any differently than the people who are labeled as 'straight'. I know from living in other towns before that not many places are that accepting, though.

M3S1H
01-27-2011, 06:08 AM
I can get seriously ignited in situations like this, but honestly, I don't care. If they want to live their lives like that, they should be able to. That's all there is to it. However, we live in a world where people go out of their OWN way to screw up others. It's quite sad, to be honest, but at the same time, I wonder how this will work out. Earth's really populated as it is - the entire world should go with the idea to bring down Earth's population before we eradicate ourselves. Well, whatever, bottom notch is that humans are retarded in ways I couldn't imagine, and are geniuses in the uttermost useless of things.

Kodos
01-27-2011, 07:17 AM
Earth is not overpopulated. Our resources are just terribly managed. The Earth can easily support 10 billion human beings - and probably significantly more than that. The problem is simply that nation-states are a terrible thing and between that and corruption there is a very poor mismanagement and unfair distribution of resources.

But the population, in and of itself, is not the problem.

M3S1H
01-27-2011, 10:43 AM
That may hold true, and I think what you said about the resources hits what I meant to say. Compared to the universe, Earth is nothing close to being over-populated. What is the exact definition of over-population? Is it when you cannot afford to distribute obtainings evenly at an advancing rate? As humans, we are naturally between primal instincts and greed. Thus, we can draw the conclusion that as our resources are, in fact, running out. Gas may be well out of our planet in 16 or less years. With the population we have now, our resources are decreasing at an unbelievable rate - are we not over-populated? We cannot afford to have our planet fall into such a state where our resources are completely gone, and frankly, we cannot keep up with our population's need for these natural resources and fuels that appear only once per billions of years. So we can draw the conclusion that we ARE over-populated, as our resources won't be able to fit our needs in just a decade or two.

Delphinus
01-27-2011, 01:26 PM
So we can draw the conclusion that we ARE over-populated, as our resources won't be able to fit our needs in just a decade or two.
You forget that we can produce crude oil using only plants, which are essentially infinite, and that the sun provides us with a nigh-infinite source of energy. Just because fossil fuels are running out, it doesn't mean that the planet is overpopulated.

Bacon_Barbarian
01-27-2011, 03:35 PM
Earth is not overpopulated. Our resources are just terribly managed. The Earth can easily support 10 billion human beings - and probably significantly more than that. The problem is simply that nation-states are a terrible thing and between that and corruption there is a very poor mismanagement and unfair distribution of resources.

But the population, in and of itself, is not the problem.

... What? No. I mean, yes, are resources aren't well managed. Even if you let people regulate themselves, we'd still have (similar) problems. And why would we have those problems?

Because there are too many people.

Delph: ... Ancient Plants. I cant just go out in my yard, throw a brick over a patch of grass, come back Sunday and have a puddle of Crude.

Delphinus
01-27-2011, 05:38 PM
Delph: ... Ancient Plants. I cant just go out in my yard, throw a brick over a patch of grass, come back Sunday and have a puddle of Crude.
I know that, you defecating drooling ape. There are machines that pressurise and break down plants in such a way that they eventually turn into crude oil - a sped-up version of the process that turned those ancient plants into oil in the first place. We can also extract oils from some plants as-is: rapeseed, olive, and sunflower oil are widely used in cooking, for example. How you don't know this is beyond me.

Blue_Dragon
01-27-2011, 11:18 PM
............................................

I think this thread just got waaaaaaay off topic.


*still off topic* Where's Psi been, anyway? He hasn't been around here much lately.

Also, back at M3S1H, just cause there are homosexual couples, doesn't mean the population's going down anyway. David Crosby donated sperm for Melissa Etheridge and her partner to have a kid, and men I assume could do the same thing (have an egg donar.) Homosexual couples are just as likely to want families just like heterosexual couples do--we're all human, afterall, and share a common desire to continue one's bloodline or whatever your reason for having a kid is.

I also, way back on page 3 or 4, someone said something about "I don't care as long as they don't hit on me." And as much as I realize it wasn't meant to be insulting, unfortunately it kind of is...I mean, I'd take it as a compliment if some chick thought I was so hot they wanted to hit on me. So long as it's not sexual harassment, what does it matter? Dudes cat call to women all the time, or on a lesser level say they're pretty or attractive, and generally (unless again, it's continuous harassment) it's not a big deal. So why should it matter if someone of the same sex does it? Take it as a compliment unless they keep it up and cross the line into sexual harassment. People are so uptight...

*I don't want to sound like I'm attacking the guy/girl who said that, it's just something that's been bugging me for a while, and I finally felt like commenting on it.

M3S1H
01-28-2011, 09:49 AM
Delph, I don't mean for this to be offensive, I actually sort of look up to you, but will the oil work the same way? A better placement of words is: Will it work in our current engines? I know of the different oils in plants and such, however what I meant to say is can we use it as a gas to propel our transportation engines? (I'm guessing it's a no, but I still have to wait for your response.)

Delphinus
01-28-2011, 01:11 PM
"There are machines that pressurise and break down plants in such a way that they eventually turn into crude oil - a sped-up version of the process that turned those ancient plants into oil in the first place."
Yes.

Bacon_Barbarian
01-28-2011, 03:55 PM
I know that, you defecating drooling ape.

Did I insult you? No.


There are machines that pressurise and break down plants in such a way that they eventually turn into crude oil - a sped-up version of the process that turned those ancient plants into oil in the first place. We can also extract oils from some plants as-is: rapeseed, olive, and sunflower oil are widely used in cooking, for example. How you don't know this is beyond me.

I know you know that. I know that we can etract oil for cooking and the other stuff, but my point was that it isn't really oil.

Delphinus
01-28-2011, 05:02 PM
Did I insult you? No.
So what? I felt like insulting you.


I know you know that. I know that we can etract oil for cooking and the other stuff, but my point was that it isn't really oil.
Yes it is.

Bacon_Barbarian
01-28-2011, 10:17 PM
Yes it is.

Not if this (http://www.icr.org/article/new-technology-makes-oil-fast/) is what you're talking about. Of course, you could be talking about something else/ If you would like to move this silly conversation to PM, we can.

Delphinus
01-29-2011, 09:51 PM
Not if this (http://www.icr.org/article/new-technology-makes-oil-fast/) is what you're talking about. Of course, you could be talking about something else/ If you would like to move this silly conversation to PM, we can.
I was referring to pyrolisis (http://openfarmtech.org/wiki/Pyrolysis_Oil_from_Biomass) oil (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis_oil), which yields just under half the energy of normal crude oil when burned, according to the first source. Btw, that Christian Science site is talking shit - pyrolysis oil forms in a different process to ordinary crude oil and so the relation between it and crude oil has nothing to do with their bullshit 'Young Earth' theory.

PWhit
01-29-2011, 10:39 PM
Well, now I know where I can go to ask how gay people operate every single day of their daily lives. Thanks.

And no, I didn't know this was coming.

Psy
01-29-2011, 11:07 PM
Ok keep yourselves in line. This is getting out of hand with the spamming. I have been MIA for ever now but that dies not mean you have a free pass to a spam thread in the GD. Keep it on topic and civil people thank you.

On a new note I was recently harassed on my way home from work the other night. As I walked down the street home passing infront of the local walmart a car drove by rolling down the windows and two men yelled out the window "FUCKING FAGGOT" I was baffled and it honestly took me a few seconds to register they were talking to me. There were like 7 other people out and no one even batted an eye or turned around in shock or disgust. Then they drove around again and repeated it. I don't know what pissed me off more but I don't know what I could have expected or should have from people I don't know. What would your responses been? From either side (the bystander or the victim)?

Bacon_Barbarian
01-30-2011, 10:15 AM
... Did you know the people?

Delphinus
01-30-2011, 12:05 PM
What would your responses been? From either side (the bystander or the victim)?
As a bystander I probably would've just ignored them - why would you put yourself out for someone you don't know or care about at risk of violence?
As the victim I would've drawn my trusty Beretta and gunned them down.

Blue_Dragon
01-30-2011, 06:13 PM
I'd have flipped them off or said something, cause I do the same thing when assholes shout racist shit--pisses me off, and if no one stands against it, then it'll encourage more hate (as evidenced in the dumbasses driving back around to do it again. Pathetic.) A similar thing happened to Marc and his ex-boyfriend down in Charleston. But the people didn't drive back around. So stupid.

angel_dreamer13
01-30-2011, 09:13 PM
I would have pounded them as a bystander or as a victim. homophobic people piss me off.

Slurpee
01-31-2011, 12:35 PM
=l People are just... sigh...
I asked this kid one day, who called my brother a faggot, I said" Does calling other people gay in a bad way make you feel any straighter"
Then he just called me a fatass. Some people just never learn >_>

On a side note, one of my friends on an online support group for transexuals said this:

Intersex burlesque in New Orleans: Onstage in only underpants, "I'M NOT A FREAK" on my torso, audience member yelled, "YOU'RE BEAUTIFUL!" ~

Made my day :)

Also, in a recent study, to further the transexual cause, scientists found there was a difference in transexuals brains.
Women who became men showed similar brains to men, and vice versa. Also they are thinking of not calling us as Gender Dysphoric but as Gender Incongruent. It's a step forward :)

Delphinus
01-31-2011, 01:01 PM
Also they are thinking of not calling us as Gender Dysphoric but as Gender Incongruent. It's a step forward :)
Um. Isn't that just political correctness?

Bacon_Barbarian
01-31-2011, 03:21 PM
=Also, in a recent study, to further the transexual cause, scientists found there was a difference in transexuals brains.
Women who became men showed similar brains to men, and vice versa. Also they are thinking of not calling us as Gender Dysphoric but as Gender Incongruent. It's a step forward :)
... That isn't going to change a homophobes mind. Out of context, it'll help them.

Slurpee
01-31-2011, 08:20 PM
Help how.. I don't understand. If they said that we should very similar brain patterns as our own percieved gender, how does that help the homophobes? Quite frankly I don't care about the homophobes, I care about whether what gender sign on my card will impede me from having a future job, thats why this research might help me get my rights.

M3S1H
02-01-2011, 04:09 AM
Wait...If they actually use plants to create crude oil, then won't our oxygen decrease? Well...I guess not so much with flowers, but yeah, if they go down to trees, and try to replace them, we're screwed...then again, they could resort to olives...skip this, if it fails it fails. And we seriously got off-topic here. Back on track:

Some person says, "I don't think gays/lesbians should be together, because it's bad...." What would YOU do?

Delphinus
02-01-2011, 04:54 AM
"Why do you think it's bad?"
Mind you, given my increasing cynicism about the value of any relationship, straight or otherwise, me saying I don't care about gay or lesbian relationships is kind of like me saying I don't care which flavour of ice-cream other people eat when I'm lactose-intolerant.

Bacon_Barbarian
02-01-2011, 08:30 AM
Help how.. I don't understand. If they said that we should very similar brain patterns as our own percieved gender, how does that help the homophobes? Quite frankly I don't care about the homophobes, I care about whether what gender sign on my card will impede me from having a future job, thats why this research might help me get my rights.

"Transgendered brains are different."

... ... That's great material for a homophobe. He can now say something is clinically wrong with you. *shrugs* As for your job? Females make more (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html). So... Yeah.

Delphinus
02-01-2011, 11:35 AM
That's great material for a homophobe. He can now say something is clinically wrong with you. *shrugs* As for your job? Females make more (http://www.time.com/time/business/article/0,8599,2015274,00.html). So... Yeah.

Here's the slightly deflating caveat: this reverse gender gap, as it's known, applies only to unmarried, childless women under 30 who live in cities.
Do you even read these articles before posting them?

Psy
02-22-2011, 09:47 PM
Under old management. I'm back and I want to know what you all think of the derogatory names that we as lgbt people are called? I naturally am offended by most of them but that's mostly because they are used as insults even if they are just words and could potentially be used in a joking or weirdly affectionate way. I do like "fairy" tho. Who doesn't want to be a fairy? Even if it is a negative comment on the way gays talk walk and just act I still kinda like it.

Blue_Dragon
02-25-2011, 11:57 AM
This is the first thing I'm responding to after a long holiday away from the computer (actually...it wasn't a holiday, I've been busy.)

Hm...I think it all depends on what terms, who's using it, and how it's used. It's kinda like the whole who can use "the N-word" and who can't. I mean, I obviously can't speak 100&#37; from experience (since I'm not really even bisexual), but I can draw comparisions between what I've heard and or experienced. For example, my cousins and I call each other "bitch" or "whore" or "slut" jokingly all the time. I mean, Becky texts me as though my name is "hooker." But if Joe-blow on the street called me any of those-and they are derogatory terms normally--I'd be pissed off. So, for that, it's the intention. And I sometimes call my boyfriend "gay" jokingly, while he calls me "gringo" occassionally, and he and I don't take offense. But, again, if someone said it and meant it and had vehement behind it, yeah, we'd be ticked. So my vote is it depends on who uses it and how.

