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Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 03:32 PM
Well, hey again. :3 I have three (amatuer (I started getting into anime/manga art like 3 days ago, which is a long backstory, if you want I'll tell you, but it took like 30 mins talking to my Dad about it. :3)) pieces I'd like for you to critique:

http://i50.tinypic.com/fbzvgg.jpg
I can give a super long backstory for why I drew this one, but if you want to hear it I'll tell you, just not here.

http://i45.tinypic.com/28wgygo.jpg
Just a practice drawing. With a lot of eraser lines. <_> Sorry about that, I liked this one better than the Photocopy.

Sorry for the huge pics, I'm going to try and resize them ASAIC.

Thanks in advance! :D

ClockHand
08-09-2012, 03:36 PM
2 things:

Its [image] [/image ]. And you place the direct link of the image, which must be uploaded to a host site.

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 03:39 PM
2 things:

Its [image] [/image ]. And you place the direct link of the image, which must be uploaded to a host site.

What do you mean host site? (I feel like a total idiot :cat_remorse: ) Like googel docs or something?

Hayashida
08-09-2012, 03:42 PM
image hosting websites are websites where you upload a picture from your computer onto the internet. Photobucket and Imgur are examples of these. Upload the picture you want to post onto an image hosting website. After that, take the image link (it will end in an image format such as .png, .jpg, .gif etc) and then put that link in between the image tags as clock said earlier.

ClockHand
08-09-2012, 03:42 PM
like imageshack.us, deviantart or any kind of image host site. You copy the direct link of the image, and place it with the code I just posted, which is also made in a shortcut on your reply board where you see a tiny picture of a framed tree (next to the image that look like a film).

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 03:47 PM
Okay thanks guys, I'll upload the ones I have now! I should get them in soon.

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 04:10 PM
*Does what the monkey is doing on the OP* Can anybody see the test picture? Or is it just crappy luck that everybody else can, but me?

Hayashida
08-09-2012, 05:28 PM
um try uploading to something other than google docs. Like I said, try photobucket or imgur

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 05:39 PM
Oh, thank you, thank you, thank you *PoA continues to ranter on* IT WORKED! I wonder why Google Docs didn;t work though. :3 Anyways, I got two of them up, I'll add in the next one once I'm finished... giving him equips.

EDIT: Much, much better, ty again Hayashida. I got all the pics to appropriate sizing, critiquing is now open. :D

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 07:19 PM
This is Nex, I think I might do something with him, whether it be a small story to a video game idea. :3

http://i47.tinypic.com/wtcb39.jpg
Fixed boots, which still might be a little off and made it bigger so you could see more of the text.

Demonfyre
08-09-2012, 07:49 PM
Before I make a critique can I ask if when you were making the drawings if you had a set number of head heights chosen for each drawing?

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 08:02 PM
Err, not really. I literally got into anime drawings two or three days ago, so I'm not really counting heads for these people. Now that I think of it, the Elf and Water Girl do seem a bit short if that's what you mean. :3

TheVermillionFox
08-09-2012, 08:14 PM
For the one most recently posted, the shoes/feet in a front view should be flat against the ground, unless he's on his tippy toes.

It looks kind of like this: http://i1065.photobucket.com/albums/u400/TheVermillionFox/Artwork&#37;202012/3c792b00.jpg

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 08:20 PM
TVF: :D Wow, thanks, that really helps!

Demonfyre
08-09-2012, 08:21 PM
Err, not really. I literally got into anime drawings two or three days ago, so I'm not really counting heads for these people. Now that I think of it, the Elf and Water Girl do seem a bit short if that's what you mean. :3

Well then, what I really recommend is reading into using head heights to measure the height the character will be :) the less head heights your character is the more childlike and 'cute' your character becomes and is usually involved in conveying youth, as you use more head heights in a body you get closer to realistic human proportions and usually shows maturity in some respects :P I'll see if I can find some head height charts so you can get an idea for where different parts of the bodies are placed at each head height :)

Getting this under your belt at an early stage will be incredibly useful for you in the future :) hence why I'm suggesting this to you :)


Edit:

http://www.idrawdigital.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/prop2.jpg

This is a he's height chart for realistic human proportions, for the anime/manga style you will usually find that the 7 and 6 head heights will be most useful to you if you have characters that are teenagers :)

I hope this is helpful :D

ClockHand
08-09-2012, 08:23 PM
Advice: Go with real human anatomy and left "anime" for later.

