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KakashiTheSharingan
01-22-2011, 01:54 PM
Do anyone know how or where i can learn Japanese?

Rio
01-22-2011, 04:26 PM
How? You study.
Where? Schools, books, and of course, the internet.

Specifically:
http://www.learn-japanese.info/index.html
http://www.quia.com/shared/japanese/
http://www.kanjisite.com/
http://web.uvic.ca/kanji-gold/
http://www.nihongoresources.com/
http://www.mlcjapanese.co.jp/Download.htm
http://thejapanesepage.com/
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/learn/grammar
http://www.guidetojapanese.org/forum/
http://wakan.manga.cz/
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/cgi-bin/wwwjdic.cgi?1C
http://homepage3.nifty.com/jgrammar/grammar/data/kancard.htm
http://www.epochrypha.com/japanese/
http://www.csse.monash.edu.au/~jwb/japanese.html
http://www.kanji-sudoku.com/kanji-writing-sheets.html
http://hararie-japan-tokyo-tokyo.com/japanese_alphabet/japanese-alphabet/about-japanese-alphabet/
https://www.erin.ne.jp/en/

I've also mentioned some sites recently at the blog page (http://www.mangatutorials.com/index.php?do=/blog/) so check those out too. If you want more, try doing a search too.

EDIT:
More links:
Learn Kanji with Kanji Gold (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=7049) (has multiple related links as well)
Help with Learning Japanese (http://mangahelpers.com/forum/showthread.php?t=23871)
Hiragana Culture Lessons (http://japanese.about.com/library/blhiraculture.htm)
Genki Online (http://genki.japantimes.co.jp/index.en.html)

EDIT 2:
Even more links!
Renshuu (http://www.renshuu.org/)
Practice Kanji (http://www.realkanji.com/)

violin
01-22-2011, 04:38 PM
I guess RosetaStone is teh best self-learn language product but it's expensive.
I tried to learn the three alphahets (I'm not sure if alphabet is the correct term). It's too much characters and symbols. I failed or eventually gave up. And I don't know if it is possible to learn a language at home by your own. I learned English and German but it was with teachers in private and public schools and very often we had the chance to speak with native speakers.

I found a very usefull site for people that like to learn languages:
http://smart.fm
It's very interesting and entertaining and most of all free.
So for example try this: http://smart.fm/goals/24666
Just press "Start" and there you are learning Hiragana :D

I like learning languages and those was one of my favorite classes at school. Right now I'm not studing anything but I have the idea to either improve my german or start a new language.

If you find any interesting site for language learning please share it here.

Rio
01-22-2011, 04:45 PM
You can definitely learn the kana's (hiragana and katakana) on your own. Kanji's you can try as well but they're a little more complicated and time consuming than learning the kana's. Your best bet is to learn one step at a time and not to rush things.

@ violin
Yeah, that's a good link. There is also http://lang-8.com/ if you want to practice writing in Japanese. C:

Also, some recommended books:
Japanese Demystified
Japanese Step-by-Step
Japanese Kanji Flashcard by White Rabbit Press

I wouldn't recommend you buy kana books as you can find information online and practice on your own. In the long run, you're better off investing in kanji flashcards.

butternut
01-22-2011, 04:50 PM
well, I took an audit course in college, but even before i could take it, i found this site : http://www.kanjisite.com/html/start/kana/index.html useful. it was pretty much the same as our audit course,i guess, except for the assignments and tests.

DemonKaiser93
01-22-2011, 05:27 PM
but do I really need to know kanji's?, I mean they are really hard

butternut
01-22-2011, 05:39 PM
well, the site teaches hiragana and katakana before kanjis...so, it's your wish.
but i think it's better that you learn all of it if you want to learn, but then that's my opinion..so....

Evil_Cake
01-22-2011, 07:11 PM
Omae wa mo shindeiru

Delphinus
01-22-2011, 07:17 PM
but do I really need to know kanji's?, I mean they are really hard
Surprise d00d, learning a language is really hard!