But I'm also torn because if a word was specifically created to cause pain and insult, I don't condone it's use. I mean, words like "bitch" have a purpose--we just use them wrong. Same for "queer" and "gay." These terms should not be used in a derogatory way anyhow, we've just corrupted their meaning. But something like the N-word (which I'm not even going to type, cause it could open up a whole new can of worms and I just don't want to deal with it) was to my knowledge created soley as a derogatory term. Correct me if I'm wrong. So, if a word's sole purpose for existing is for insult, I would say it shouldn't be used.

Hope that make sense. If it doesn't, I can come back and clarify, or defend, or concede or whatever. Anyway, I wouldn't call lgbt people something like that anyway, since we shouldn't be catagorized by our sexuality. I don't go around calling my heterosexual friends "straights" (well, I use that term, but I use it in the hippie termalogy of "straight laced" people.) I might joke with Marc on occassion, and he me (says I'm boring since I don't experiment much,) but I'd never do it to actually insult him. That's my take on it :P

Delphinus
02-25-2011, 01:20 PM
But something like the N-word... was to my knowledge created soley as a derogatory term. Correct me if I'm wrong.
It's derived from the latin for black - nigrum, one of the forms of which is niger. See here. (http://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/niger) Originally the term was used in a neutral way, and to this day the facial features of black people are known as 'negroid' within anthropology, but it probably started to be construed as offensive because of the way it was used. For more information, see any media from the Great Depression.

Slurpee
02-25-2011, 07:56 PM
I hate the word faggot I really do. =l
Although I really don't have a problem with any other word. Is that wierd? >_>

Outcast
02-26-2011, 10:23 PM
I honestly couldn't care less. It's a word, big fucking woop. It's the ignorant jackasses themselves who annoy me not how they word their stupidity.

M3S1H
02-27-2011, 02:59 PM
"Defects. Abnormal. Screw-ups." These are the true thoughts of people that stand against being gay, lesbian, and bisexual. Are they really that retarded? A human is its own individual, and these people are trying to prevent that! I mean seriously, WTF? If someone is homosexual, why the fuck do these people need to go out of their own way to mess up the lives of possibly millions of people? It sickens me to actually think this is my species' work. Hmm, now that I look at it, this is basically prejudice. I mean look at racism - the law disapproves of it, yet the same people who make these laws are too dumbfounded to realize that BECAUSE racism is prejudice it is frowned upon. The very definition of prejudice is making a certain, usually negative, judgement based upon a certain feature or features of a person or people. So now let's look back - we can apply this to going against homosexuality. Now let's use our logic:

Racism = Form of prejudice = Why it is Unacceptable
Actions against homosexuality = Form of prejudice = Still acceptable?!

How can this be?! Are the people around the world this blind to recognize this? Unbelievable. I'm ashamed to call myself a human, or even just look at today's politics and governments. If this goes on, who knows what will happen when the next generation of politics arrives, and the generation after that? Is this what our world has come to?! You know what, screw it. I'm just going to go draw some more manga and wait until they realize that prejudice is wrong, and it runs in the retarded veins of our global governments.

Slurpee
02-27-2011, 07:57 PM
=l
This stuff just happens. But things are getting better.



(hopefully)

Kodos
02-28-2011, 10:30 PM
"Defects. Abnormal. Screw-ups." These are the true thoughts of people that stand against being gay, lesbian, and bisexual. Are they really that retarded? A human is its own individual, and these people are trying to prevent that! I mean seriously, WTF? If someone is homosexual, why the fuck do these people need to go out of their own way to mess up the lives of possibly millions of people?
Among other reasons there is this book called the Bible. You may or may not have heard of it.


It sickens me to actually think this is my species' work. Hmm, now that I look at it, this is basically prejudice. I mean look at racism - the law disapproves of it,
What country? If you think American law frowns on racism you're insane. Race based slavery never ended, we just got more clever about it. And don't forget that we are the biggest enablers of Israel and their policy of genocide against the Palestinians. And there's our own lovely history of genocide regarding the Native Americans and others.


yet the same people who make these laws are too dumbfounded to realize that BECAUSE racism is prejudice it is frowned upon. The very definition of prejudice is making a certain, usually negative, judgement based upon a certain feature or features of a person or people. So now let's look back - we can apply this to going against homosexuality. Now let's use our logic:

Racism = Form of prejudice = Why it is Unacceptable
Actions against homosexuality = Form of prejudice = Still acceptable?!

How can this be?! Are the people around the world this blind to recognize this?
To be fair, part of it stems from the belief that sexual orientation is a choice. "You can't help being black, but you can help being gay." Also the Bible is much clearer on homosexuality than it is on race. Also a lot of the people who perpetuate these homophobic laws and this culture of hatred are, themselves, closeted gays driven into semi-madness by their own denial and repression. It is not freak coincidence that so many top Republicans and top Nazis are/were closeted gays.


Unbelievable. I'm ashamed to call myself a human, or even just look at today's politics and governments. If this goes on, who knows what will happen when the next generation of politics arrives, and the generation after that? Is this what our world has come to?! You know what, screw it. I'm just going to go draw some more manga and wait until they realize that prejudice is wrong, and it runs in the retarded veins of our global governments.
If you want a picture of the future imagine a boot stamping on a human face, forever.

Ninja Edit: But not really. The real picture of the future is a lazily reaching across the aisle and being slapped away, forever.

violin
03-01-2011, 02:10 AM
I have the problem that some people think I'm gay - even some of my friends. And ofcourse very few ask about that. It's irritating. Even more irritating is a guy confessing in love in front of all your classmates. Try to prove you are not gay after that. Point is that I'm not gay but I've been in situations that people think I am and I'll agree that they act a bit different (not normal). And I can see a big change in their behaviour when they learn I'm not gay. I really don't understand what the difference is. I still probably have the same characteristics that made them think I'm gay so I'm the same person but they act different just by knowing I'm not gay.

Sylux
03-01-2011, 12:30 PM
They treat gays as 'special' (be it for better or for worse) -- because less people are gay as are heterosexual.

Psy
03-01-2011, 03:02 PM
Also a lot of the people who perpetuate these homophobic laws and this culture of hatred are, themselves, closeted gays driven into semi-madness by their own denial and repression. It is not freak coincidence that so many top Republicans and top Nazis are/were closeted gays.
This is so true it hurts my head. I still say that Hitler was a big homo.

The whole "gay characteristics" thing is somthing ive been on the fence about forever now. on one hand i dont think anyone thing or trait totally belongs to one cetain group of people and that you can say for sure who or what they are by physical appearences. On the other hand i will admit that allot of gays do tend to look like fairies (as in high cheek bones pointed faces small nose and very arched eyebrows). so i duno how to get people to stop thinking you are gay if they automaticly look at you and think "GAY". Ignore them and what they say on the matter because they are wrong and just being prejudice. Its probably not on purpose but its all the same.

Lucy
03-01-2011, 04:15 PM
Oh god guys I haven't talked to you in like years! I missed you guys, but more thread-relevantantly, I wanted to show you this.
http://img233.imageshack.us/img233/3342/img0215wn.jpg (http://img233.imageshack.us/i/img0215wn.jpg/)

Behold my secret stash of miraculous estrogen. I'm slowly becoming female, huzzahberries with extra cream!
The downside is that if my parents find out there will be big, big problems.

violin
03-01-2011, 07:29 PM
My advice is: Don't do that! Be whoever you are - don't try to change. And if you really want to, then you should wait until you are atleast 22-25. Yes - young people don't think as a grown up - they often make mistakes and wrong conclusions.

Outcast
03-01-2011, 07:53 PM
My advice is: Don't do that! Be whoever you are - don't try to change. And if you really want to, then you should wait until you are atleast 22-25. Yes - young people don't think as a grown up - they often make mistakes and wrong conclusions.

A stranger on the internet knows more about what a person is going through then the person themselves apparently.

violin
03-01-2011, 08:16 PM
Yes you are right - I have no idea what Lucy is going through.
Maybe you know him and as a friend you should give him the best advice. Or you're just another stranger commenting about another stranger's post.
Going back to the topic:
Is it a good idea to take medicine to force your body to change when you're still a kid? - I don't think so. I'm very sorry if it's disappointing to you or Lucy that I'm not supportive in this case but I can't encourage or inspire a kid to do that. Maybe someone else would do that.

Rio
03-01-2011, 08:28 PM
@ violin
Do you think it's because you're European? Europeans act differently than Americans who's all about being macho and manly - maybe that has something to do with being mistakenly classed as gay. Another factor is being nicely dressed. There's is misconception that if a guy dresses too well, he must be gay.

Outcast
03-01-2011, 09:21 PM
Yes you are right - I have no idea what Lucy is going through.
Maybe you know him and as a friend you should give him the best advice. Or you're just another stranger commenting about another stranger's post.
Going back to the topic:
Is it a good idea to take medicine to force your body to change when you're still a kid? - I don't think so. I'm very sorry if it's disappointing to you or Lucy that I'm not supportive in this case but I can't encourage or inspire a kid to do that. Maybe someone else would do that.

Actually, from my understanding, it's better the younger you are when you go through with it in addition some people can tell by the time they can talk.

violin
03-01-2011, 09:46 PM
@rio, I don't think so because this was my experience back home. I agree that if a guy is dressed too well they think he's gay - that's same everywhere I guess. I think it could be my behaviour. I dislike the idea of acting roughly or rude just to prove how manly I can be. It's funny how most people act manly but when it's time for action they look like scared girls and let me deal with the situation. Unlike most guys I'm not interested in sports at all. And for example when I'm on the street with a group of friends and a very sexy girl walks by us - I would never comment how sexy she is. Although I couldn't help but stare. Afterall if she doesn't want people to stare at her, she won't be dressed like that :p

ClockHand
03-01-2011, 09:59 PM
My advice is: Don't do that! Be whoever you are - don't try to change. And if you really want to, then you should wait until you are atleast 22-25. Yes - young people don't think as a grown up - they often make mistakes and wrong conclusions.

Your advice fail. You claim a person should be who he/she is, so changing and try to be someone else is bad, but they don't feel like how they look (they look like someone else), so they have to change to be how they feel.

As you see, your advice fail by it self. And waiting to 22-25 is not a good advice either, because Lucy know what she wants.

In what I can agree is if the person have a dissorder of personality or something like that. But lucy go (or went) to a psycologist and all that, so the problem of a mental dissorder is already taken in consideration (even so the feeling as other sex is classified as a dissorder, but that is other discussion for another moment).


Also you clearly show a problem with the reflection of your own sexuality. So please, don't try to talk about your experiense, because is obviously biased.

Psy
03-02-2011, 03:43 AM
@Lucy: YAY YOU CAME BACK!!! Is it bad if they find out because they dont apporove of you going through with any gender reassignment at all? Are the estrogen pills a prescription prescribed to you? if not will they negatively affect any further progress with your doctors later?
I could have sworn that you said once before that your mom was the one who helped you get the process going so to hear that she does not approve now is disheartening. Im glad you are still determined tho and are doing what you want. Welcome back girl and i hope everything (especially with the rents) works out right.

@Violin: Lucy is not like 13 so its fairly rude to refer to her as a child. She has been going through this process for a couple of years now so i think she knows what to expect and whats coming. SHe has been to psychologists that had to determine if what she feels and knows is not some faze and or a misundestanding. It is better as i remember lucy saying that you go through with the hormones and surgery while you are young before puberty can take effect and send you into the direction you dont wana go.

violin
03-02-2011, 09:21 AM
Ok fair enough... If my post is rude - please excuse me.

Kodos
03-02-2011, 02:48 PM
Good for you, Lucy. I hope thinks work out. :D
That said: Estrofem is a hilarious name. It's sounds like a parodic feminist superheroine or something. Or that would be Estrofemme, I suppose,but I digress.

As for the Hitler being gay thing, I dunno. I've never really read anything that made a compelling case for it. A good chunk of the other top Nazis, hell, even one of the heads of the SS (or was it the SA? I forget my pre-war Nazi history) were gay, though. And I'd honestly venture a guess that 60-80&#37; of top Republican officials in America are closeted homosexuals or bisexuals. I mean one Goon over at SA put it well when he pointed out the only shocking thing about a recent Republican sex scandal was the fact thathe was caught having an affair with a woman rather than another man.

violin
03-02-2011, 06:37 PM
There were some evidences that Alexander The Great was gay. But let's not go back to old greek history :)

Delphinus
03-02-2011, 06:39 PM
Probably unrelated. The Greeks didn't have any concept of 'gay' or 'straight' like we do.

violin
03-02-2011, 06:45 PM
Well how do you call it a male having a male lover?

Delphinus
03-02-2011, 06:58 PM
Most Greek men were what we'd call 'bi' nowadays. They didn't distinguish between sex with women and sex with men. Alexander having a male lover wasn't really unusual.

ClockHand
03-02-2011, 07:52 PM
For Greeks womans were less than mans, and mans were equals, so having sex with a man was complete normal.

Different cultures =/= Same conceptions of reality.

Lucy
03-02-2011, 08:43 PM
I don't know if Hitler was gay. Surely he'd be greatly reducing his relationship prospects by attempting to murder every suitable match for his own sexuality? I don't know. I can't remember too clearly, but wasn't there something about Hitler's skull being identified as a woman's?


