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toast
06-23-2012, 11:48 PM
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I can't think of a good intro, so um. Conspiracies. Let's talk about them. If you're a conspiracy theorist, try to prove your conspiracies. Talk about the dumbest conspiracies you've heard, talk about some experiences you've had.

Here's some popular conspiracies that conspiracy theorists ramble on about:
Illuminati & NWO, Freemasons (secret societies in general)
Aliens (Area 51, Roswell)
Tupac and Elvis ain't dead
US government was the reason for 9/11
AIDS is manmade
Apollo 11 didn't land on the moon
Some US presidents were actually reptillian overlords Lol
JFK wasn't killed by Lee Harvey Oswald
Paul Mccartney actually died a long time ago, and was replaced by another guy that looks exactly like him

Tell me if theres anything else you want to add to the list. It doesn't actually have to be popular. I'll also add links under the conspiracies if you want, just provide them.

The illuminati conspiracy is probably the most popular at the moment, and the one that annoys me the most. The only "evidence" I've seen is subliminal messages that don't make sense. Give me substansial proof if you think the illuminati is real, without telling me I'm in denial and without bringing up Tupac and Jay-z.

My spanish teacher also once told me her boyfriend a long time ago worked in Area 51, and there were definately aliens. I wasn't sure what to say, but it was weird.

Bacon_Barbarian
06-24-2012, 01:26 AM
This is dumb. To quote Alan Moore.

"Yes, there is a conspiracy, indeed there are a great number of conspiracies, all tripping each other up… the main thing that I learned about conspiracy theories is that conspiracy theorists actually believe in the conspiracy because that is more comforting. The truth of the world is that it is chaotic. The truth is, that it is not the Jewish banking conspiracy, or the grey aliens, or the twelve-foot reptiloids from another dimension that are in control, the truth is far more frightening; no-one is in control, the world is rudderless."

Psy
06-24-2012, 02:08 AM
That there is a cure for cancer, aids, and just about everything else out there. Supposedly it something called Ozone. It's something like super oxygen that repairs cells and causes a chain reaction in the body and every cell gets repaired killing any virus and blah blah blah.
It's aperently not known about because it's being kept secret by the United Nations because the majority of the medical industries money is made taking care of the terminally ill with drugs treatments and surgeries. If it was released to the world it would be so cheap it would bankrupt the medical industry and every nation and throw the world into chaos.

This is all according to a guy I worked with for a while.

Evil_Cake
06-24-2012, 02:15 AM
did u know they can make cars wit super good gas mileage, but they wont

Psy
06-24-2012, 02:20 AM
One teacher in school told me a long time ago that ford or some other company bought the pattent to an engine that ran off of water and shelved it just so no other company could use it and suposedly they make sure to renew the patent when needed.

WhenRabbitsAttack
06-24-2012, 03:03 AM
you can use a cellphone on airlines. they only tel you not too because;
they want you to pay for the inflight phones, which are really expensive

-from my brother

Shnorkel
06-24-2012, 06:36 AM
[DATA EXPUNGED]

@WRA @Demonfyre

Demonfyre
06-24-2012, 09:01 AM
The government is up to something I tell you guys! it's called 'Project Ragnarok'! The so called nuclear reactor "accident" in the Aurelia island was a government testing of some experimental WMD! You have to believe me! They have eyes everywhere, so this will be deleted soon and I risk my life telling you this guys. Something big is going on.

@WRA @Demonfyre

Oh god! We were right all along! :P


And:

"Everytime we close our eyes everyone in the world turns into a cat, because when you close your eyes you can't see anyone so for all we know you could all be talking cats!" -Russel Howard's Brother

toast
06-24-2012, 02:00 PM
That there is a cure for cancer, aids, and just about everything else out there. Supposedly it something called Ozone. It's something like super oxygen that repairs cells and causes a chain reaction in the body and every cell gets repaired killing any virus and blah blah blah.
It's aperently not known about because it's being kept secret by the United Nations because the majority of the medical industries money is made taking care of the terminally ill with drugs treatments and surgeries. If it was released to the world it would be so cheap it would bankrupt the medical industry and every nation and throw the world into chaos.