Bardic-Dragoon
01-22-2011, 07:46 PM
but do I really need to know kanji's?, I mean they are really hard

to (mis)quote a teach of mine
"If you don't know Kanji you can only communicate with small children"
Basically just as you can be an illiterate adult (or really anything beyond elementary school) in any language, you can in Japanese, but thats not a good thing if you intend to learn the language.

that said, to make learning Kanji easier (not easy, just easier) Learn (http://japanese.about.com/library/weekly/aa070101a.htm)radicals (http://nuthatch.com/kanji/demo/radicals.html), they can make it easier to understand the meaning of more complex kanji. as an example
木 is a the kanji for tree as well as a radical
森 knowing that you can likely guess this means forest

Rio
01-23-2011, 09:37 AM
Kanji is basically pictorial presentations of real life things except the lines have become simplified over the years compared to hieroglyphics. It's not so bad once you break it down and learn to equate the kanji to it's meaning in pictures. Try Kanji Pict-O-Graphics (http://www.amazon.com/Kanji-Pict---Graphix-Japanese-Mnemonics/dp/0962813702/ref=sr_1_8?ie=UTF8&qid=1295793207&sr=8-8) by Michael Rowley.

Oh, and speaking of kanji, I really like Kodansha's Kanji Learning Dictionary (http://www.amazon.com/Kodansha-Kanji-Learners-Dictionary/dp/4770028555/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1295793207&sr=8-2).

LVUER
01-23-2011, 09:44 PM
Kanji is hard because there is one letter (or picture) for every object. Kanji is similar to Chinese (so people who already mastered Chinese language, found it's very easy to learn Kanji). My dad could read Kanji (only know the meaning though, since it's same letter different sound). Of course my dad couldn't speak Japanese at all, but he's very good at Chinese language.

They say, in order to use Chinese language properly, you need to memorize at least 10.000 words... scary...

violin
01-24-2011, 01:08 AM
How about sorting names. How do you do that? Or search in a dictionary. Sounds complicated.

Rio
01-24-2011, 10:20 AM
How about sorting names. How do you do that? Or search in a dictionary. Sounds complicated.

You mean in the kanji dictionary? The dictionary I have has it in two ways. The first is where you find things by direction and stroke order or you can also find it by it's on or kun (Japanese or Chinese way of saying the kanji). Direction refers to where you start the first stroke. You can start at the left, the top, and so on. From there, you go by stroke. For example, that forest kanji that Bardic-Dragoon mentioned earlier (森) would start at the top. The top kanji will be 4 strokes and the bottom half will be 8 strokes. So to find it, you have to go to the section that starts at the top and look in the 4-8 stroke area.

The second, and more faster way is to look at the back directory and find the on or kun and then flip to the page itself where the kanji is written. There's other types of quick directories but those are the two main one's.

Bardic-Dragoon
01-27-2011, 04:47 PM
Kanji is similar to Chinese

Correction, Kanji is/was Chinese, heck the kanji for kanji (漢字) actually comes out as something like 'Chinese letter'

To make a long story short the Japanese didn't have a written language until they started using Chinese writing. Through various stages, which i don't remember well but perhaps most notably involved inventing and introducing hiragana and katakana, developed their own written language with the Chinese written language as it's back bone (even hiragana and katakana are derivatives/simplifications of Chinese characters)

that said in the centuries since there have likely been minor changes so that Japanese kanji and Chinese kanji are no longer 100% indentical

Ceta
01-29-2011, 12:00 PM
"If you don't know Kanji you can only communicate with small children"
I disagree with this statement. Communication isn't based on the kanji you know, rather it is based on the number of words you know, how well you know the grammar and how well you can apply both in any given situation (for both speaking and listening, of course). Knowing kanji is critical if you wish to freely read signs/maps/books/newspapers/etc without the need to have someone close at hand translating everything for you, not to mention being able to write what you need to when you need to.

Delphinus
01-29-2011, 03:54 PM
I disagree with this statement...
If you don't know kanji you can only communicate in writing with very small children.

Ceta
01-30-2011, 12:02 AM
If you don't know kanji you can only communicate in writing with very small children.
You make it sound as if Japanese people forget how to communicate in writing using kana once they've learned kanji, which is obviously not true. Had Bardic-Dragoon said, 'If you don't know kanji, you can only communicate like a small child', I would have agreed with the statement.

Bardic-Dragoon
01-30-2011, 01:42 AM
Had Bardic-Dragoon said, 'If you don't know kanji, you can only communicate like a small child', I would have agreed with the statement.

Actually, that makes more sense and may be what my teacher actually said. regardless whatever the quote was meant to be i still stand by the reason i brought it up: any language worth learning is worth being literate in.

pajamajam
01-30-2011, 02:10 AM
There's an itouch app called Human Japanese that teaches you to read and write the kana as you go along. It doesn't use any romanji, so it sort of forces you to learn to read a little if you want to keep learning. It's p. rad.