In response to the above commotion:
Psy: DAMN RIGHT I CAME BACK! I missed your glorious fabulousness ♥
It's not good if my mother finds out because she's not supportive in the least. Not anymore, anyway; it turns out that she sent me to the doctor because she decided I was autistic instead (I still don't understand why she thought this), and that he'd tell me I was wrong. Five psychiatrists later, she realized I'm actually seriously transsexual and she's going to have to deal with it. She did deal with it, by kicking me out of the house for the better part of a year (this was my absence from MT) and disowning me. Lots of things have happened since then, and I'm back in, but it's like a tense silence. I'm moving out ASAP. Don't get me wrong, I love my mother but she's hugely transphobic and very upset at me for turning out so different than what she wanted. There really isn't much space for us to coexist.
I'll admit that these pills haven't been prescribed to me, because the gender clinic I was referred to do not have a license to treat people under the age of 21. Waiting until I was 21 would mean suffering a lot more testosterone damage I couldn't prevent in any other way than doing this now. Considering that my happiness has shot through the roof and all my suicidal tendencies have disappeared now that I've been made a bit more womanly by these hormones, I can't imagine it would harm the process (surely, if anything, it should confirm that this is right for me, shouldn't it?).

Violin - totally forgiven. I understand why you think about it the way you do, and I think it's good that you're warning me, because there are people out there who would benefit from just stopping and having a good hard think about what they truly need before diving headlong into irreversible, life-changing treatments. I don't think anyone should rush headlong into this, and I assure you that I spent years considering this before I started acting upon it, and only did eventually decide to go through with this because the issue is so severe in my case that I've often attempted suicide because of it (luckily, I'm fairly awful at destroying myself. I'm glad none of my attempts were successful). Your concern is not unwarranted, but in my case this is something that I have to do.
You didn't exactly know my age (I think) so I'm not going to take offence at that, but I'm a her, not a him :P I'm very glad you voiced your concerns though - it makes me cringe when I see discussion on trans forums about people who dove into it too fast and realized they only harmed themselves. Thankyou!♥

Ah Kodos, our glorious and oh-so-sexy mutant overlord, how I've missed your amazing wit. If I ever encounter the Westboro Baptist Church, you can count on me showing up in an Estrofemme costume and heroically delivering the cheesiest puns you could possibly conjure until they retreat.

ClockHand and Psy both, thanks for helping me clear up my position to our chum Violin ♥

Page stretching post much? I ramble like hell! Bed time for me, before I get carried away. Sorry for the TL;DR! Much love! ♥

Kodos
03-02-2011, 09:17 PM
Lucy: Add me as a friend. I can't send you PM's otherwise.

And while homosexual activity was common in Greece, they still had taboos. It was generally expected only to be between older and younger men, not men of the same age. The Sacred Band of Thebes was ridiculed at first because they engaged in same-sex sex between men of the same age group. Then they curbstomped the rest of Greece and the jokes stopped.

violin
03-02-2011, 10:26 PM
@Lucy, Thank you for sharing your story. I hope everything goes well from now on.

Ozzaharwood
03-03-2011, 07:49 AM
Holy crap Lucy, you've been through hell. D:

Just think of it this way, if you can get through that you can get through anything. Just as Violin said, good luck and I'm crossing my fingers for you.

M3S1H
03-03-2011, 08:41 AM
This is my first time reading Lucy's story and all I can say is: wow. I read through your welcome wagon thread, (so sorry about the curb incident, even though Rio did it) and...wow, just..wow. Your own mom kicked you out of her house - that's crazy. If you want to change your sex, you should, and your parents should support you on that. I can't imagine what my life would be like if my parents didn't support me. Besides "wow", I guess I should also say that you're pretty brave and strong if you could pull off an entire year homeless with no family. I guess I should wish the best for you, and the best for our world's future in sexual laws.As a side note, I tried to "experiment" around with my parents to test out a popular, or at least well known theory: Stereotyping Taboo. Now I live in a strictly religious family, and in my religion itself it states that if someone is to change their own religion, nobody else has the right to say anything negative about it. So one day I told my parents that I thought about becoming an atheist. The theory was true - my mom looked at me like I was insane and my dad was pissed beyond belief. My parents told me that they will not give me their support on this whatsoever. That kind of angered me, but that proves something: parents will not support you on everything. They say they truly love you, and will support you on anything, but in this day's taboo discrimination, that is proven false. Lucy has my total support on this.

Kodos
03-05-2011, 07:59 AM
http://www.caller.com/news/2011/mar/01/gay-activist-gears-up-for-protest-against-flour/
TL;DR: Texas doesn't care about school policy until they ban a Gay-Straight Alliance group and then ban all other groups as a token show of not just singling out the gays.

Also, Lucy; check your PMs. The new forum is wretched and does not give you pop-ups. And it also does not distinguish between an outbox and a sentbox so I have no idea if people are reading or even receiving PMs I send them. Also, while I'm on the subject, people need to friend people when they PM them. I've gotten PM's from a handful of people and I am absolutely unable to reply because these people don't have me as a friend.

Hamdrank
03-11-2011, 12:58 AM
Yea I don't think I would go through the gender change. It's enigmatic on your future. My mom takes me back and forth from a psychologist for this too and I recently told both of them. Now they're trying to get me to go to Asian support groups for transgenders and bis. My mom hates it and she pretends as if she doesn't. So I could sync with your issues. Lucy you know you might deplore this in the end. Saying this trans to trans; might not like how you look and those thoughts may come back. Anyway I really need a camera cause I am tired of not showing how I look.

Lucy
03-12-2011, 05:58 AM
It's not an aesthetic thing, I'm sure about this, I'm tired of having the same conversation. Could people really please stop trying to convince me not to be who I am. Thankyou.

I hope everything goes well for you.

Hamdrank
03-12-2011, 08:33 AM
Ok didn't know wasn't really blantant to my eyes. So do any of you guys have other coming out stories? Never heard them cause I am sorta new but. My mom basicly just found a school girl outfit that I was hiding then the rest was magic.

Slurpee
03-12-2011, 11:12 AM
School Girl outfit. Whoa.
It's nice to see you again Lucy. We missed you here :) And congrats on those pills just be care, okay? >_<

I told my mother and ever since she's been going through my stuff. She found my binding stuff and some cologne too >_>
I'm really sick and tired lately of all the flak my mother's been telling me and avoiding my father. I'm starting to get convinced that my parents don't love me either. So I've decided to tell my father once my aunt and uncle end their month long visit and return to Africa. Since I've moved I had to tell my friends all over again. They told me that it all made sense the way I acted lol.
Basically shits about to hit the fan. The only reason I don't express myself is because I'm so afraid of being told that my parents don't love me anymore or being sent to Africa. I've gotten a therapist but she moved away. She tries to make me feel feminine. Even my fucking therapist is against me.

Lucy
03-12-2011, 08:48 PM
Wellp, it seems like our parents setting against us is part of the whole package of having gender issues. I can sort of see why though, when you're told you don't know your child's gender, I guess it's sort of like being told that you didn't know about one of the most elementary and most often obvious aspects of someone you raised from the cradle. Sucks big time on both ends =/


Ok didn't know wasn't really blantant to my eyes. So do any of you guys have other coming out stories? Never heard them cause I am sorta new but. My mom basicly just found a school girl outfit that I was hiding then the rest was magic.

Wow. That must have been a pretty shocking way for her to find out...
Sorry about the bitchiness of my other post. I get all touchy when we go into the whole topic of the decision to change gender, because everybody seems to kick up a fuss. I remember a 20 or so page argument against CypressDahlia on the old forums about whether I had the right to say what gender I was, and I get a fair deal of that kind of thing from devoted religious individuals and such IRL, so even the slightest mention makes me flip out and be like "OH SHIT NOT THIS AGAIN". Forgive me pretty please? ♥

Slurpee: Oh shit, can't have your therapist doing that. She's supposed to be helping you.... Have you tried requesting a referral to a different therapist from your doctor or something? If you tell them you don't agree with the way she's treating you, I'm sure they wouldn't want you seeing her. Alternatively, be a manly man and put up against her. Make it clear that you REFUSE to act like someone you're not. Be aggressive. Get angry. Argue, shout, bitch and fight when she tries to impose femininity on you. Show her you won't live like that. In addition to sort of shooting her down, it's a way manly thing to do, so it helps your case.



Oh, coming out stories? I've got a couple.

I basically lost it at my mother for all the things she'd say to me about what a "strapping young man" I apparently am and screamed my problems at her. Initially she was supportive as she thought it was a phase and I'd return from the therapist's with my mind changed. I didn't, and she promptly changed her tone (you've probably seen the posts of the fun stories about how she made me homeless because of this). I'm begrudgingly accepted by her now, as long as I don't "indulge my sick fetishes in her house". I make sure she doesn't know about my hormones or my, umm, more natural wardrobe (my best friend's mother does all my lady laundry, which is really nice of her. I owe a lot to her family for all the support).

I came out to my ex-girlfriend (now my bestest friend as she can't bring herself to be a lesbian, but we still love each other lots ♥) and her family by showing up to her house in a dress one day. They were surprisingly accepting, literally nobody thought it was weird or asked any questions, me and her mother exchanged make-up tips and everything was sunshine and rainbows. I seriously wish I could move in with them right now.

A lot of people at college have found out because I have uttered the following to them:
"I HAVE BOOBS NOW. GROPE ME."
Whoops, page stretch D:

Slurpee
03-13-2011, 03:17 PM
Lucy, you just made my day.
I HAVE BOOBS NOW. GROPE ME.
xD

Nice to hear from ya again :D

Lucy
03-13-2011, 05:59 PM
Nice to hear from you too, I hope everything gets better for you dude ♥

EDIT, BECAUSE BAD THINGS ARE ALWAYS OCCURRING SO THEY DON'T REALLY WARRANT DOUBLE POSTS: The people who are supposed to be dealing with me are officially not only blanking me, but my doctor as well. I hate to be crass but I have to say this is bullshit.

Hamdrank
03-16-2011, 04:29 PM
Nothing new happening, so just bumping with a LGBTQ event. Trying to buy new clothing but since the earthquake it's a little backed up. So on clothing since there's some trans on this site. Where do you buy yours? Lol don't say amazon.com either. Forgot I also bought my first women clothing at a store in person for the first time. No one seemed to care.

Outcast
03-16-2011, 06:18 PM
You could always say you're shopping for someone else.

Hamdrank
03-16-2011, 07:37 PM
I wouldn't do that lol. Don't really see why I should be paranoid.

edit: Actually I do but i'm apathetic.

Psy
03-16-2011, 07:38 PM
Why hide tho? If you got it flaunt it. I want to start wearing a bit of makeup but it might just make me more depressed that im not a girl and how much easier itd be if i was one (i just found out i got passed over for a promotion at work because im a guy (my boss likes to be the big man in charge of the lil women) and im not pretty like a girl either (i just happen to get mistaken for one all the time is all. pft.) and my style is not like a managers (cuz i actually work and get my shit done and help out everyone who needs help and thats so not managment style shame on me).

Guys can be way pretty.

<iframe title="YouTube video player" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/iEn5f1VTa1U" frameborder="0" allowfullscreen></iframe>

Hamdrank
03-16-2011, 07:51 PM
Lol that person reminds me of http://models.com/models/andrej-pejic I don't wear makeup when I crossdress though. Also I am Thai so apparently I don't look as good as the other Asian crossdresser, joking. Need a camera; I really want to make a Youtube account like this person.

Blue_Dragon
03-17-2011, 09:54 AM
I need to take lessons from that person--I suck at putting on makeup, and just end up looking like, I don't know what. It's a shame, really :( (that I suck)

Lucy
03-21-2011, 02:01 PM
So, mixed feelings about today.

I was in "guy mode," but this guy realised I have boobs. He decided that the appropriate course of action would be to grope me repeatedly in front of a lot of my best friends, and then grope all of the lady friends I was with to see if they were wearing bras (because apparently I steal them from my friends). We then proceeded to beat the shit out of him in a very un-ladylike manner.

On the bright side, my boobs are apparently getting to be a decent size. On the other hand, it got me minorly sexually assaulted. I'm not sure how I feel about this.

Slurpee
03-21-2011, 03:29 PM
=l Yeah I suggest taking some sort of martial arts or keeping a tazer. Once I had a pervert watch me in the bathroom when I was five at school. So every time I saw him, I pulled his pants down, so he'd know what it feels like.
Payback's a bitch ;D

Lucy
03-21-2011, 04:18 PM
=l Yeah I suggest taking some sort of martial arts or keeping a tazer. Once I had a pervert watch me in the bathroom when I was five at school. So every time I saw him, I pulled his pants down, so he'd know what it feels like.
Payback's a bitch ;DYAY FOR FORCED NUDITY ;D

Tasers and pepper spray being illegal to have on you in England, I will learn the dreaded way of the incensed bitch and train my pimp hand to deliver slaps that shake the earth. But it's not really a problem with payback or defence, I mean, me and my super quick-to-anger tomboy pal Charlie beat the ever-loving shit out of that boy. It's just an odd feeling, because I'm happy that someone noticed my lady features, not so much their reaction.

Psy
03-29-2011, 03:16 AM
Since I havent done much with this thread for a while.


