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Shindoutou
05-23-2012, 12:42 PM
Hi there, and welcome to my thread!

So. I decided to make a critique thread of my own, I'll post pictures here so you guys can give me pointers or tips on where or how to improve my drawing skills, and maybe you can find errors in pictures where I haven't found them.

That said, let the first art-dump commence!

http://i.imgur.com/Yg1OW.png
http://i.imgur.com/nK7tN.png
http://i.imgur.com/ByTsL.png
http://i.imgur.com/OHe1j.png

So please, if you have any comments on one of these drawings, let me know, because I'm very willing to improve my skills! :)

AlmanacnamedTime
05-23-2012, 12:53 PM
thir picture is tiny heads. also arms are off in same picture.

Shadowsfade
05-23-2012, 12:55 PM
Wow, i love your stuff :D the 2nd pic is cute. For CnC, the third picture of the couple (whilst very cute) their heads are waaay too small compared to their bodies. I also feel like the first guys' arms should be sliiightly longer, fingers tend to reach mid-thigh, but it's pretty much there. I like that wolf-guy thing, very cool :D

JJJorgie
05-24-2012, 09:24 AM
Your very good at drawing faces and clothes! Keep up the great work!

Shindoutou
05-26-2012, 12:20 PM
Thanks for the replies!

I've re-done the third picture, this time on A3 paper instead of A5 :P
Brought a lot of troubles along the way though, as it couldn't fit under my scanner.. Had to scan it in two parts, while still cropping the top and bottom off, and then photoshop it together.. Hope it doesn't show too much ^^;

Here it is, I tried to keep in mind what you said, I think it looks better now.

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/05/Shindoutou-shiromara-updated.png?t=4fc10235abc17

(Her right eye is off, and I messed up the hands. But that's nothing new Dx)

Sylux
05-26-2012, 12:45 PM
They still look pretty super tall but it is definitely better than before

Shindoutou
05-26-2012, 12:49 PM
It might be deceiving on this picture, but they are actually 6.5 heads tall, not what I'd call super tall. But thanks :)

Sylux
05-26-2012, 01:29 PM
Their bodies and proportions are elongated

Shindoutou
06-03-2012, 03:14 PM
Here's a new drawing, done without reference.
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-knight-sketch_500.png?t=4fcbb725b9985

Please tell me where to improve!

Demonfyre
06-03-2012, 04:13 PM
The way the far leg is placed makes it look like the guy is falling over or kneeling weirdly, but I think you were going for a more action pose? Wait to see what other people say as I'm probably wrong but that's the only thing that stands out for me :) the character is looking awesome by the way :)

Shindoutou
06-03-2012, 05:26 PM
I would have drawn his legs completely, but I ran out of paper xD
I tried to make it an action pose, indeed, like he's leaping forward a bit.

Demonfyre
06-03-2012, 07:31 PM
http://i1165.photobucket.com/albums/q599/Demonfyre1/warriorfix.jpg

In the above picture I rotated it a bit so it doesn't look like your character is falling over and that alone seems to fix the problem. Also the blue line is a suggestion of where you could place the leg. Obviously though its your decision but personally I would have placed it somewhere around there. Ignore that green line, it was a mistake :/ hope that helps :)

Shindoutou
06-03-2012, 07:43 PM
Thanks for the help, I will keep it in mind the next time I draw a similar pose! :)

Shindoutou
06-06-2012, 02:19 PM
Here's a new drawing, nothing too special, and it only took two hours, but still worth uploading here, I think.
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2012/158/6/5/girl_on_the_hill_by_shindoutou-d52lnqd.png
I didn't take the time to clean up the ink after I scanned it, but overall I'm pretty content with this one. :)

AlmanacnamedTime
06-06-2012, 03:23 PM
Fingers are weird, hands need to be longer, forearm needs to be shortened. I noticed other stuff(watch the feet) but I think that you have enough to work on for the moment. Sorry if you are no longer content with it.