LVUER
01-30-2011, 05:20 AM
Actually, that makes more sense and may be what my teacher actually said. regardless whatever the quote was meant to be i still stand by the reason i brought it up: any language worth learning is worth being literate in.
I don't really understand the meaning of that quote... Would you want to explain, please?

Ceta
01-30-2011, 05:24 AM
any language worth learning is worth being literate in.
I never argued against this point since, for the most-part, I agree with it.

Byakuran
01-30-2011, 06:26 AM
Did anyone say ' livemocha.com ' yet?

Hayashida
01-30-2011, 01:15 PM
Do you think it would be easier learning how to speak a language before learning how to write it, or would it be easier learning it all at the same time?

Rio
01-30-2011, 01:19 PM
I think it would be best to learn it all in the same time but I think learning how to speak it would be faster than learning how to read and write.

Hayashida
01-30-2011, 01:23 PM
Yeah I think it would be best to learn everything at once, but I think it might be easier to pick up on writing like hirigana once you have a better understanding of the language and are able to speak it more or less fluently.
In any case, the best way to learn a language isn't through programs, but to go to the country where they speak it and immerse yourself in it without any help from your language. Because then you'll be forced to learn it, or you will die of starvation!

butternut
01-30-2011, 01:57 PM
Learning to read/write will make you learn how to speak as well, and it's better because then if you visit that country you wont have problems at all in communicating with other people or reading signs and stuff.

How I learnt Japanese - my university offered an audit course, so we had all tests and assignments and stuff, though it was only the basics..

Yara
01-30-2011, 02:33 PM
Did anyone say ' livemocha.com ' yet?

I tried to learn French using livemocha. If you can pay, that's better because they'll send you the material or something like that and later you can print it I guess (I don't remember how it works exactly >_<). I didn't pay, so learning by watching the laptop screen was exhausting for my eyes.. so, I moved to collecting the stuff I want to learn from the internet and printing them.

Well, I learn Japanese depending on my mood (speaking, listening, writing and reading). I don't push myself because for me, this is how it works =) Pushing myself to become perfect in drawing before making any manga made me dislike everything regarding drawing for a few months.

@All: Thanks for the links. I lost my material of the Japanese language and you saved my time ^_^

Hayashida
01-30-2011, 02:42 PM
If I ever go to Japan, all I need to look for on signs is "ラーメン". Then I will be able to live.

butternut
01-30-2011, 02:53 PM
Ramen?
You'll get sick of it after, say, a few months or so.

Hayashida
01-30-2011, 03:10 PM
No I don't think so. I think I'd die of a sodium overdose before I get sick of ramen.

jubeh
01-30-2011, 03:39 PM
How could you get sick of ramen I dont even

butternut
01-30-2011, 03:56 PM
It's not ramen in particular, but don't you get sick of anything when you do it obsessively compulsively for a long time? at least get bored?

pajamajam
01-30-2011, 04:06 PM
That's true for most things, but this is ramen we're talking about.

Devillan
01-31-2011, 07:18 AM
Dudes, its a thread about learning Japanese...not ramen

AW...I downloaded a NDS game called: My Japanese Coach and its pretty good...and I keep a notebook of what I learned

Hayashida
01-31-2011, 01:17 PM
looks like someone doesn't like instant noodles...
On the plus side, I figured out on my computer how to type with hiragana and katakana. I sort of type in romaji and it puts it into hiragana which is cool and sort of related to the topic. Only problem is that I don't know how to speak japanese so it's still sort of useless at this point. But it's still cool. Also it goes to kanji or whatever after you finish typing the world which is great.
For example my username is 林田。

Rio
01-31-2011, 11:20 PM
Hayashidaaaaaaa! You have to tell me how to do that~! What's the secret???

Hayashida
01-31-2011, 11:21 PM
I don't know how you would do it on a PC, but if you've got a mac I can tell you how.

Rio
01-31-2011, 11:35 PM
Dammit! I have a PC.... ;_;

Hayashida
01-31-2011, 11:42 PM
I googled it for you and I found this
http://www.autopenhosting.org/unicode/type-Japanese.html
I don't know if it will work, but I suppose it's worth a try.

LVUER
01-31-2011, 11:49 PM
If you have MS Word, and Japanese font type thingie (forget the exact term) installed, you could type Japanese word, provided you know the world. I've once tried to type "Kamen Rider", but only managed to get the right result after typing "Ka-men" and "Ra-i-da"

Devillan
02-01-2011, 01:09 AM
Dammit! I have a PC.... ;_;

In the language bar press right click on the language selected and choose Settings, then press Add on the right side of the window and add Japanese