The city is facing lawsuits from transgendered people over the hurdles they face in changing their sex on birth certificates. The Transgender Legal Defense and Education Fund is challenging the Health Department’s requirement for proof of a sex-reassignment procedure. “No laws have to be changed,” said Noah Lewis, an attorney for the group. “All the city has to do is treat transgender people like everyone else and go by the medical documents they provide.”

Read the full story from the NY Daily News (http://articles.nydailynews.com/2011-03-22/local/29193212_1_transgendered-psychiatric-evaluation-brooklyn-man).

Delphinus
03-29-2011, 06:33 PM
Wealthy, female, moderately attractive? Kill all the gays you like. (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-1350793/Ruby-Thomas-stamped-gay-man-death-serve-just-2-5-years.html)

Kodos
03-29-2011, 07:09 PM
Physically speaking, I'd rate her a bit higher than just moderately attractive. She's not a 10, or anything, but she's definitely attractive.

Anyway, the only surprising thing about that article is that it didn't happen in America.

I also love the "BAAAW DADDY ABUSED ME!" defense. Being a victim yourself does not excuse your behavior when you victimize other people. Everyone has shit in their lives, some more than others, and it is how we respond to shit that defines us as people. The murderer being abused as a child may explain her actions, but they do not in any way excuse them.

ClockHand
03-29-2011, 07:29 PM
She would be hot if she wouldn't look so orange (not racist or anything, but I hate orange people).

She is like the personification of the things I hate (someone empty, pretty, with money, who think is better than others, who try to excuse what she did and homophobic).

Ozzaharwood
03-29-2011, 08:24 PM
What the hell is that. She should go to jail for 1st degree murder, regardless of her past or her age. She killed a man, and should serve the time for it. Not only that, but the reason for it was because he was gay? I have a gay uncle and if he died the same way I'd like the person who killed him to be in jail for life.

Kodos
03-29-2011, 09:07 PM
People who kill for ideological rather than personal reasons - whatever their ideology may be - should always be sentenced harsher because they represent a greater threat to society at large.

Who is more likely to repeat a crime? A person who kills another person because they really hated them on a personal level, or a person who killed someone because they believe that person and all people like them are evil and/or inferior.

I'm against prison as America does it - the purpose of prison should not be to punish, but to rehabilitate criminals protect society from further predation by them - but the point still remains that crimes should be penalized based not on morality but on threat.

Psy
03-31-2011, 12:37 AM
That is just horrible.
What a fucked up world we live in. Im disgusted by people now. AND THAT BITCHES HAIR LOOKS FRIED BEYOND REPAIR!

Lucy
03-31-2011, 01:55 PM
As a UK resident, I concede that this proves our legal system needs some serious work. Seven years including her time in custody is WAY too short a sentence for first degree murder no matter how abused, drunk and phobic someone is. The fact that they joked about murder on Facebook afterwards suggests to me that they need some pretty intense rehabilitation.
This whole thing just seems way too lenient, especially when you consider that both this woman and her father murdered people (it mentions that he stabbed a taxi driver to death) but only got charged with manslaughter. Add in that they're very wealthy... what a coincidence.

Anyway, in regards to the people of New York taking legal action against the city, I totally support them. Forcing non-op transsexuals to live with an identity that doesn't fit them is wrong, and whether they win the case or not I hope this causes some reconsideration of the law regarding someone's control over their legal gender.

Blue_Dragon
04-01-2011, 05:06 AM
Yeah, so I just spent about 45 minutes writing my comments on the article Delph posted, and this fucking forum erased it all when I clicked "go advance" to change a font size.

I'm even more pissed now than when I first read the article.

I had what I thought was good input, but now I'm far too lazy and dismayed to re-do it, so suffice to say I think this horrible human being is neither pretty on the outside, nor inside where it matters. Fact is, murder is murder, and she got off with a slap on the wrist which is bullshit, but to be expected when people don't get serious about hate crimes--regardless who is committing the crime against whatever group they so choose. Alcohol can't be used as an excuse--if so, does that mean I can go get drunk and kill some kid cause they had the nerve to say something to me? It'd be about the same, since they ganged up on an old man who couldn't defend himself against younger, stronger people (really? They really even cared what some old guy said to them? Ignore him, if you don't agree! Same goes for anyone else you don't agree with, just ignore them. Wow, he maybe told you to be quiet or keep your opinion to yourself, who knows. Shit, people say things to me and if I don't agree, I just let it go most the time. Get over yourself.)

Anyway, I don't feel like putting anymore down. It'd just be a rehash of what others have said. I think the whole lot of them should have gotten close to life (if not life) in prison at the least. Do we really need a ticking time-bomb wandering the streets ready to explode again for the stupidest of reasons? I think not.

PWhit
04-02-2011, 03:41 PM
That article is evidence on how "An Eye for and eye makes the whole world blind," is bullshit. She was well aware that her intent was to harm or kill, so she should serve life in prison or be convicted with the death penalty. Instead she gets a time out.

Kodos
04-02-2011, 04:00 PM
That article is evidence on how "An Eye for and eye makes the whole world blind," is bullshit.
It's funny you say that, because it's totally untrue to the point of comedy. There is nothing in this article that suggests that revenge is a good substitute for justice. Just because justice has failed to be served here does not mean that the solution is a different type of injustice.


She was well aware that her intent was to harm or kill, so she should serve life in prison or be convicted with the death penalty. Instead she gets a time out.
Or, rather than being vindictive and thinking with our guts instead of our brains, we could try and rehabilitate her and, should that prove impossible, keep her imprisoned for life. Murdering her does not undo her murder.

PWhit
04-02-2011, 04:48 PM
It's funny you say that, because it's totally untrue to the point of comedy. There is nothing in this article that suggests that revenge is a good substitute for justice. Just because justice has failed to be served here does not mean that the solution is a different type of injustice.

Now that was hilarious. I fail to see how killing someone can be justified with letting a killer live. It isn't really revenge at all, it's a from of justice that had been used for a long time. Sure it doesn't suggest it, but it does make people think about it. Anyone can say "Oh I'm cured! I see God!" and kill again. Even if these people are rehab-ed that is an extremely slim chance and a lot of financing. Either life in prison or death penalty is necessary to keep them from being a potential or perceived threat. I personally favor death penalty because the chances are far too slim of rehabilitating someone.


Or, rather than being vindictive and thinking with our guts instead of our brains, we could try and rehabilitate her and, should that prove impossible, keep her imprisoned for life. Murdering her does not undo her murder.

But letting a murderer live and risk him/her re-appearance in public would create more mistakes that cannot be undone. True it does not undo a murder but the entire process was premeditated. Usually people value their lives far too much to commit a crime that costs their life (if caught, detained and sentenced). Theoretically, people would be intimidated by example and stop themselves. Besides, if the person murdered someone there really is no need to treat them like an equal at all. They killed a civilian out of their emotional or idealogical appeal and should face much more consequence than a weekly therapy session.

Kodos
04-02-2011, 05:39 PM
Now that was hilarious. I fail to see how killing someone can be justified with letting a killer live. It isn't really revenge at all, it's a from of justice that had been used for a long time.
In some societies it is considered justice to torture people. Killing people is not justice, it is revenge and, worse, it is barbarism.


Sure it doesn't suggest it, but it does make people think about it.
Yes. And as thinking people it is our obligation to not let our emotions cloud our judgment.


Anyone can say "Oh I'm cured! I see God!" and kill again.
Which is why it is important our prison system work towards actually rehabilitating people, yes.


Even if these people are rehab-ed that is an extremely slim chance
Citation, please. Please show me studies that indicate sincere attempts at rehabilitation for most criminals would have poor success rates in comparison to the current rate of recidivism in most nations. Thank you.


and a lot of financing.
Sick and elderly people also cost a lot of money on society. Let's kill them too.


Either life in prison or death penalty is necessary to keep them from being a potential or perceived threat.
The vast majority of Americans perceive Muslims as a threat. By your argument America is now obligated to hunt down and either kill or imprison for life every single Muslim.

But, wait! Every single person can potentially rape and kill! Welp, obviously the only option left is to kill and/or imprison every single human being.


I personally favor death penalty because the chances are far too slim of rehabilitating someone.
Please show me studies that show this. Also tell me how murdering them is better than imprisoning them for life. What does murdering a murderer do besides answer one obscenity with another?


But letting a murderer live and risk him/her re-appearance in public would create more mistakes that cannot be undone. True it does not undo a murder but the entire process was premeditated.
Not every murder is premeditated, and not every premeditated murderer murders again.


Usually people value their lives far too much to commit a crime that costs their life (if caught, detained and sentenced).
Yeah! This is why America and Texas in particular have the lowest rate of crime in the world. Oh, wait, they don't, and Texas, the state that murders the most prisoners, has one of the highest crime rates in the nation. Ooops!


Theoretically, people would be intimidated by example and stop themselves.
Too bad every single piece of data available, without exception, shows that death penalties do not in any way contribute towards improving the crime rates. Too bad, also, that nations with rehabilitation oriented prison systems tend to have lower crime rates and recidivism rates than nations like America where our prisons are just glorified slave labor camps. Oops!


Besides, if the person murdered someone there really is no need to treat them like an equal at all. They killed a civilian out of their emotional or idealogical appeal and should face much more consequence than a weekly therapy session.
Your right. When a car is bad it should be immediately destroyed. Why bother trying to repair it? And, yes, a weekly therapy session is totally what I - and others - am suggesting when I say that criminals should be rehabilitated - you're absolutely not strawmanning my position in any way, shape, or form.

PWhit
04-02-2011, 06:50 PM
In some societies it is considered justice to torture people. Killing people is not justice, it is revenge and, worse, it is barbarism.

It's not really revenge more than a permanent detachment from society. But hey, you are free to disagree with me here and we can part ways.


Yes. And as thinking people it is our obligation to not let our emotions cloud our judgment.

I agree, I wasn't really saying that we should use emotional appeal to convict others. Usually judgement is done without emotional appeal.


Which is why it is important our prison system work towards actually rehabilitating people, yes.

We can rehabilitate thieves, drug addicts and maybe sex offenders. Murderers usually look for the thrill of murder and the sadism of killing someone in a cruel way. True, it can be classified as an addiction but why risk the many lives at stake if the therapy fails?


Citation, please. Please show me studies that indicate sincere attempts at rehabilitation for most criminals would have poor success rates in comparison to the current rate of recidivism in most nations. Thank you.

I'm feeling lazy. Here's wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#Rehabilitation Numbers are pretty low...


Sick and elderly people also cost a lot of money on society. Let's kill them too.

Since I am so kill crazy, okay! And let's call it Obamacare, seeing as it does state to pull the plug on grandpa or anyone else over age of over 65. It's perfect! :)


The vast majority of Americans perceive Muslims as a threat. By your argument America is now obligated to hunt down and either kill or imprison for life every single Muslim.

But, wait! Every single person can potentially rape and kill! Welp, obviously the only option left is to kill and/or imprison every single human being.

Not every Muslim believes in suicidal bombing and killing in the name of their God. The bombers from 9/11 just so happened to be Muslims. It would be silly to imprison every single Muslim we find. We can still, however, ensure that those select few Taliban are detained. It may require some prejudicial behavioral patterns, but it may save more than thousands of lives.

On a side note if we caught them, would you rehabilitate these men? They are pretty sure there is a God out there that wants them to kill infidels. With what you are saying, you say that we can cure them.


Please show me studies that show this. Also tell me how murdering them is better than imprisoning them for life. What does murdering a murderer do besides answer one obscenity with another?

Very debatable, I must say. That really is up to whoever is judging the person and whatever the circumstance is and what prison that hosts the felon. If the prison is a real second Aushwitz, sure why not? Life in prison. If it's not, then death penalty. I don't consider criminals really people than dangerous threats to society.


Not every murder is premeditated, and not every premeditated murderer murders again.

In the case of inheriting something, yes this is true. In the case of someone not having anything else to lose, maybe not.


Yeah! This is why America and Texas in particular have the lowest rate of crime in the world. Oh, wait, they don't, and Texas, the state that murders the most prisoners, has one of the highest crime rates in the nation. Ooops!

I'll admit, Texas is not the brightest bulb on the U.S. and the U.S. is not the best model of society to look at either. But there are other countries out there that have a high crime rate. What about Africa? That's a pretty high crime rate there too. Some implement the death penalty and have a low crime rate, some are like the U.S. Some even don't have a high crime rate anyway.


Too bad every single piece of data available, without exception, shows that death penalties do not in any way contribute towards improving the crime rates.

Cite this, please.


Too bad, also, that nations with rehabilitation oriented prison systems tend to have lower crime rates and recidivism rates than nations like America where our prisons are just glorified slave labor camps. Oops!

What do you suggest we do with murderes? Kill them? No... that would be cruel to the people who kill others cruelly!


Your right. When a car is bad, when I mean bad I mean doesn't work and when the mechanic says "Impound it," it should be immediately destroyed. Why bother trying to repair it? And, yes, a weekly therapy session is totally what I - and only I- am suggesting when I say that criminals should be rehabilitated - you're absolutely amazing PWhit!