This is all according to a guy I worked with for a while.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ozone_therapy

actually a real thing, but apparentally there isn't substansial evidence of it helping anyone. Besides, O3 isn't the best for our respiratory system. The guy you worked with probably heard it from some other guy but didn't bother to read up about it :/

ClockHand
06-24-2012, 02:09 PM
Electric cars, one of the best conspiracy.

Outcast
06-24-2012, 03:40 PM
I've heard that one.
A company (don't remember the name I think it might have been gm) built an electric car that could be plugged into your house and run just on that, supposedly everyone who had one saved a good deal of money and really enjoyed them, but one day an oil company had a "talk" with this car company and then for no known reason the car company recalled all those cars and replaced them with gas powered cars.


How horribly did I word that?

Celestial-Fox
06-25-2012, 01:59 AM
My dad believes the U.S. government killed Kennedy and Martin Luther King. :U

Sutari
06-25-2012, 03:25 AM
what if not believing in a conspiracy is actually a conspiracy against the conspiracy theorists? wouldn't that prove them right?

that would be a conspiraception

Celestial-Fox
06-25-2012, 03:45 AM
>:U!!!

rei go back to japan plz

ClockHand
06-25-2012, 03:53 AM
I never understood Kennedy conspiracy.

toast
06-25-2012, 02:58 PM
It's funny because the researchers for the kennedy conspiracy contradicted themselves. One dude was like "I didn't see a smoking gun, it's a conspiracy!". Another guy was like "I SAW LIKE 16 SMOKING GUNS ITS A CONSPIRACY". That's enough to not even believe in anything these dudes say.

What if the real conspiracy was that these guys were trying to turn citizens against the government?!?! OH MAN A TWIST

Also I'm quite surprised there's no illuminati conspirators popping up, considering it's come to a point where even teenagers are starting to give into the bullcrap. I'm starting to think that people just want to live in a world like The Secret World or something. It reminds me of people who think that Harry Potter is a conspiracy and there's actually a Harry Potter world. I mean, shit, that'd be awesome but it's not true.


what if not believing in a conspiracy is actually a conspiracy against the conspiracy theorists? wouldn't that prove them right?

that would be a conspiraception

Believe it or not, I've heard people actually think this. It's even funnier when they say "we're not conspiracy theorists because this isnt a theory its a fact". I'm just like um wat

Demonfyre
06-25-2012, 03:02 PM
About Kennedy assassination

http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m660mlkQzJ1qioucx.jpg

About Illuminati:

http://i.qkme.me/3oghqp.jpg

Yup I think that covers everything

ClockHand
06-25-2012, 03:14 PM
Now about the electric car.

Demonfyre
06-25-2012, 03:26 PM
Now about the electric car.

Powered by elves inside the engine

Delphinus
06-26-2012, 01:51 PM
To be fair electric cars do exist they just kind of suck unless you pay $1,000,000,000,000,000,000 for one.


My dad believes the U.S. government killed Kennedy and Martin Luther King. :U

Tbh that's not super crazy, the U.S. has done some heinous shit in the past. I could almost buy the MLK one if it weren't for the total lack of evidence.

ClockHand
06-26-2012, 02:12 PM
You should read more about it, it's says in the legends that its production cost was equal and cheaper than normal cars. That they were easy to do maintenance and they could be really good, as equal as normal cars. But those are just legends.

AlmanacnamedTime
06-26-2012, 03:22 PM
Tbh that's not super crazy, the U.S. has done some heinous shit in the past. I could almost buy the MLK one if it weren't for the total lack of evidence.

Wrong. They were never completely stopped. They have infected all the political parties!!!!! GAHHH!
Seriously though, I agree with you.


You should read more about it, it's says in the legends that its production cost was equal and cheaper than normal cars. That they were easy to do maintenance and they could be really good, as equal as normal cars. But those are just legends.

I heard about things like this awhile ago. This would be cool to have.