Prince of Angels
08-09-2012, 08:35 PM
Demon: Well, thanks. I used http://waylands_forge.tripod.com/123/figure2.htm for my first drawing. That body figure helped me out some, and the site aswell. And... dang I totally forgot what i was going to say, I'll edit this later. <_>

Clock: I assume you meant-Advice: Go with real human anatomy and leave "anime" for later. And by that I asumme you mean just sketch drawings of people? No faces, no clothing. Manniquins. <(I think I spelled that right...)

PoA: Oh, I just noticed something. Nex's left pantleg is lower than the other.

Prince of Angels
08-15-2012, 12:26 PM
O_O I didn't see that edit. Unfortunatly, I'm already far enoug into my drawing, tht I'd rather just apply it to my next drawing. :3 But, I'll try and get t on to the next. Anyways, this thred has beengone due to my inferior art block, I'll get my next drawing in soon.

Prince of Angels
10-12-2012, 07:24 PM
This is going to be a very awkward post. :3 here goes...
Well, I almost have one of my OC's done, there is just one part done, well, technically two...
The breasts. x3
I have gone to so many different websites to try and get the appropriate info. BUT I STILL DON'T GET IT. >_<
I would greatly appreciate if I can get some help, I would go to more websites... but I've seen enough for today. x3

toast
10-12-2012, 10:05 PM
Demon: Well, thanks. I used http://waylands_forge.tripod.com/123/figure2.htm for my first drawing. That body figure helped me out some, and the site aswell. And... dang I totally forgot what i was going to say, I'll edit this later. <_>

Loomis (the guy demon posted) explains everything that page explains but a million times better and more detailed, with better art. Idunno how you can trust a website with such shit art as the banner (why does the hair look plastic?)


Clock: I assume you meant-Advice: Go with real human anatomy and leave "anime" for later. And by that I asumme you mean just sketch drawings of people? No faces, no clothing. Manniquins. <(I think I spelled that right...)

Leave stylized art for stuff on the side and focus more on actual anatomical studies, so that you can gain a better understanding of it all, which you won't gain if you stay in the confides of your own style.

look through this guy's art thread for inspiration. he does a lot of studies and sketches:
http://conceptart.org/forums/showthread.php?216170-Galaxy-Express-Three-Nine

Prince of Angels
10-13-2012, 09:23 AM
Mmk, I'll try that. Thanks, I guess, I'll come up with some sketches later.

Prince of Angels
10-13-2012, 02:22 PM
Huh, I didn't know I started a new page! :)
Anyways, I'm done with one of my anatomy practices, it is very simple, you can still see the cones and circles, for the purpose of, I suck. :3 And for the purpose of you guys telling me what I'm doing wrong before I erase the guidelines and call it a maniquin.

http://i45.tinypic.com/16lii3p.jpg

Bigger image for BV:

http://i50.tinypic.com/5umzok.jpg

BunnyVoid
10-14-2012, 03:41 AM
hi there!
If you could, can you make it a bit bigger. Sorry... lol can't crit something i can't see too well.
But its nice that you've started with anatomy. Good luck with that bro!

Prince of Angels
10-14-2012, 09:44 AM
Thanks, and will, do that should be uploaded in less that 5 mins. :>

BunnyVoid
10-14-2012, 09:59 AM
ohokay! that's good.

for the drawing i think the basic thing would be to draw the stick figure first, especially the connection in between the head, the chest, and the hips via spinal cord. This helps you attain a balanced pose and at the same time help in assessing proportion. To illustrate that take a look at doanminhman's tutorial http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs41/f/2009/042/e/5/DrawColor_Male_in_Realistic_by_doanminhman.jpg.