LOL STRAW-MANNING!! :D

On a serious note, I didn't mean to exaggerate that criminals are massaged, I call rehab and therapy the same thing sometimes. Perhaps I was not very clear.

Delphinus
04-02-2011, 07:25 PM
We can rehabilitate thieves, drug addicts and maybe sex offenders. Murderers usually look for the thrill of murder and the sadism of killing someone in a cruel way. True, it can be classified as an addiction but why risk the many lives at stake if the therapy fails?
^ Confusing serial killers (the 'thrill killer' subtype, at that) and murderers.


I don't consider criminals really people...
Huzzah! Demonising and dehumanising an entire group of people! That couldn't possibly have any bad consequences! See also: GENOCIDE.


What do you suggest we do with murderes? Kill them? No... that would be cruel to the people who kill others cruelly!
^ Confusing murderers for serial killers. Unaware that most serial killers have curable psychological problems.

Evil_Cake
04-02-2011, 07:30 PM
jeez puwitt

Blue_Dragon
04-02-2011, 07:37 PM
One thing I think about when considering punishment, is what's actually better? If you think about it, killing the perp. is just a way for them to get out of actually serving their time. She might have to think about it for a while before she's put to death, but in the end, she doesn't have the length of time needed to seriously contemplate how stupid she really was. I'll agree not everyone can be rehabilitated, but I think it's far more suitable for her to have to sit and think about what her actions got her in the long run. At least if she's in jail for several years, she's got time to think, and presumably she'd be part of prison programs where she's making things to give back to society (like pens and crap like that that's sold and the proceeds benefit the blind/disabled.) My cousin was offered the chance to make stuff when she was in prison, and she was able to save up for things like ciggs and snacks and crap like that. I guess my point is, if she's living, there's a chance for her to repay a little of what she did, whether she "repents" or not. I don't know if the UK has those programs or not...I'd assume so, but I don't know for sure.

This whole story reminded me of William Zantzinger (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Lonesome_Death_of_Hattie_Carroll).

PWhit
04-02-2011, 07:59 PM
You can all vilify me if you want, I'm saying most prisoners are monsters and threats to the people. Key word most. You are entitled to disagree with me.

ClockHand
04-02-2011, 10:07 PM
There is an old movie in here (Shile), which I don't recommend to no one, unless they have the sensitivity to watch a old film, that has a very interesting concept.

The movie is named "El Chacal de Nahueltoro", thisi s a movie based on actual events, made by a murder who kill'd a woman and his kids in the location of Nahueltoro, and by the brutality of his act was named The Jackal (The Jackal from Nahueltoro).

The movie focus about how this person who doesn't know the ceverity of his actiongs (he was a person with no education) is educated about it, and he is in some way forced to see the horrors of his actions. And just when he realised about it, he is killed as the real punishment for his actions.

Kodos
04-02-2011, 10:47 PM
It's not really revenge more than a permanent detachment from society.
You are saying that because someone killed someone else that we should make no attempt to rehabilitate them and instead immediately answer their killing with another killing. No mercy, no chance for redemption, just answering one murder with another because our gut reaction to an evil has made us angry and full of rage.

I struggle to think of a better example of revenge than this.


But hey, you are free to disagree with me here and we can part ways.
Except your views are poisonous and shared by most humans and have led to the murder of countless people. Also, on that note, you seem to forget how often states fuck up and execute people who are actually innocent.


I agree, I wasn't really saying that we should use emotional appeal to convict others. Usually judgement is done without emotional appeal.
As should sentencing. And if you think judgment is usually rendered without emotion you have no idea how a jury works. Trials don't determine innocence or guilt. They determine who is the most popular with the jury and who has the fanciest lawyer (which is a roundabout way of saying they determine who is the richest person).


We can rehabilitate thieves, drug addicts and maybe sex offenders.
Actually, a sex offender is more likely to repeat their crime than a murderer, but nothing else you've said so far has been supported by reality, so why start now I guess.


Murderers usually look for the thrill of murder and the sadism of killing someone in a cruel way.
This is so untrue that it would be funny were it not sad.


True, it can be classified as an addiction but why risk the many lives at stake if the therapy fails?
Just about any person is capable of murder and rape. Why risk the many lives at stake? Let's jut lock everyone in tiny cells at all times.


I'm feeling lazy. Here's wikipedia: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Prison#Rehabilitation Numbers are pretty low...
Did you even read the article you sent me?

When all three principles [of rehabilitation] are effectively applied, the impact on offending is a 26–32% reduction, compared to a 3–7% increase in offending found with imprisonment alone.
So rehabilitation is found, when properly applied, to reduce recidivism by 26-32 percent while imprisonment alone is found to actually increase the amount of repeat offenses. Oops!
Also what country are these statistics coming from? If it's America they are useless.


Since I am so kill crazy, okay! And let's call it Obamacare, seeing as it does state to pull the plug on grandpa or anyone else over age of over 65. It's perfect! :)
Oh my God you are absolutely fucking insane, aren't you?


Not every Muslim believes in suicidal bombing and killing in the name of their God.
Doesn't matter. You said 'perceived' or 'potential' threats. Most Americans perceive Muslims as threats, so they qualify. Most Muslims are also physically capable of murder or rape, and thus quality as potential threats. You also said 'necessary'. Ergo the only conclusion is that America has the obligation to hunt down and imprison or murder every Muslim on Earth. Don't worry though, we've already made good progress on that goal.


The bombers from 9/11 just so happened to be Muslims.
There were no bombs involved in the September 11th Attacks. Don't call it a bombing.


It would be silly to imprison every single Muslim we find. We can still, however, ensure that those select few Taliban are detained. It may require some prejudicial behavioral patterns, but it may save more than thousands of lives.
Statistically speaking African Americans seem to be more prone to crime in America. It may require some prejudice, but to save thousands of lives, let's just throw every single one in jail, eh? Again - don't worry, we've already basically done this.


On a side note if we caught them, would you rehabilitate these men?
Of course not, I don't have the training to properly try and rehabilitate someone.


They are pretty sure there is a God out there that wants them to kill infidels. With what you are saying, you say that we can cure them.
I never said we can cure them all. I said that we can cure some. If only one criminal per every million could be cured, that's still better rates of success than just murdering them all. The odds of rehabilitating any one person are, however slim, greater than zero. The odds of rehabilitating the corpse of a criminal are exactly zero.


Very debatable, I must say. That really is up to whoever is judging the person and whatever the circumstance is and what prison that hosts the felon. If the prison is a real second Aushwitz, sure why not?
Are - are you fucking seriously saying that criminals should be tortured in Auschwitz like conditions? Is - is this what you're saying? If so, congratulations, I think you are the most revolting human being I have ever had the displeasure of personally engaging in any sort of exchange with. Remember that I've spoken to people in Psalm who argued for slavery, genocide, and more, so congratulations, you've really done something amazing.


Life in prison. If it's not, then death penalty. I don't consider criminals really people than dangerous threats to society.
Oh, I see, so you are a total fucking monster. Congratulations, you're filth.


I'll admit, Texas is not the brightest bulb on the U.S. and the U.S. is not the best model of society to look at either. But there are other countries out there that have a high crime rate. What about Africa? That's a pretty high crime rate there too.
Africa is not a country you idiot.


Some implement the death penalty and have a low crime rate, some are like the U.S. Some even don't have a high crime rate anyway.
Please show me compelling evidence illustrating a potential causal link between the implementation of a death penalty and a drop in recidivism.
Also, martial law would help lower the crime rate too. I imagine North Korea has a low crime rate.


Cite this, please.
http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/studies-majority-leading-criminologists-find-death-penalty-does-not-deter-murder
Real quick took me a second on Google. I'd get you more or better ones, but first of all I don't think someone like you is remotely worth spending that much time on, and second I'm not feeling too well so even if I didn't have an absurdly low opinion of you, I'd be too tired to do it right now.


What do you suggest we do with murderes? Kill them? No... that would be cruel to the people who kill others cruelly!
You're right. Becoming cruel murderers in response to cruel murder is totally the rational and moral response.
"Whoever fights monsters should see to it that in the process he does not become a monster."


LOL STRAW-MANNING!! :D
Nice response.


You can all vilify me if you want, I'm saying most prisoners are monsters and threats to the people. Key word most. You are entitled to disagree with me.
I'm not vilifying you. Your odious and insane beliefs are doing that for you far better than I ever could or would.

Lucy
04-03-2011, 11:26 AM
This woman needed a FAR longer sentence than she received, but I think killing her is a step too far. If we allow ourselves the sort of rage which caused her to kill a man, then we lower ourselves to her level, and additionally any positive contribution she could have to society is prevented. Suppose she does it again? Then I'd consider killing her. As it stands, she is a wretched human being, but a human being nonetheless. As far as I understand it, the justice system is about the betterment of humanity. Killing someone who could be reformed into a positive influence does not sound like the betterment of humanity to me.

PS: This has veered dangerously off the LGBT thread's topic. Might I suggest starting a thread on ethics wherein we may fight to the death over our moralistic viewpoints?

PWhit
04-04-2011, 05:05 PM
Note: You may discuss something new, you do not need to read this. It is only a public note to Kodos.


As should sentencing. And if you think judgment is usually rendered without emotion you have no idea how a jury works. Trials don't determine innocence or guilt. They determine who is the most popular with the jury and who has the fanciest lawyer (which is a roundabout way of saying they determine who is the richest person).

You're so funny, you act like you're my Science and Contemporary Issues Teacher, when you clearly have no authority to claim my lack of intelligence, even though I have A's in those classes... Arrogant much?


Actually, a sex offender is more likely to repeat their crime than a murderer, but nothing else you've said so far has been supported by reality, so why start now I guess.

Well I'll throw up my arms and say "I give up!" just for you then!


This is so untrue that it would be funny were it not sad.

Except it is. I dunno, I'm surrounded by reports everyday that state otherwise, but hell! There's no point convincing you, why do I bother?


Just about any person is capable of murder and rape. Why risk the many lives at stake? Let's jut lock everyone in tiny cells at all times.

Murderers... not thieves, not rapists. Tried and convicted murderers. Perhaps I wasn't specific.


Also what country are these statistics coming from? If it's America they are useless.

It's okay to be skeptical about the American media, you're just overdoing it.


Oh my God you are absolutely fucking insane, aren't you?

I tend to make that impression on liberals sometimes.


Doesn't matter. You said 'perceived' or 'potential' threats. Most Americans perceive Muslims as threats, so they qualify. Most Muslims are also physically capable of murder or rape, and thus quality as potential threats. You also said 'necessary'. Ergo the only conclusion is that America has the obligation to hunt down and imprison or murder every Muslim on Earth. Don't worry though, we've already made good progress on that goal.

But DO THEY? No, they don't kill every Muslim on Earth.


There were no bombs involved in the September 11th Attacks. Don't call it a bombing.

Fine I'll call it: The voluntary deliberate flying into a building that creates an explosive magnitude... wait that's like saying a suicidal bombing isn't it? We're in a predicament here.


Statistically speaking African Americans seem to be more prone to crime in America. It may require some prejudice, but to save thousands of lives, let's just throw every single one in jail, eh? Again - don't worry, we've already basically done this.

You're missing a sentence that actually connects how it would even make any sense at all.


Of course not, I don't have the training to properly try and rehabilitate someone.

I'm not even going to state how literal to the text you are.


I never said we can cure them all. I said that we can cure some. If only one criminal per every million could be cured, that's still better rates of success than just murdering them all. The odds of rehabilitating any one person are, however slim, greater than zero.

Then perhaps I misread something. I thought it was implied that rates were higher. For that, I am sorry.


Are - are you fucking seriously saying that criminals should be tortured in Auschwitz like conditions?

Proven to work. If it doesn't put em' down. (Worded for your reading pleasure.)


If so, congratulations, I think you are the most revolting human being I have ever had the displeasure of personally engaging in any sort of exchange with.

Hey, I could say the same for you on some accounts. You mad bro?


Remember that I've spoken to people in Psalm who argued for slavery, genocide, and more, so congratulations, you've really done something amazing. ... Oh, I see, so you are a total fucking monster. Congratulations, you're filth.

Not the worst I've been called. And yeah I totally deserve it for what I wrote down, but do I regret it? Nope. Prisoners, mainly murderers, are monsters and dangerous people that do worse things that I care not to mention. Yes they do deserve death or death in life. If you would like to rehab them, I'm not stopping you. I just favor death penalty over it. Sorry your highness!


Africa is not a country you idiot.

Picking on the little errors, flaming, spewing out arrogance and calling me evil makes you the BIG MAN doesn't it?


Please show me compelling evidence illustrating a potential causal link between the implementation of a death penalty and a drop in recidivism.

Why should I bother? You'll call me a monster anyway even though we probably share commonalities on other issues. Plus, we both are driving this off-topic.


http://www.deathpenaltyinfo.org/studies-majority-leading-criminologists-find-death-penalty-does-not-deter-murder
Real quick took me a second on Google. I'd get you more or better ones, but first of all I don't think someone like you is remotely worth spending that much time on, and second I'm not feeling too well so even if I didn't have an absurdly low opinion of you, I'd be too tired to do it right now.

So you think because I defend an unpopular idea makes me less of a person than you are. You're dripping and screaming of arrogance, you know that?