Mr-Pajamas
06-06-2012, 05:12 PM
Fingers are weird, hands need to be longer, forearm needs to be shortened. I noticed other stuff(watch the feet) but I think that you have enough to work on for the moment. Sorry if you are no longer content with it.
Someone hasn't seen a stylized drawing before... No need to be so harsh. The fingers are fine for the given style. Almanac is right though, the arms could stand to be a bit shorter (usually the wrists start at the crotch). Also, the hands could be bigger, not necessarily longer (remember the hand should be about as big as the face. Lastly, the upper arm could be a tad thicker. The feet are fine if they're drawn the way I think they are and they're that shape due to a stylistic preference. Overall, it's pretty good and definitely worth being content over. Keep at it :3

Demonfyre
06-06-2012, 05:30 PM
Apart from the fingers being too short that is one super awesomely cute character! :D Also maybe you could make the feet a little longer? They look almost like toon link's feet (or lack of) :L I wish I was able to make the hair I draw look as good as yours :)

Shindoutou
06-06-2012, 05:44 PM
Thanks for the replies, guys! The shape of the fingers were indeed a stylistic preference, but you're right about the hands needing to be bigger. Also the arms are too long (but that may also be fixed when i fix the hands), and the upper is thinner than the lower I see now, instead of the other way around.
And with the feet; ehh, I had no idea what I was doing there ^^; At first I was trying to go for front view, but by the time I added the shoes, I probably forgot about that or something. Anyway, thanks for the tips guys!
It's kinda' hard to edit an inked drawing like this, so I'll just keep it in mind for later~

In the meantime, I drew this: (kinda NFSW ;))
http://i.imgur.com/Ha0Mm.png?6624

AlmanacnamedTime
06-07-2012, 12:53 PM
Someone hasn't seen a stylized drawing before... No need to be so harsh. The fingers are fine for the given style. Almanac is right though, the arms could stand to be a bit shorter (usually the wrists start at the crotch). Also, the hands could be bigger, not necessarily longer (remember the hand should be about as big as the face. Lastly, the upper arm could be a tad thicker. The feet are fine if they're drawn the way I think they are and they're that shape due to a stylistic preference. Overall, it's pretty good and definitely worth being content over. Keep at it :3

I'm not being harsh, they really just seem weird. I promise if I were harsh I'd be banned.


@Denno on the picture I will give you one thing:
slightly lower eyebrows.

and remember:
KEEP IT UP, YOU ARE IMPROVING FAST.

Shindoutou
06-11-2012, 02:13 PM
Thanks Al!

Here's a new drawing I made today.

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-img-3-resize-jpg_500.jpg?t=4fd634f4cf28f

I'll try coloring this one in SAI too, later. But first I want to know what to correct in this image, it looks slightly off to me.. ^^;

AlmanacnamedTime
06-11-2012, 02:28 PM
If she's sitting, the legs(and feet) are off, as well as the hand with the hat a bit.
If she isn't sitting, then refer to above and bring her hips forward to make it so she doesn't look like she's falling.


DF summed it up better below.

Demonfyre
06-11-2012, 03:58 PM
Only problem is I cannot tell if she is sitting or standing :L it looks more like a standing pose but I think you need to be very careful with your foreshortening so its easier to tell the difference and also so you don't make mistakes with leg widths and stuff like that, fortunately Mark Crilley made a very useful video recently on the subject of foreshortening (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lvcGW_U3nFs) :)

Other than that everything looks like it's in the right place :) your progressing very fast :D

Shindoutou
06-11-2012, 04:25 PM
Thanks again, I've tried to fix some things up. Tell me if anything got better (or worse)

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-girl-in-the-sun-2-3_500.jpg?t=4fd653fd946c3

Also, I added a quick shadow to indicate that she is standing ;) Gonna fix that shadow in the final artwork though.

Demonfyre
06-11-2012, 04:27 PM
Adding the shadow makes it look much better :) I think your as ready as your gonna be for colouring :)

EDIT: What you could do as long as you pay attention to the perspective is move the legs closer towards each other slightly. Your choice of course though :)

Shindoutou
06-11-2012, 06:18 PM
Yeah, you're right about the legs, though she was intended to stand with her legs spread lightly..