He's kind of my idol in many ways. Its really helpful, even though highly stylized.
I hope this crit is fine. Don't give up! Hope to see some more from you soon.

Prince of Angels
10-14-2012, 10:17 AM
Okay thanks. :) Unfortunatly I can't apply that to the next thing I upload because, I already drew it last night some fold and head practices, no biggie, /shrug ohwell. I want to get those uploaded sooner, but the scanner with this computer doesn't work, I'm going to have to use a different one. Thanks again. :D

EDIT:

Fold Practice I
http://i45.tinypic.com/2nc2ljb.jpg
http://i45.tinypic.com/4sz59x.jpg

Not one of my best practices, I think I did decent on the cape, except the PoF seems stronger on the right side of the cape. THe scarf and drape didn't turn out so well.

Head Practice I
http://i50.tinypic.com/21m886f.jpg
http://i46.tinypic.com/a1n4vq.jpg

I had a lot of fun with this one. I really like the guy with the eye patch, I think I did awesome on him. I tagged one of the heads as "horrible" because that one was a big mess-up. And I pimped a character from the old pimp thread here, just its head though. Some of the people who participated there, I dare you to try and find 'em. :P

All crits are appreciated.

Prince of Angels
10-14-2012, 01:22 PM
Anatomy Practice II:

http://i45.tinypic.com/10mq840.jpg

I used Bunny's reference for this. I think it turned out somewhat good. Crits welcome.

toast
10-14-2012, 02:37 PM
you're drawing what you think you see as opposed to what you're actually supposed to be drawing. are wrists really that big? do fingers look like that? are bodies usually this unsymmetrical? where's the chin? why are his feet tiny and square?

refer to this thread for anatomy references, scroll down for more resources as well. I suggest you try to draw one of these poses upside down. the reason I say this is so that you would stop thinking in symbols and so that you could end up drawing what you actually see. this is like a basic exercise for beginning artists that help a fuck ton:

http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?2337-Anatomy-Reference-Practice-Thread-*SFW-with-nudity*


more tutorials:

http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?2594-A-buttload-of-tutorials-for-everyone

look through this for even more resources:

https://sites.google.com/site/4chanic/training-tutorials


you're on the internet, which is the holy grail of art resources. you no longer have to worry about taking art classes, forcing yourself to go outside, etc. all you need is motivation and brains. stop doing guesswork, abuse these hundreds of resources bro. It's not practice if you're drawing what you've been drawing the whole time. practicing includes learning, which you can't do without references and help.

Prince of Angels
10-14-2012, 03:32 PM
I see what you mean, I knew all of those things were there, but it was just practice. Next time I'm gonna try and do beter nad use more references. ^.^

JJJorgie
10-14-2012, 04:06 PM
Also, take your time and don't rush. Your pictures all have a lack of symmetry. If something doesn't look right, just erase it and try again :)

Another thing, it seems you me that you are hardly lifting your pencil. It's contributing to the lack and symmetry and shaky lines. I'd suggest using shorter lines (I don't mean choppy messy lines, but just short lines that connect well with eachother).

Prince of Angels
10-14-2012, 04:37 PM
Okay, thanks. :) I'll try that next time.

Demonfyre
10-14-2012, 08:14 PM
On the contrary with what JJ said, make sure to keep your strokes nice and confident even when you do make them slightly shorter, they look far superior than quick choppy and nervous lines. Also try to breakdown your subject; whether that is using negative spaces, a skeletal frame or doing what you did before and use basic forms and build it up, and experiment with guidelines (within reason, they need to obey some form of laws or else they won't make sense and won't give correct placements).

Also do pay attention to symmetry, don't make me find some medical journals ranting about the importance of biological symmetry xD

theAnimeRebel
10-15-2012, 04:49 PM
Hmm, two or three days ago, huh? Well first of all, my suggestion is to observe. Observe, observe, observe. Take a sketchbook with you everywhere. This doesn't have to be difficult or complicated.