I'm not vilifying you. Your odious and insane beliefs are doing that for you far better than I ever could or would.

This is literally the second time I had disagreed with you or a common belief and yet again, decide to engulf me with flaming like it's your job. Congratulations, you have monopolized general discussion somehow and shooed me off! You are free to reply, I highly doubt I will read it.

I am done driving this off topic more than it already is, this is accomplishing nothing for either of us.

Evil_Cake
04-04-2011, 09:40 PM
So you think because I defend an unpopular idea makes me less of a person than you are.u know u said concentration camps are useful right

ClockHand
04-04-2011, 09:49 PM
u know u said concentration camps are useful right

I think he is a hipster.

Arashi500
04-04-2011, 11:59 PM
I think he is a hipster.

A hipster hitler (http://hipsterhitler.com/).

Psy
04-06-2011, 02:47 AM
PWhit. . . I will agree that prison is not doing much to fix the crimes that the convicts have commited but nothing will ever do that. Not killing them. Not torturing them. Nothing. If you kill a killer you are just as bad as he is but worse because you are justifying it as "The right thing to do" when its not. When some one is killed it hurts an entire family so why would we double that by killing the killer. You say they are monsters because they kill rape and whatever without emotion yet you are saying that you could take their lives and it would make everything better. How does that not make you a monster yourself? Only a monster would think "This world would be better without this person. No one will miss them. They will thank me for doing this.".
I dont think you are a monster but i do think you are very misguided. Misguided like some of these killers and rapists are. Some people really just are not taught that certain things are bad. Its not their fault that they didnt know but that doesnt mean we shouldnt punish them in a way to correct their ways and teach them what they did was wrong.

You cant take back an action. Nothing you ever do will fix it but actions can be forgiven by others.


Allso (NOTE: This one is a bit of a double edged sword.)

A recent survey supposedly showing that Catholics are increasingly supportive of homosexual marriage was actually funded in part by a homosexual activist group.

Read full story at The Best gay News .com (http://bestgaynewsmagazine.com/2011/04/01/new-report-shows-catholics-will-support-gay-marriage.aspx)

Aether
04-06-2011, 06:46 PM
That hipster Hitler thing is amazing.


PWhit. . . I will agree that prison is not doing much to fix the crimes that the convicts have commited but nothing will ever do that.
Yeah. Just send them to a remote, "unoccupied" country to create a settlement.


If you kill a killer you are just as bad as he is but worse because you are justifying it as "The right thing to do" when its not.
I believe in an eye for an eye, personally.


When some one is killed it hurts an entire family so why would we double that by killing the killer.
Well, the murderer's family finding out hurts them too.


You say they are monsters because they kill rape and whatever without emotion yet you are saying that you could take their lives and it would make everything better.
Actually, a lot of crimes like this are crimes of passion and/or extreme emotion.


How does that not make you a monster yourself? Only a monster would think "This world would be better without this person. No one will miss them. They will thank me for doing this.".
Quite the contrary, I think people who want to keep scum like that alive give criminals a chance to harm others. But then again, people can change. However, this isn't how I think it should go down. Proper rehabilitation should be conducted instead of this half assed confining that the state does.


I dont think you are a monster but i do think you are very misguided. Misguided like some of these killers and rapists are.
Lol, a murderer or rapist isn't misguided. They choose to commit these deeds. Also, Pwhit isn't misguided like killers and rapists. Just stupid.


Some people really just are not taught that certain things are bad. Its not their fault that they didnt know but that doesnt mean we shouldnt punish them in a way to correct their ways and teach them what they did was wrong.
Lol, no. People know what they are doing. Why would they go to such lengths to hide what they did if they didn't know.


You cant take back an action. Nothing you ever do will fix it but actions can be forgiven by others.
But you are comparing him to criminals for a thought. Thoughts aren't incriminating, actions are.

By the way, sup Psy.

Hamdrank
04-06-2011, 08:48 PM
So I went crossdressing outside for the first time 5 minutes ago. Walked a mile at night, yay!

Lucy
04-07-2011, 04:21 AM
So I went crossdressing outside for the first time 5 minutes ago. Walked a mile at night, yay!

Congratulations and high fives! How does it feel being free? Similarly, I'm wearing a dress to college today because it's my birthday and I can't be bothered with being a guy today, I'll tell you all how it goes when I get back.

Hamdrank
04-07-2011, 08:18 AM
Congratulations and high fives! How does it feel being free? Similarly, I'm wearing a dress to college today because it's my birthday and I can't be bothered with being a guy today, I'll tell you all how it goes when I get back.It feels exactly the same. Get the same amount of stares when I dress normally.

Lucy
04-07-2011, 02:17 PM
Oh really? I'd take that as a sign you're passing, my friend! ♥

Kodos
04-07-2011, 06:17 PM
Congratulations and high fives! How does it feel being free? Similarly, I'm wearing a dress to college today because it's my birthday and I can't be bothered with being a guy today, I'll tell you all how it goes when I get back.
Good for you, Lucy! How'd it go?

GunZet
04-07-2011, 06:38 PM
Congratulations and high fives! How does it feel being free? Similarly, I'm wearing a dress to college today because it's my birthday and I can't be bothered with being a guy today, I'll tell you all how it goes when I get back.
Fk yea. Hey do keep switching it up to appeal to the ignorant public eye or what?
Just saying that because "I can't be bothered with being a guy today."
Either way, hope that goes cool for ya :]

*Also on the other craps. I agree with Aeth*

Lucy
04-07-2011, 10:01 PM
Fk yea. Hey do keep switching it up to appeal to the ignorant public eye or what?
Just saying that because "I can't be bothered with being a guy today."
Either way, hope that goes cool for ya :]

*Also on the other craps. I agree with Aeth*
I never feel like a dude. It's just that I'm not very confident. Sort of comes from being 6'6" tall and having huge wide shoulders, square jaw and having all that crap to contend with. Hormones are magic though, I'm starting to shape up.

It actually went really well today. College people are awesome. Like 50&#37; of the people I know at least referred to me as "she" rather than "he". I only got one hateful comment, and the dude that said it got mobbed by a horde of awesome folks and thrown into a river. People who were previously being assholes about it are mostly all like "OH WAIT, you're serious" and are now being cool. Some people were actually mistaking me for a natural girl and there was a small flock of folks around me the whole day giving me congratulations and support and stuff, it was like a mini pride festival.
Best freaking birthday ever.

Evil_Cake
04-07-2011, 10:27 PM
good for u :cat_thumbsup:

Outcast
04-07-2011, 11:25 PM
Thrown in river. Nice.

Kodos
04-07-2011, 11:35 PM
I never feel like a dude. It's just that I'm not very confident. Sort of comes from being 6'6" tall and having huge wide shoulders, square jaw and having all that crap to contend with. Hormones are magic though, I'm starting to shape up.

It actually went really well today. College people are awesome. Like 50&#37; of the people I know at least referred to me as "she" rather than "he". I only got one hateful comment, and the dude that said it got mobbed by a horde of awesome folks and thrown into a river. People who were previously being assholes about it are mostly all like "OH WAIT, you're serious" and are now being cool. Some people were actually mistaking me for a natural girl and there was a small flock of folks around me the whole day giving me congratulations and support and stuff, it was like a mini pride festival.
Best freaking birthday ever.
6'6? Jesus fucking Christ you're tall. If you don't mind my asking, how tall are your parents and/or any siblings?

Anyway, glad to hear it all went well for you and that you had fun on your birthday.

EDIT: Also, check your PMs. @_@

Lucy
04-08-2011, 08:42 AM
6'6? Jesus fucking Christ you're tall. If you don't mind my asking, how tall are your parents and/or any siblings?

Anyway, glad to hear it all went well for you and that you had fun on your birthday.

EDIT: Also, check your PMs. @_@
My mother is 5'9". My father's long gone, and I don't know how tall he is. Apparently I'm taller than him though :) My older brother Sam is 6'3".

Also, check YOUR PMs. OH SNAP.

GunZet
04-08-2011, 02:19 PM
Holy freaking crap...you're taller than me by a long-shot.

Outcast
04-09-2011, 10:14 AM
Nearly an entire foot taller than me...

Slurpee
04-11-2011, 04:32 PM
Lucy you are so tall.
Become a part time model! :D

Lucy
04-12-2011, 08:12 AM
Lucy you are so tall.
Become a part time model! :D

I would if I didn't look like a dude :P
I guess that's what photoshop is for! :D

Slurpee
04-12-2011, 03:07 PM
... Lol. Just.. lol...

ClockHand
04-14-2011, 01:59 PM
@Lucy

I don't think that would matter for to long.

http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-007.jpg

http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-002.jpg

Lucy
04-15-2011, 05:36 PM
@Lucy

I don't think that would matter for to long.

http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-007.jpg

http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-002.jpg

Aye, captain! Drugs make everything better! My face is already getting noticeably better, but I'll have to give it a few years before I'm all sexyful everywhere. 420chan's /cd/ is rich with timeline images like the two you posted. It amazes me how drastic the changes can be.

ClockHand
04-15-2011, 05:47 PM
If that muscle guy can become a girl, I believe anyone can be a hot woman (and in the other side to), is just a matter of drugs and good surgery xD.

Well you just need to go to Brazil to see how many mans can look like hot woman with just make up.

GunZet
04-15-2011, 06:22 PM
That's creepy man.

ClockHand
04-15-2011, 06:39 PM
what is creepy? (like what are saying is creepy)

Superdooperphailmachine
04-15-2011, 06:40 PM
I never thought the change could be so drastic.

Slurpee
04-15-2011, 06:48 PM
Wow.....
I have hope now, I thought it would take at least two years for the changes to be obvious on someone. I actually seriously planed to hold on college for a whole year because I didn't want to go in looking feminine. :monkey_suicide:

Delphinus
04-19-2011, 04:50 PM
Interesting thing I found for other homo/bisexual people: the concept of sexual orientation is actually fairly new. The ancient Greeks didn't have it, for example, and the ancient Romans only seem to have acquired it once they became Christian. Sexual orientation is a socialised concept, not a biological one, which makes the claims of certain conservatives ("IT'S NOT NATURAL") look really stupid.

Lucy
04-19-2011, 06:55 PM
Interesting thing I found for other homo/bisexual people: the concept of sexual orientation is actually fairly new. The ancient Greeks didn't have it, for example, and the ancient Romans only seem to have acquired it once they became Christian. Sexual orientation is a socialised concept, not a biological one, which makes the claims of certain conservatives ("IT'S NOT NATURAL") look really stupid.

I like to use the fact that 1,500+ species, from primates to gutworms, engage in homosexual behavior against those people. Mother Nature says hi.

ClockHand
04-19-2011, 07:01 PM
Delp@ I found amassing that you discover that so late in life (jk).

Yeah, sexual orientation is a social construction, even the relationship between sex is a social construction. So its invented and it can be changed.

Slurpee
04-20-2011, 12:35 AM
o_o
Yknow on the news they keep talking about how Kobe Bryant made a "gay slur".
I can't tell if they really care or they just want to talk about Kobe Bryant.

Psy
04-20-2011, 10:17 PM
I really hate how in the media and with younger generations you allways see and hear people say "I dont want to be labeled like that" (So hipster). Like saying that you are Gay Lesbian or Bisexual is some kind of death sentence. People use names like insults without even realizing what they are saying. Saying some one is Gay now is like saying that person is stupid or dumb "Dude you're so gay" "Dude thats so gay" when nothing they are doing or saying is actually refrencing somthing homosexual. The same goes for fag but that steps it up a notch and goes from calling them stupid to calling them some one who enjoys sex with another man. So now Gay means stupid and Fag means Gay/Homosexual.

My sisters teacher called a gay student a fag witout realizing he was gay. The guy (and unfortuanatley my sister) dresses in the emo fashion including skinny jeans and the teacher said "Why do young guys like you dress like that with skinny jeans and stuff? It makes you all look like fags." the guy made a fuss about this stating "Dont you think thats really insulting to actual gay students like me?" and refused to let the subject stop and was suspended by the teacher. Nothing was done to the teacher except he was made to appologize to the guy (and subsequently had to come out to his mom) and the suspension was lifted.
People use these words like the smurfs and think it totally natural to do so. No one questions it. No one corrects them (Seriously where is a grammar nazi when you need one?). No one even seems to care or pay attenion to it in the slightest and that is really sad. I guess i am jaded and feel the need to correct people on the subject because it hits so close to home but i would and do correct people on other subjects that i know about. I had an argument with my aunts friend on myspace when she told my aunt to "become a lesbian" and told her "you dont become a lesbian you either are or you arent" which she responded with "I never said to become a lesbian i said it was an option" and it was just stupid but comes back to my point about people not thinking about what they are really saying and who they are insulting with these words.

ClockHand
04-20-2011, 10:36 PM
I prefer other words, like:
"Saco Huea": I use it for any person who drives sport cars, think he/she is cool, talk about sport or parties, and all those things.
"Tontaku" or "Dumbtaku": Any nerd who only knows like naruto and would love to live in japan.
"Ahuevonado": Stupid.