Anyway, I colored it! I've even tried a new coloring method, took a bit more work than usual, but it seems kinda nice.
Added cherry blossoms (horribly drawn ones :P) because I thought it would fit ^^

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-girl-in-the-sun-3-4.jpg?t=4fd66dac147b2

This could be the most time I've ever spent on one drawing..

Demonfyre
06-11-2012, 06:22 PM
That looks excellent Shin :D all I can suggest is maybe that you could blur the blushes a bit it looks a bit weird having them solid in my opinion :) keep up your good work :D

JJJorgie
06-12-2012, 04:14 AM
Wonderful job! This is really cute!!!!

Shnorkel
06-12-2012, 09:42 AM
This looks fantastic! I'm digging her smile+solid blush :)
The shading is somewhat minimal here, for example you could have added more definition to the dress's folds with more shades and highlights. Remember that next time you color- there are some details that aren't enough conspicuous to be drawn with the lines but can be expressed via shading. It's usually found in folds. (If you didn't really understand what I said check the first colored piece in my thread and notice her left (our right) sleeve, where only parts of the folds are drawn with lines and the rest is painted with shades. Look how much more defined the folds look in comparison to when there's no coloring at all)
Anyways the hand is drawn real good and the foreshortening is nicely done. You're getting there :)

Shindoutou
06-12-2012, 12:03 PM
@Shnorkel: Thanks! :D I'll have to look into some reference for shading clothing like that (or shading it at all :P), I understood what you said, don't worry ;)
I'll post again when I've drawn something and the scanner starts working again.. -.-

Shindoutou
06-18-2012, 05:07 PM
Double post omg :O

Here's a drawing I'm working on right now:

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-face-practice-2-3_500.png?t=4fdf97f14adb9
Yeah, it's quite different from what I'm used to draw ^^ It's fun though!

I'm posting a wip because I don't know when I'll finish this, and I won't have a scanner for some time after today.
Started doing this because of this thread (http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?2337-Anatomy-Reference-Practice-Thread.&p=100969#post100969).

Demonfyre
06-18-2012, 05:57 PM
That is very impressive :D there is nothing I can see wrong with it so i'll just say good job! Hope your scanner starts working again soon :)

Matt
06-18-2012, 06:08 PM
I'm kinda speechless. I haven't seen such fast improvement outside of Conceptart.org, like ever.

The blond girl is really nice, but in a foreshortened shot like that, eventually you're gonna want to vary your line weight. Like, draw the closer parts sharper and bigger, and the further parts softer and smaller. Mainly smaller and bigger, though. Almost any blurring gives the sensation of huge distance (or, to a near-sighted person, about half a meter).

Shindoutou
06-29-2012, 08:39 AM
Well hello there, again! Yesterday, I cleaned up one of my drawers, and I found this drawing. I made it on october 10th in 2010 (the date was on the back). I remember I made it to redraw it later, just to see how much I've improved; so I did that today.
This is a nice test to see how much (or little) I've improved in a little over one and a half year, and I've got to say..

I'm kinda happy with the results :D

October 2010
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-img-jpg-2.jpg?t=4feda0ac0d30e

June 2012
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/06/Shindoutou-img-0001-jpg.jpg?t=4feda17b195c1

I think it's mostly because of this forum and the members here that I've managed to improve this much lately, so I just want to say: Thank you all! :D

Anyway, feel free to critique the new drawing, as I want to have at least the same level of improvement when I redraw this in 2014 ;)

WhenRabbitsAttack
06-30-2012, 05:43 AM
you ahve the right to be happy with those results, man! the contrats and improvement is amazing :D

Shindoutou
07-17-2012, 06:07 PM
It's too bad that I'm not regulary updating my own thread, but oh well.

I've sketched some things in SAI, trying to focus more on composition and anatomy rather than details.. or something.
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-knight-doodle-17-7-8_500.jpg?t=5005e20c5d0f9
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-knight-doodle-17-7-2_500.jpg?t=5005e2155a56a
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-girl-doodle-17-7-8_500.jpg?t=5005e220068d5

I hope to upload again tomorrow! :)

JJJorgie
07-18-2012, 02:47 AM
These are really nice! I love the perspective of the first and the eyes of the last especially! One thing that stick out at me on the last is that the head seems to be jutting out too far from the neck, so it looks a little odd. Other than that, everything looks great! Keep up the good work!