Delphinus
06-26-2012, 04:30 PM
You should read more about it, it's says in the legends that its production cost was equal and cheaper than normal cars. That they were easy to do maintenance and they could be really good, as equal as normal cars. But those are just legends.

Yeah, also the conspiracy theorists don't get that if this were true then you'd have crazy startups undercutting the big car companies. That's how capitalism works, unless you think the world is run by ten dudes sitting in a boardroom

Superdooperphailmachine
06-26-2012, 09:09 PM
Uh, it is.

Delphinus
06-27-2012, 04:21 AM
What are you, a marxist or something?

Shnorkel
06-27-2012, 04:51 AM
The Jews are trying to take over the world. It's true.

Delphinus
06-27-2012, 05:06 AM
Don't be ridiculous, Jews? That's just racist.

Now, the Bilderberg Group (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bilderberg_Group) are clearly the Illuminati.

Shnorkel
06-27-2012, 05:13 AM
lol considering It's noted that I'm from Israel I didn't think anyone would take that seriously. But it's okay because your avatar is Johan.

Delphinus
06-27-2012, 05:15 AM
http://weknowmemes.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/that-awkward-moment-when-your-sarcasm-is-so-advanced-people-actually-think-youre-stupid.jpg

Demonfyre
06-27-2012, 06:15 AM
The Jews are trying to take over the world. It's true.

:O


What about Nevada and Area 51 and secret bases like that :P or is that too general? :L

Kodos
06-27-2012, 07:26 AM
The Jews are trying to take over the world. It's true.
Israel is a Jewish theocracy, America is beholden to Israel, and America is ostensibly trying to take over the world. So you know in a roundabout way with the right outlook the conspiracy sort of holds true. Kinda. If you reach. But what are conspiracy theories if not insane reaching?


:O


What about Nevada and Area 51 and secret bases like that :P or is that too general? :L
Area 51 exists. I'm pretty sure the state of Nevada also exists, but don't hold me to that one.

Shnorkel
06-27-2012, 08:27 AM
Israel is a Jewish theocracy, America is beholden to Israel, and America is ostensibly trying to take over the world. So you know in a roundabout way with the right outlook the conspiracy sort of holds true. Kinda. If you reach. But what are conspiracy theories if not insane reaching?


First, Israel is mostly democratic with theist facets, and there is still struggle within Israel about it's nature, between the theocratic right and the democratic left.

The antisemetic conspiracy that claims that the Jews are aspiring to take control of the world was concieved when the National Socialist (Nazi) party began amassing power in Germany. They also related the Jews with communism and the poor state of economy of Germany at that time. Because the Jewish didn't work in physic jobs such as farming or building, but rather banking and generally the market- it was the perfect thing to latch the antisemitism on. Truth is, it's just the fear and hatred towards the different (the Orthodox Jews wore their attires back then just like they do now) that drove people to despise them so much, not to mention their desparateness created by the terrible economy. The conspiracy theory about the Jews is just another leftover fabrication made in the days of Nazi Germany. I'm actually surprised there are remnants of this conspiracy at all after all this time.

Israel is by far not controlling the USA, but rather the other way around. Besides, the USA is just siding with Israel since it's the only ally and influence they can have in the middle east.
According to what both of us say, the conspiracy theory should be that the Americans are trying to take over the world, not the Jews. :P

Kodos
06-27-2012, 08:50 AM
First, Israel is mostly democratic with theist facets, and there is still struggle within Israel about it's nature, between the theocratic right and the democratic left.
Israel is mostly democratic to a point. But I'll grant you that there is an internal struggle.


The antisemetic conspiracy that claims that the Jews are aspiring to take control of the world was concieved when the National Socialist (Nazi) party began amassing power in Germany.[/quotes]
It's older than that.

[quote]They also related the Jews with communism and the poor state of economy of Germany at that time.
And with rampant capitalism, too. It's one of the hallmarks of fascism and something you see alive and well in America (and Israel) today. The total demonization of the Other. Obama is at once a plutocratic robber baron and a communist. A communist and a nazi. An atheist and a Muslim. So on and so forth.