Gay, Fag, Puta, Puto, Bitch, Zorra, etcetera are for kids or inmature people, who still believe that those are insults. There is people who would punch you in the face if you call them gay, but I prefer to be punched in the face saying a real insult, like "Hey, you should tell your mom to stop fucking the first guy she see" (the punch in the face feels way better when this is true jejeje).

Kodos
04-20-2011, 11:58 PM
I like to use the fact that 1,500+ species, from primates to gutworms, engage in homosexual behavior against those people. Mother Nature says hi.
I find the argument from nature worthless. You know what's really fucking unnatural? Living much past 30.

That said, while other animals engage in homosexual behavior, I do think that you can make the argument it's 'unnatural' or at least 'abnormal' not that any of these words should have any sort of moral condemnation implicit in them. Strictly speaking the purpose of an organism is to make copies of its DNA. Humans and other sexually reproducing creatures do this by fucking and then making an entirely new animal that carries on this process. Strict homosexuality is an evolutionary death sentence for the individual concerned, since they are obviously not going to contribute to the gene pool.

I've always found the biology of sex fascinating, and it's a shame there's not more research done on it. On the other hand, if we ever conclusively identified what sort genes might be responsible for homosexuality I am sure that abortions would occur en masse, and it would just become another tool for persecution, so I suppose it's for the best.

Hamdrank
04-21-2011, 11:06 AM
@Lucy

I don't think that would matter for to long.

http://img1.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-007.jpg

http://img2.sankakustatic.com/wp-content/gallery/safe-ix/sex-change-comparisons-002.jpgFor some reason this gets me upset. Why not just look masculine. I might be jealous cause they almost look as feminime as me afterwards. Must, retain, pretty femninime Thai looks. Think I am just jealous, maybe I should take some. I'll probably look weird though.

Slurpee
04-27-2011, 07:38 PM
I heard that Nicky Arguz's case is going to court May 13th.

Psy
04-28-2011, 05:00 PM
I am late reporting this one and posting this in full because i didnt like the site when i opened it up. (to many pop upy kinda things) Allso has nothing to do with LGBTQ other than it being about WBB (An enemy of LGBTQ people) so forgive the slight spamishness of this one please.


The Westboro Baptist Church once again makes the headlines. This time however, the good news is that they were foiled in their attempts to disrupt another serviceman’s funeral. Mississippi gives the Westboro the kind of welcome that we would all like to give.

Since we have reported on the Westboro Baptist Church a few times here, it is fitting that we update you on the latest.

Last Saturday, USMC Staff Sgt. Jason Rogers was laid to rest in Brandon, Mississippi He was killed in action in Afghanistan on April 7th. Many of the town’s residents paid homage along the route of the fallen hero as his body was transported home.

Most notably absent were the Westboro protestors who planned a large demonstration at Sgt. Rogers’ funeral. According to an Ole Miss message board, a tidbit of info………..

“A couple of days before, one of them (Westboro protestors) ran his mouth at a Brandon gas station and got his arse waxed. Police were called and the beaten man could not give much of a description of who beat him. When they canvassed the station and spoke to the large crowd that had gathered around, no one seemed to remember anything about what had happened.

Rankin County handled this thing perfectly. There were many things that were put into place that most will never know about and at great expense to the county.

Most of the morons never made it out of their hotel parking lot. It seems that certain Rankin county pickup trucks were parked directly behind any car that had Kansas plates in the hotel parking lot and the drivers mysteriously disappeared until after the funeral was over. Police were called but their wrecker service was running behind and it was going to be a few hours before they could tow the trucks so the Kansas plated cars could get out.

A few made it to the funeral but were ushered away to be questioned about a crime they might have possibly been involved in. Turns out, after a few hours of questioning, that they were not involved and they were allowed to go on about their business.”

It might be legal for the protestors to be there, but it isn’t right. Thankfully, the citizens of Brandon agreed and arranged for these slight incidents to keep the unwanted pests away. The Westboro mob never made it to the funeral and Sgt. Rogers was laid to rest without incident.

While i applaud there efforts and thank them for taking care of these people i would like to note that violance is not the answer.

Slurpee
04-29-2011, 04:13 PM
Revenge is so sweet. Nice to see the get a taste of their own medicine.

Kodos
04-29-2011, 04:33 PM
Yeah! Let's beat up people who voice horrible opinions! That's good and moral behavior!

I hate WBC with the passion of a million suns, but this is stupid and wrong. You can't even argue that it's justified violence, because their message is so hateful, because these are the funerals of US Military personnel we are talking about. People who joined an organization engaged in war crimes and countless atrocities, and that until very recently would not even lets open homosexuals into it. So in the game of "which group causes more harm?" the US Military vastly beats out the WBC.

Psy
04-29-2011, 06:51 PM
I do agree with kodos. I like that the wbb were stoped but I don't agree with the methods used. First beating some one up for having an opinion then falsely accusing others of crimes or (semi) holding them against there will is wrong on allot of levels. Freedom of speach is for everyone (no matter how stupid or hateful that speech or person is) and that was purposely taken away from them by any means necessary (I feel a bit dirty now). I think joining the military is an excuse to shoot some people (usually brown ones) and get away with it.

Kodos
04-30-2011, 03:26 AM
The US Military is an organization that is overwhelmingly evil and I have very little respect for anyone who willingly joined it during the last half-decade or so. It is plainly and overtly monstrous and the moral imperative is clear that we have an obligation to resist it and, at the very least, deny it our aid.

But that's neither here nor there. I only brought up the fact it's the military to point out that you can't even make an "ends justify the means" argument in this case because if that was so then it should be the military personal the violence is being directed at. This is not an example of that, but rather an example of "I do not like what you have to say and I am going to engage you in fisticuffs rather than debate."

I don't think the WBC has the right to protest at funerals as they do, since I do believe funerals should be a private event that is afforded certain protections. Plus other reasons. That said, the WBC has as much right as anyone to voice an opinion. Their opinions are insanely hurtful and abhorrent, sure, but they have the right to hold and vocalize them all the same. The proper response to the WBC is to try and take legal steps to ensure they cannot protest funerals and, when encountered outside of funerals, to either ignore them or engage them in debate. There are very few situations where violence is an acceptable choice, and "I don't like what you have to say!" is not one of them.

Slurpee
05-11-2011, 03:07 PM
They are about to sign a bill in Uganda that makes homosexuality illegal and on grounds to kill people.
There is an international petition. We've almost hit 1.5 million! SIGN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
http://news.deviantart.com/article/150634/

Bacon_Barbarian
05-11-2011, 03:56 PM
The Ugandan Government wouldn't care if everyone in the country who wasn't a Government official signed that bill.

Also, there was a WBC protest thing at some school a bit over. There were 3 WBC people there protesting and 100+ people protesting the WBC. It's not like they need help looking stupid.

ClockHand
05-11-2011, 04:19 PM
They are about to sign a bill in Uganda that makes homosexuality illegal and on grounds to kill people.
There is an international petition. We've almost hit 1.5 million! SIGN AS SOON AS POSSIBLE!
http://news.deviantart.com/article/150634/

There is little you can do signing a petition. Because not only the government in Uganda, but also the people who live in there believe that homosexuality should be punished, and foreigners signing a petition is pointless (sadly), and I bet that in Uganda more people are going in pro for the law that against it (again, sadly).

There is actually nothing civilizated you can do about this, you can't tell other countries which morals to follow, or how to deal with human rights (look US of A). Maybe the only way is to adopt people (adopt a gay Uganda person and you are going to save him from death).

BozeSG
05-11-2011, 04:36 PM
Hahaha! this is a weird topic for me who come from a country that executes any of the "LGBT" people....

Delphinus
05-11-2011, 04:42 PM
There is actually nothing civilizated you can do about this, you can't tell other countries which morals to follow, or how to deal with human rights (look US of A).

Do something uncivilised, then. Invade the shit out of these oppressive countries, and I guarantee that ultimately you'd improve the life of the average citizen.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-11-2011, 07:08 PM
Do something uncivilised, then. Invade the shit out of these oppressive countries, and I guarantee that ultimately you'd improve the life of the average citizen.
Yes, that always makes things better... What's that? Tehran use to be a [B]nice[B] place to live? You don't say.

Delphinus
05-11-2011, 07:18 PM
Yes, that always makes things better... What's that? Tehran use to be a nice place to live? You don't say.

Yes, because protesting about things in foreign countries that your government has no interest in is proven to work, while the result of conquering a country is always necessarily bad! There have never been any invasions where a vastly superior military force has attacked the administration of a country directly and conquered the country in a relatively short space of time with minimum destruction! This totally wasn't what England relied on to create the British Empire, which spanned 1/4 of the land mass of Earth!

That was sarcasm in case you couldn't tell. For comparison:

WHEN WE FORCE OUR CULTURE ON OTHERS IN AN ILLIBERAL FASHION
http://i465.photobucket.com/albums/rr17/SelimYavuz/BritishEmpire.png

WHEN WE TAKE THE LIBERAL ROUTE AND PROTEST TO OTHER COUNTRIES
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/6/62/Location_of_the_BOTs.svg/735px-Location_of_the_BOTs.svg.png

Bacon_Barbarian
05-11-2011, 07:22 PM
That was sarcasm in case you couldn't tell.

Just double checking.

Delphinus
05-11-2011, 07:23 PM
No, no, I really do think invading these countries is a good idea.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-11-2011, 08:43 PM
Whatever psycho.

Delphinus
05-12-2011, 04:19 AM
Classy. Personal insult and no actual retort to my argument. Real solid ground you're building on there.

But anyway, this is the LGBT thread, not a Politics thread, so we should probably get back on topic.

Kodos
05-12-2011, 06:45 AM
Hahaha! this is a weird topic for me who come from a country that executes any of the "LGBT" people....
I suggest moving. As a general rule, if you are living in a country that somehow manages to be more barbaric than America, you should probably do everything you can to get out of that country.

BozeSG
05-12-2011, 11:01 AM
I already have, it's been 2 months since i moved from iran to uk... but it's not like you're going to have any problems there if you stay, well, unless you're gay.... then you should get out as soon as possible if you don't like getting hanged (or stoned, depending on the situation)

Kodos
05-12-2011, 03:02 PM
Because a country so fucking backwards that in 2011 CE they stone human beings to death is a country that can be trusted?

Bacon_Barbarian
05-12-2011, 03:22 PM
Classy. Personal insult and no actual retort to my argument. Real solid ground you're building on there.

You've done this to me on multiple occasions, so I see no reason why not to.

BozeSG
05-12-2011, 03:31 PM
Never said anything about trusting, i just said that even with the government being run by a bunch of barbaric idiots, you can spend your time in peace if you don't just stand up and shout : "I'M GAY YOU MOTHER FUCKERS!!!!!!"... and stoning doesn't happen these days anyway, there was a huge fuss the last time they wanted to try it, that was meant as a joke/sarcasm

i'm just saying, laws usually don't have much effect on citizens, people can just do whatever they want if they do it quietly. government policies and rules are NOT the things that define a country's society.

Delphinus
05-12-2011, 05:54 PM
You've done this to me on multiple occasions, so I see no reason why not to.

Because acerbic Juvenalian satire that attempts to prove a point by ridiculing your views and making their flaws obvious is the same as a personal attack. Clearly you know reams about rhetorical devices.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-12-2011, 06:00 PM
Because acerbic Juvenalian satire that attempts to prove a point by ridiculing your views and making their flaws obvious is the same as a personal attack. Clearly you know reams about rhetorical devices.

No. You've made personal attacks.

Delphinus
05-12-2011, 06:03 PM
Probably not without making a point. There's a difference between "shut up, dipshit." and "shut up, dipshit. you're wrong because..." But this isn't the place for a flame war.

Back on topic? Please?

Bacon_Barbarian
05-12-2011, 06:10 PM
Back on topic? Please?

Yeah, sorry, I apologies. Anyway, Uganda is hopeless.

Slurpee
05-12-2011, 07:44 PM
Yes Uganda is hopeless. Like East Timor. Why Bother anyway? We should only care about our own country. Who needs foreigners. Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.

ClockHand
05-12-2011, 07:47 PM
Yes Uganda is hopeless. Like East Timor. Why Bother anyway? We should only care about our own country. Who needs foreigners. Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.

That makes completely sense.

Slurpee
05-12-2011, 07:56 PM
.....
Okay are you being sarcastic or...?

ClockHand
05-12-2011, 08:25 PM
Think in those words like a weird transgender who you can't know if its a woman or a man.

Kodos
05-12-2011, 08:40 PM
I'm basically in favor of killing everyone in the universe who is not me.

Outcast
05-12-2011, 08:45 PM
Same.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-12-2011, 09:27 PM
Yes Uganda is hopeless. Like East Timor. Why Bother anyway? We should only care about our own country. Who needs foreigners. Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.

No, really, this is idiotic. I know you're being sarcastic, but that bolded bit is not like anything I said and not something I agree with at all.

America is not the world's police dog and the world doesn't want to be policed by America. It's not our place. If anything, it's the UNs job to take care of Uganda. That petition doesn't mean anything. It's like letting some random citizen of Indian vote for the Presidency. The world just doesn't work that way.