Demonfyre
07-18-2012, 02:17 PM
Those look amazing :D I love the way you drew the warriors and the hair and face on the girl :) sorry but I have no critiques to contribute as they all look great to me and I couldn't find anything :) keep up your awesome work!

Shindoutou
07-18-2012, 02:38 PM
Thanks!
@JJorgie: you're right about the neck, I see it as well

Here's the next batch, I love holidays, I finally have actual time to draw xD

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-pose-1-18-7_500.jpg?t=5007020abc404
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-pose-2-18-7_500.jpg?t=5007027a68db9
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-pose-3-18-7_500.jpg?t=500702838236f
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-pose-4-18-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007028c71d62

Shindoutou
07-19-2012, 08:17 AM
Aaa~nd even more :D
(spoilered to prevent page-stretching or something.. making it easier to scroll down? lol)

Two faces:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-2d-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fa4fd87c8
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-3-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fa5846296

A hand:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-2c-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fa855bbac

A sad girl and a happy girl:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-2b-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fa9e40e6e
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-2a-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fab82c659

A boy:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-1-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=5007fac1ebb80

Please critique¬ :D

Shadowsfade
07-19-2012, 11:28 AM
Hey I was just looking through these on the gallery! I know what you mean, I'm finally getting off my butt and drawing a bit more regularly too.

I think the torso on the last guy is a little too long, and I love the two girls in the spoiler above - both have really good emotion, and the second girl is really cute! I already commented on your hand saying I liked it, and the eyes on the very first pic of the guy are great! I think the hands of the last girl and the last guy are a little too small, and I think the last guys' feet are a teensy bit too small. All in all very nice stuff :D

nisaren
07-19-2012, 12:41 PM
Heya! It's always awesome to see someone improving so fast. You're doing great! I think the biggest thing is to continue working on your consistency between drawings. For example in a few of the drawings the hands look great while in a couple others the hands just don't quite match up with the body size. But that's stuff that'll just take time and practice to overcome. Keep it up. I'm looking forward to watching you improve.

Shindoutou
07-19-2012, 03:03 PM
Thanks~
I think consistency comes with practise, and I'm still developing my own style. The hands look awful sometimes because I don't practise them enough ^-^;

I found this meme on deviantart: http://endling.deviantart.com/art/Body-Language-Meme-Envy-301137193
And I tried some of it myself:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-4b-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=500859fed1767
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-sketch-4a-19-7-8_500.jpg?t=50085a07473ca

Demonfyre
07-19-2012, 05:58 PM
Oh using Posemaniacs references are we? :)

First Post:

the first man looks amazing, love the way you drew the arms!

The second girl looks great but watch out for those arms they are a bugger to get correct,

Second Post:

The faces look great, on the first one te hair at te bottom of the face near the chin looks a bit, odd, not sure how best to describe it maybe try to make the clunks flow a bit more and instead of randomly changing direction curve round with the hair?

Hand looks brilliant, wish I could draw hands as well as you :P

Those girls look great and the expressions look like a true anime/manga style :D however on the first one I would say the left breast is a too small.

(unable to load the last one because of my poor connection :()
I hope that this helped somewhat, really they are looking great and your rate of improvement is stunning and makes me want to go and improve as quickly :)

Shindoutou
07-24-2012, 10:30 AM
I've tried some hands a bit, I really need the practise. (used mainly my own hands as reference, at least for the first page)

http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-hands-23-07-jpg.jpg?t=500eb16b02e91
http://www.mangatutorials.com/file/pic/photo/2012/07/Shindoutou-hands-24-07-jpg.jpg?t=500eb0f79b952

JJJorgie
07-24-2012, 10:58 AM
The hands look great and the foreshortening is superb! Keep up the great work!