Because the Jewish didn't work in physic jobs such as farming or building, but rather banking and generally the market- it was the perfect thing to latch the antisemitism on. Truth is, it's just the fear and hatred towards the different (the Orthodox Jews wore their attires back then just like they do now) that drove people to despise them so much, not to mention their desparateness created by the terrible economy. The conspiracy theory about the Jews is just another leftover fabrication made in the days of Nazi Germany. I'm actually surprised there are remnants of this conspiracy at all after all this time.
If you think organized antisemitism began with Nazi Germany you need to learn history ASAP. Nazism was a symptom, not a cause, of a much older problem in Europe and especially Germany.

I mean, hell, you can find lots of really creepy parallels in looking at Isabella and Ferdinand's decree of the expulsion of the Jews, and general Spanish policy towards conversos and moriscos.


Israel is by far not controlling the USA, but rather the other way around.
Any politician who would dare to deny support to Israel, even moral support, is pretty much committing political suicide. America has a lot of influence over Israel, but I'm pretty sure - and do correct me if I am wrong - an Israeli politician can be openly critical of America without ruining their career. No American can openly criticize Israel without dooming their political career.
America is beholden to Israel. Israel may not be able to influence America to support it more than it already does, but it can rest assured that America will never, ever, call it out on its bullshit or demand it stop being a fascist apartheid state.


Besides, the USA is just siding with Israel since it's the only ally and influence they can have in the middle east.
Catch 22. The reason Israel is the only sovereign nation in the Middle East willing to deal with us is because we so unconditionally support Israel. It's like being best friends with the school bully and wondering why no one else wants to be your friend.
Also a, perhaps the, major reason for America's massive pro-Israel lobby is fundamentalist Christianity. It's actually insane right-wing Christians, not Jews, that make up the bulk of America's pro-Israel lobby.


According to what both of us say, the conspiracy theory should be that the Americans are trying to take over the world, not the Jews. :P
I was being facetious.

I don't want this thread to turn into a derail about Israel. But it is worth noting that Israel is a monstrous nation, like America, and like America is a threat to every human being on this planet. Conspiracy theories regarding Israel, like those regarding America, cannot easily be dismissed out of hand because both nations have a long and colorful history of subtle evil.

Of course, that's not to say anything about ZOG conspiracy theories. Israel != Judaism, no matter how much the pro-Israel people like to claim otherwise.

Demonfyre
06-27-2012, 09:20 AM
Area 51 exists. I'm pretty sure the state of Nevada also exists, but don't hold me to that one.

Yeah think they confirmed the existence of such a base but didn't specify it something, research time methinks

Shnorkel
06-27-2012, 09:53 AM
If you think organized antisemitism began with Nazi Germany you need to learn history ASAP. Nazism was a symptom, not a cause, of a much older problem in Europe and especially Germany.


Well of course it's older than that, and when I said 'remnants' I was refering to the conspiracy about the banks, not the actual antisemitism.


an Israeli politician can be openly critical of America without ruining their career. No American can openly criticize Israel without dooming their political career.
I highly doubt that, as America is what is giving Israel political influence in the middle east. The only ones that criticize America in Israel are the primitive and ignorant religious extremists who'd rather put their trust in 'God' rather than the US.


Israel may not be able to influence America to support it more than it already does, but it can rest assured that America will never, ever, call it out on its bullshit or demand it stop being a fascist apartheid state.
Fascist? Do elaborate about why you think Israel is fascist. Also what is your opinion about the Palestinians?


Catch 22. The reason Israel is the only sovereign nation in the Middle East willing to deal with us is because we so unconditionally support Israel.
I highly doubt that. Ever since the Cold War America has sided with Israel in order to gain a foothold in the middle east and hasn't deviated from doing so ever since. (Of course there were other motives as well but that was the main one)


Also a, perhaps the, major reason for America's massive pro-Israel lobby is fundamentalist Christianity. It's actually insane right-wing Christians, not Jews, that make up the bulk of America's pro-Israel lobby.
What motives are there for insane right-wings to support Israel?