1. Try breaking down your drawings into shapes. What is this object's basic shape? A building, car= rectangle/square. Bicycle tire, donut= circle/oval. Cones and cylinders too. So OBSERVE, take that sketchbook you got, go out, and start sketching objects using basic shapes. And stick shapes together too. Practice... a lot. (For an example on shapes and people, people can be broken down into blocks, sticks, or circles. http://www.learn-to-draw-and-paint.com/image-files/how-to-draw-people02.gif )

2. Try 3D. It's complicated to explain, so check out a book or something. Basically, if you have a square, you'll "cube" it, people are 3D too, although getting that across is a little more complicated. (Think in cylinders, or better yet, a sack of potatoes!) Observe objects in real life and try to replicate the 3D-ness, look at the lines for help. How can that object be broken down into basic lines/shapes?

3. Shading. Again, observe. See how the light falls on different objects. Look for the black spaces. Experiment with shading using different pencil gradients.

4. Texture--- this is more complicated, and takes a lot of practice. Just observe, and keep in mind what type of surface you're trying to imitate. Rough or smooth? Is this person furry? Or do they wear silk?

Just some tips, keep in mind that the most important thing to do is observe and practice.

-Rebel

BunnyVoid
10-15-2012, 07:43 PM
Oh i just wanted to say that if you'll go 3d try Daz studio. lol. Just try. You can familiarize yourself with the contours of the human body with it. its so cool! But if you get confused with the interface and all, or if it takes too much time then just leave it... just wanted to say since animerebel said something about it.

PS: I'm not a promoter or anything just saying...

http://www.daz3d.com/

trilokcool3
10-15-2012, 10:55 PM
HERE i want you focus on this LITTLE THINGS .....
http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=310&d=1350354852

OK so you are NEW i guess.....don't worry ....
WHAT YOU LACKING ......
first of all 1: Your HANDS are not free. This is because your hand is shaking a lot while drawing , you can notice while making long curves or a straight line or circle etc.
2: Try to analyze by looking to yourself infront of a mirror, you will get generall idea of proportions like
a>> see what is the length of your hands, how far does it reaches ?
b>> how big is your head compare to your body.
c>> how joints look like
ok now ABOVE I HAVE SHOWN YOU. I tried to show you each part hoping that it will help you.
you know THE BEST OF ALL is that you start drawing FANARTS ( copy characters from manga page or something like that )
REFERENCES as all saying will help you then any other thing .
ok this is it i will be saying.

Prince of Angels
10-16-2012, 07:01 PM
@THEAnimeRebel Oh man, :D that is going to be so friggn awesome, carrying around my scetch book around school, draw lockers, get late to class. :3 Hehe, I'll risk it.

@Meeshar Void Hehe, when I get into the digital arties I'll give it a go, is that what you were using? I saw pictures and I thought that was PS or SAI I wasn't sure.

@TRILOK Ah, thankyouthankyouthankyouthankyou! :D You pointed out things that were wrong in my AP II that is some awesome sauce, thanks! :D

Prince of Angels
11-04-2012, 10:19 AM
Well, I've tired my first block-art-type-thing. (Minecraft, Lego, etc.) So here I have a Han Solo firing half a gun. (Stupid sketch book, too short. X3). I had a lot of fun on this considering it was my first time trying this out.

http://i46.tinypic.com/2qxtkig.jpg

Crits Appreciated, before I actually attempt at colouring.

Demonfyre
11-04-2012, 02:42 PM
I think you need to be a bit more observant of the proportions, the legs are about hald the size of the torso, but if you look at an actual lego minifigure;

http://jimhagen.com/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/lego_0.png

You can see that the legs are about the same size as the torso.

Prince of Angels
11-04-2012, 09:20 PM
Oh my,you're right. *Facepalm* I'll fix that before Thursday. :) Thanks, Demon!