Slurpee
05-13-2011, 06:41 PM
Think in those words like a weird transgender who you can't know if its a woman or a man.

._.
Don't even go there. That's not even funny. Just don't ever go there again.

Delphinus
05-13-2011, 06:43 PM
I'm basically in favor of killing everyone in the universe who is not me.

good call


Think in those words like a weird transgender who you can't know if its a woman or a man.

posting this in the LGBTQ thread was a great idea

violin
05-13-2011, 11:12 PM
Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.
Thinking that foreigners (like me) are bad for America is like thinking that gay people are bad for your community. I see no difference there.
For example I came to the USA educated with a university degree and I work and pay taxes that goes to Social Security etc. Think about it - I pay taxes to a system that I haven't got any benefits from. So how is that bad for the economy.

Anyway a bit offtopic:
Didn't knew she's transexual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rn_F-WyaaFk
Anyway. Nice song. I remember it became quite a hit back in 1998 when she won the Eurovision song contest. She performed on the Semi Final of the 2011 Eurovision contest yesterday but did't qualify to the finals. The new song was very bad in my opinion.

ClockHand
05-13-2011, 11:25 PM
._.
Don't even go there. That's not even funny. Just don't ever go there again.

I will never go there again if you will never go to take this following subjects: Foreigners, Mexicans, Peruvians and Latin American People. Also of course any country or person who speak spanish or is from a spanish speaker family.



posting this in the LGBTQ thread was a great idea

Yeah, what I was thinking? making a joke? come on people don't have sense of humor unless its against foreigners.


Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.

Delphinus
05-14-2011, 06:40 AM
^ either you're trolling or you're some sort of uber-douchebag

Slurpee
05-14-2011, 07:56 AM
I was being sarcastic.
My mother is a foreigner. Why would I want to get rid of them? I was trying to make a point.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-14-2011, 08:04 AM
That wasn't a point. I never said ANYTHING like that. Nor is it something I agree with. Since point seems to have been forgotten, I'll reiterate.


Yes Uganda is hopeless. Like East Timor. Why Bother anyway? We should only care about our own country. Who needs foreigners. Hell, we might as well get rid of all the foreigners in America.


No, really, this is idiotic. I know you're being sarcastic, but that bolded bit is not like anything I said and not something I agree with at all.

America is not the world's police dog and the world doesn't want to be policed by America. It's not our place. If anything, it's the UNs job to take care of Uganda. That petition doesn't mean anything. It's like letting some random citizen of Indian vote for the Presidency. The world just doesn't work that way.

Lucy
05-14-2011, 08:31 AM
Think in those words like a weird transgender who you can't know if its a woman or a man.
An androgyne you mean.

ClockHand
05-14-2011, 12:38 PM
Thank Lucy, I got confused.

Slurpee@

I know that you were being sarcastic in a "joke", but I have no respect for people who joke at expenses of others and can't laugh at themselves.

As people says "Don't prank if you don't like to get pranked".

Delphinus
05-14-2011, 01:41 PM
you idiot

she wasn't mocking foreigners, she was mocking the perspective that people in other countries shouldn't be considered and we should focus on people in our own country in a nationalistic way

and then you went and mocked transsexuals

you are really fucking bad at picking up subtext. like so bad you should see a psychiatrist and make sure you're not on the autistic spectrum

Evil_Cake
05-14-2011, 01:45 PM
stfu

Outcast
05-14-2011, 02:27 PM
Language Barriers.

Slurpee
05-14-2011, 09:04 PM
We should just drop this or take this to another thread. Seriously. Now I regret posting that link.

Sylux
05-16-2011, 01:57 PM
I regret not eating those strawberries.

Hamdrank
05-18-2011, 12:10 PM
Wanna hear a good joke? All transgenders other than Asian are terribly ugly.

edit: Ok that was a bad joke; hope no one got offended before I've edited.

Slurpee
05-18-2011, 02:53 PM
.....
Just don't ever bother coming back to this thread ._.

Outcast
05-18-2011, 03:32 PM
Isn't hamdrank trans? WTF!?

Hamdrank
05-18-2011, 05:01 PM
Yea I am a Thai trans...you'll see. Also why would I not come back this thread? Is it that you're ugly?

Slurpee
05-18-2011, 06:09 PM
No. It's just that doesn't sound very funny :( Very mean. Sorry I kind of overreacted

Hamdrank
05-18-2011, 07:02 PM
No. It's just that doesn't sound very funny :( Very mean. Sorry I kind of overreacted I am sorry too-didn't mean it-was a bad joke. You know no one believes what I said is true.

jubeh
05-18-2011, 08:54 PM
If you post in this thread again you'rrrrrrrre out, alienninja.

Hamdrank
05-19-2011, 01:44 PM
I am not Alienninja; but who cares if I am banned.

jubeh
05-19-2011, 01:53 PM
My bad you guys draw really similarly. Temp ban then you'll be aight.

Bacon_Barbarian
05-19-2011, 07:41 PM
So a friend just came out to a group of his friends today. I didn't have any problems with this (why would I?), but then I came home. When I got home something struck me. This friend is also very religious and is also a conservative. What the hell. Can someone explain?

Kodos
05-19-2011, 08:28 PM
A lot, I would even venture most, Conservatives are gay. For many issues the people screaming loudest in opposition to something are the people who are most guilty of that thing. As I've said before, it is not freak coincidence that so many top Republicans are and top Nazis were homosexual.

Also Conservatives are masters of cognitive dissonance. You have to be when your stances on the issues are almost universally objectively wrong.

Lucy
05-20-2011, 02:58 AM
^this. If something's perceived as wrong by yourself or your peers, it's pretty natural to go NO NO NOPE NEVER DONE THAT LET'S ALL BE ANTI-SEMITES ISN'T THAT THE RIGHT THING TO DO I'M SURE IT IS HAHAHAHAHA oh shit i am fucked forever. It's a knee jerk reaction. I did the same thing when I was young, I was all hey let's pretend to be a dude, and what I ended up doing was being really violent, pretending to hate gays and being an asshole to everybody, because in my experience that's what guys did. Eventually the truth always comes out because it feels fundamentally wrong and you can't pretend to be someone you're not.

Also I got an appointment with an actual gender identity clinic! It took two and a half years longer than it should have because lolbritishnationalhealthservice, but hey! Happiness! While this is good news, possibly the best news I've had in my life, that was way too long; during the time it took them I attempted suicide repeatedly, indulged in gratuitous amounts of self harm and took it upon myself to acquire and nomnomnom on lots and lots of not-prescribed-to-me-therefore-probably-illegal estrogen pills (and just an itty bit of hard drugs but that didn't stick). Discussion on the quality of care and services available to the LGBT community go? I'd like to think I'm an isolated incident, otherwise I will enter anger mode.

Kodos
05-20-2011, 03:04 AM
Sorry to hear shit got shitty for you, Lucy. I'mglad to hear things are better now and that you have an appointment with the gender identity place, though.

Lucy
05-20-2011, 03:52 AM
Sorry to hear shit got shitty for you, Lucy. I'mglad to hear things are better now and that you have an appointment with the gender identity place, though.

Thanky muchlies, good sir. Shit being shitty is a sliding scale of shittiness. Shit is shitty but shit could be shittier and shit is less shitty now than how shitty shit was before. I'm currently staying with a friend and we're doing basically nothing but baking cupcakes for a few days, so I'm having a whale of a time despite everything that's been happening. I believe I owe you an explanation, as well, good sir. I have to run along to college and explain things, but check your inbox tomorrow.

Kodos
05-20-2011, 05:44 AM
Cookies are better than cupcakes. You should bake those instead.

Noob.

Blue_Dragon
05-20-2011, 07:26 AM
Discussion on the quality of care and services available to the LGBT community go? I'd like to think I'm an isolated incident, otherwise I will enter anger mode.

Well, the drugs for HIV medications are insanely expensive. Something like $1000 for one bottle of Atripela. Luckily, in some states (or most) if you are of low income, you can possible get on this program called "Ryan White." It'll help pay for the meds and for the lab work and shit. And there's a lot of lab work. But if the conservatives get their way, then programs like this will be slashed. So it's a fine line. There's also this thing, I think it's Aetna (they lost a law suit and have to include gender change in their ins plan, at least in NY) that can help pay for bills...but it's actually kinda crappy insurance. I bring this up because most ignorant peoples assume LGBT contract HIV the most (in reality, more heterosexuals have HIV than homosexuals.) Prejudice could also be slowing down the progress of better medicines, though new breakthroughs are being worked on (including a bacteria that can inhibit the reproduction of the virus.) I've heard a lot of stupid people associate HIV/Aids with solely the LGBT community. I mean, when I started dating a dude who's bi, I got warnings from some of my friends to make sure he didn't have HIV, which pisses me off because 1) LGBT does not = HIV and 2) HIV persons are not lepers to be avoided. With protected sex, there's a good chance of sustaining a relationship with an HIV positive person without getting infected. It's not fail proof, but hell, it's sure better than treating someone like an untouchable. And 3) I make sure any lover, regardless of their sexuality, doesn't have any STD (it's a no brainer that straights have shit, too.) No one ever said that with my heterosexual boyfriends.

But yeah, I haven't heard much on programs available for helping to become the gender a person feels more comfortable as (I don't know how to put this without sounding stupid, so there, I just sound stupid. I don't want to use the wrong term...) I was able to find a little bit of help on the web:

http://tarasresources.net/srs.htm, but not sure what else is out there.

But...it's tricky getting people and Insurance companies to properly understand the operations and the need for them. I'm too lazy to do more research. Anyone else have resources?

Lucy
05-20-2011, 03:18 PM
Cookies are better than cupcakes. You should bake those instead.

Noob.
Cookies are more of an American thing.... and we can do more cupcakes in one batch, unless we make itty bitty baby cookies.

Slurpee
05-20-2011, 03:19 PM
No, make one really huge cookie!

jubeh
05-20-2011, 03:59 PM
Put the cookies inside of cups.

ClockHand
05-20-2011, 04:03 PM
what about a cake made of cookies and cups?

Slurpee
05-21-2011, 06:55 PM
i dont think cups are edible :(

jubeh
05-21-2011, 07:00 PM
Got it.

Bake cookies in the shape of cups.

Use them to make cupcakes.

Kodos
05-21-2011, 08:05 PM
We need a cookiechat thread ASAP.

ClockHand
05-24-2011, 05:21 PM
So about all the many problems the actual president has made in Chile, now he mess it in the Gay Marriage.

The president said he supported the gay marriage and all that in election times (of course to win people), and now he has suspended any activity about that and he has only made a patrimonial engagement (this mean any homosexual relationship its only bonded by their good, but is not recognized as a family), and for worst the legislation is being work by religious agents.

So this is the worst president we have had in the entire history of this country. He is selling one of the biggest natural parks to make dams (almost everyone is against it), he hasn't make any effort with the people who lost their homes in the earthquake, he obviously never care about gay marriage, he stop helping the public transport (it's extremely expensive and the low class can't effort it, and neither a car), and the only thing he have tried to do is shit (he have made soo many mistakes that is not even funny now).

Slurpee
05-24-2011, 07:41 PM
....
REVOLUTION.
...
Ok no, but let's just hope the next election comes soon :(

Bacon_Barbarian
05-25-2011, 08:30 PM
It's a bit of a wait. Shame that Michelle Bachelet was voted out (from what I know).

ClockHand
05-25-2011, 09:02 PM
The deal is that, both parties (conservator and democrats) are pretty stupid. They launch as candidates the worst people, with less grades of popularity ever. So at the end people vote for the most retarded (in short story).

Slurpee@ there are a lot of people who is protesting right now even in Emol (is a conservative paper forum) most people hate this guy (if people of your same party hates you and you were playing by the parties rule, then there is obviously something wrong with you).

So yeah. At least in here I don't think there is going to be any gay marriage until this gay jump from a bridge or get out of his job as president.

Delphinus
05-26-2011, 06:31 PM
So yeah. At least in here I don't think there is going to be any gay marriage until this gay jump from a bridge or get out of his job as president.

This is the greatest typo ever, in context.

Psy
06-20-2011, 04:30 PM
New York may be on the brink of extending marriage to same-sex couples. As of this writing, the state’s marriage-equality bill appears to be one vote shy of passage. Several state legislators are still undecided. It’s a nail-biter.

Which means that our enemies are out in full force, giving the usual non-arguments.

I say “non-argument” deliberately. A striking fact about the public debate over marriage is that it has ceased to be much of a debate at all
full article at 365Gay.com (http://www.365gay.com/opinion/corvino-anti-marriage-advocates-have-no-case/).

Slurpee
06-21-2011, 12:39 PM
When I heard the news yesterday I cried.
My best wishes for New York :)

Slurpee
06-25-2011, 10:04 PM
GAY MARRIAGE IS NOW LEGAL IN NEW YORK!
So, let's celebrate! XD

Blue_Dragon
06-25-2011, 10:27 PM
Now we have to work on getting rid of DOMA. Which will be a bitch (and is a bitch. Stupidest law ever...or one of the stupidest laws.)

Slurpee
06-26-2011, 10:12 AM
who is doma? >_>

Outcast
06-26-2011, 10:59 AM
Google.