I don't wish to get off-topic too much either but you do show knowledge in the topic and it's been long since I've debated with someone who has any clue what he's talking about.

Delphinus
07-02-2012, 04:19 PM
Apparently some people believe the (discredited) Orgone Theory (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orgone). While it makes a great Kate Bush song, it's a truly bizaare thing to believe. Underlying sexual energy of the universe? It's a classic case of projection.

Then again, the same people who believe in Orgone Theory also tend to believe in chemtrails...

WhenRabbitsAttack
07-03-2012, 02:40 AM
america is trying to tkae over the world

no, china is.


one day we will be ruled by chines overlords O___O

Demonfyre
07-04-2012, 02:45 PM
no, china is.


one day we will be ruled by chines overlords O___O

Are we forgetting about Russia?

AlmanacnamedTime
07-04-2012, 03:28 PM
Yes.

Also if this is the conspiracy thread why don't we start a conspiracy?

Demonfyre
07-04-2012, 03:33 PM
We should... But what?

Delphinus
07-04-2012, 05:07 PM
Kill the Batman

WhenRabbitsAttack
07-04-2012, 05:43 PM
companies that make razors have a deal with companies that make moisturizer to make their razors really scratchy so you buy more moisturizer that has a product in it that makes your hair grow faster so you shave with the scratchy razors again.....

everyone wins except the consumer.


my friend found this online somewhere.

ClockHand
07-04-2012, 06:55 PM
companies that make razors have a deal with companies that make moisturizer to make their razors really scratchy so you buy more moisturizer that has a product in it that makes your hair grow faster so you shave with the scratchy razors again.....

everyone wins except the consumer.


my friend found this online somewhere.

Not hard to believe, as many other companies do stuffs like that. Example, there are companies that do scanners and printers that made really good printer/scanner and they sell them in a higher price, but then they place a problem in their built to sell cheaper versions that last less and are also less productive. So people are actually buying the same high price good printer/scanner in a cheaper price that perform worst and that are made to fail after a year. Also the good printer is sold the double than the actual making price.

Delphinus
07-04-2012, 07:38 PM
Not hard to believe, as many other companies do stuffs like that. Example, there are companies that do scanners and printers that made really good printer/scanner and they sell them in a higher price, but then they place a problem in their built to sell cheaper versions that last less and are also less productive. So people are actually buying the same high price good printer/scanner in a cheaper price that perform worst and that are made to fail after a year. Also the good printer is sold the double than the actual making price.

You think that's bad? Certain medicines sell at a 12,000% profit. That's 121 times what it costs to produce them.

ClockHand
07-04-2012, 07:39 PM
I know, in here big pharmacies charge 20 times the price for the products. Reason why every shit someone says about the wrong ethics of a company I have a lot of reasons to believe.

Demonfyre
07-04-2012, 08:18 PM
You think that's bad? Certain medicines sell at a 12,000% profit. That's 121 times what it costs to produce them.

That is ridiculous :O how the hell do they get away with that? :S

Delphinus
07-04-2012, 08:59 PM
Because when you make the only drug that cures a particular really painful illness you can charge whatever the hell you like for it.

WhenRabbitsAttack
07-05-2012, 12:24 AM
D:

that's really crap.
my brother's on chemotherapy, and i can't imagine what the full three year course would cost.

Black_Shaggie
07-05-2012, 04:19 PM
"Jesus was black, Ronald Reagan is the Devil & the government is lyin' about 9-11."

-Huey Freeman

ScantyXKneesocks
07-05-2012, 04:30 PM
The Nostradamus Effect, I think that's completley bogus.

Black_Shaggie
07-05-2012, 04:50 PM
I like this thread. Anybody hear the Illuminati one about entertainers performing satanic rituals for fame (actually heard that Madonna's Superbowl halftime show was a Black Sabbath ritual whatever that means)? Or the one that states that several alien races have live among us for years preparing us for membership in some kind of 'galactic federation'? How about the one about zombie outbreaks happening in random spots all over the world?