Shindoutou
08-02-2012, 06:09 PM
So.. I've been wanting to upload new sketches and drawings for more than a week now, but I never got the time.

Now I do have the time, however; the scanner is trolling me. Saying it can't scan because the printer is out of ink.. (dafuq?)

I'll try to upload tomorrow (I'll just edit this post ;)), or else I'll be on vacation for 2-3 weeks.

This is just to let anyone who reads this know I'm still serious about this ;)

Cloudy
08-06-2012, 07:25 AM
Your art is nice! keep it up

Shindoutou
08-13-2012, 08:36 AM
Thanks Cloudy!

I'm back from holiday already, and my scanner is feeling better again :)
So here is the promised sketch dump. Any comments on where to improve are very welcome indeed :D

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/226/4/e/sketchdump_august_2012___part_1_by_shindoutou-d5b1fgc.png
http://fc02.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/226/7/4/sketchdump_august_2012___part_2_by_shindoutou-d5b1fhy.png
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/226/8/e/sketchdump_august_2012___part_3_by_shindoutou-d5b1fj7.png
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/226/6/7/sketchdump_august_2012___part_4_by_shindoutou-d5b1fkh.png
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2012/226/6/a/marunia_by_shindoutou-d5b1fna.png
Today, I went to the art-supply store on impulse, and bought some colored pencils :D
This was the first time I've actually tried to color a face, or hair.. at least with traditional media.
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs71/f/2012/226/4/0/coloring_try_out_by_shindoutou-d5b1fqj.png

Cloudy
08-13-2012, 08:37 AM
digging that colouring!

Demonfyre
08-13-2012, 08:45 AM
Wow they all look great :D the only I suggestion I could make is maybe to add a few more clothing folds on the top of your female OC on the second picture :)

Ah, your work is always so awesome, keep it up :D

Shadowsfade
08-13-2012, 09:13 AM
I lol'd at your printer problem :P loving the new work, especially the last girl you drew with pencil, she's a really cute design. The only thing I can see is the second girl in the second picture, and the second Shiro guy on your first post of him (standing) both have quite small heads relative to their bodies.

Prince of Angels
08-15-2012, 12:01 PM
O_O Nice, exceptional! All the things I was going to mention was already said by those ahead of me. Owell. :3 Keep up the gud work!

Shindoutou
08-20-2012, 04:06 PM
Thanks guys~

I've been busy lately, and so I haven't been drawing much. This is what I made just now:
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2012/233/6/1/from_below_by_shindoutou-d5bx6k0.png
I wanted to try a looking-up perspective, like someone sitting on a branch of a tree.. but I needed some practise for that first ;)
And when I was done, just before I started shading it, I thought I would just color it as well :D

Please tell me how to improve this, as I don't think the pose or the perspective is really right this way. Also any comments on the coloring is welcome as well! Thanks in advance~

Waffles597
08-20-2012, 04:46 PM
It may just be me, but it seems like the arm closest to us is a little too far to the left and seems to be a little too thin for the perspective shot. It also looks to bend a little awkwardly at the elbow (but, then again, it's probably just me...)
I would say that the aforementioned arm should be a little closer to the rest of the body (especially the shoulder), and I think maybe turning a head a little so it looks like she's turned a little farther from us would really help (if that makes sense).
Again, maybe just me, but it also appears that the back arm is a tad longer than it should be.

All in all, though, it looks amazing to me, and I look forward to seeing more good quality stuff like this!

JJJorgie
08-20-2012, 04:53 PM
The lower body doesn't seem to be in the lower perspective. I think foreshorting the waist and the thigh of the closest leg would probably help. I agree with waffles about the far arm being to far from the body and the placement of the close arm is weird. Also, I think the face needs to be put in the same perspective as the body; it looks like you're viewing the face at eye level, not below.

Shindoutou
08-20-2012, 06:03 PM
Okay, thanks for the pointers, I see what you meant.
I've tried this pose again, trying to keep in mind what you guys said, here it is~
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2012/233/1/f/from_below_2_by_shindoutou-d5bxpgt.png
I still think her legs and feet are not in the right perspective though.. I don't really know how to fix that

Demonfyre
08-20-2012, 06:15 PM
Looks great :D The way you have drawn the skin crease on the right leg suggests that the leg is kind of held up but bent away from the viewer which looks pretty akward because of the way she is turned towards us, I would have thought to have unlike the previous sketch, however I'm probably wrong. Also I get the feeling that you shouldn't be able to see the undersides of her shoes because of the way she is turned, but im not completely sure.

Also I'm amazed at how quickly you could redraw a new version so quickly O_o

Shindoutou
08-20-2012, 06:24 PM
Oh yeah, you're right about the crease of her leg.. somehow while drawing I just couldn't get it look right, but now I see it :P
And yeah, the shoes now look as if they are tilted all the way to her left.. to the point of breaking her feet xD
I'd want to redo it again now, but I'm tired so I'll hopefully do it tomorrow.

By the way, one hour for a drawing like that isn't really that fast.. I think.

By the way 2: Does anybody know where to find some sort of reference for a pose like this? I've thought of this pose but I can't find any pictures of how it should look.

Demonfyre
08-20-2012, 06:30 PM
Considering it would take me an hour to get the nude body completed, and then a further hour and a half for clothes and shading, yah I think that's fast :L either that or in ridiculously slow >.>

I have no idea sorry, I have little idea where to look for just general references myself :/

Shindoutou
08-20-2012, 06:39 PM
I normally use danbooru.donmai.us, for it has handy tags I can use to find exactly what I want. It is quite NSWF though.. and I can't find a pose like this on there.

Demonfyre
08-20-2012, 07:11 PM
Awesome :D that site is brilliant! It's going to be a very useful resource :) thanks!

EDIT: Lol I see what you mean by NSFW :L

toast
08-20-2012, 09:25 PM
The face is totally out of perspective, the arm is WAY long, that back leg is totally massive even though its in the back, etc etc. Why didn't you use a ref, or at least put down perspective guidlines and plan out the whole pose?

JJJorgie
08-21-2012, 07:35 AM
I'm pretty sure this is the pose you want:

http://www.posemaniacs.com/archives/1461
To turn it, just click and drag her.

toast
08-21-2012, 05:45 PM
Did you even read? I said I couldn't find any reference for this pose. If you could show me a picture like this I would be grateful, but I don't think that would happen.

Yes, I did read. And JJ posted a reference. But if you're going to jump into a complicated pose like that, there's no point in doing it if you don't have a reference to look back on. And again, it doesn't seem like you used perspective guidelines. Just keep that in mind next time

Shindoutou
02-01-2013, 09:15 AM
Well, this has been a while!

I've been away from here for a while now, and I think it's high time I got back into drawing again and to not be an ass against toast again..

So here is something I drew today, using this as a loose reference: http://sonohara.donmai.us/data/sample/sample-56025537525042e3d80ae7ced3f9b836.jpg

http://th07.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/032/6/6/01_02_13_by_shindoutou-d5tg5e6.jpg
I have drawn alot actually these past few months, and I got some books on anatomy and such, so I'm working on it right now! :D

Sylux
02-01-2013, 09:37 AM
gj looks goods

Shindoutou
02-02-2013, 10:29 AM
thanks, sylux!

Here's another drawing (not shaded yet)
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/033/5/a/02_02_2013_by_shindoutou-d5tkfs9.jpg

Demonfyre
02-02-2013, 01:18 PM
Welcome back Shin :3 it's awesome to see your work again! ^_^

For the sitting girl with the scarf, I think you could put more clothing folds, it is looking a bit bare from that point, also the skirt seems to be a bit flat and unaffected by gravity

For the new one, it looks like the girl to the right facial features aren't properly aligned, and together the arms are a bit linear.

Shindoutou
02-02-2013, 01:41 PM
Hey, thanks for the tips, though I don't know what you mean exactly with the linear arms? You mean as they miss curviness? 'Cause I'd agree with that :P

I colored it by the way, since I had nothing to do:
http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/033/e/a/02_02_2013_color__d_by_shindoutou-d5tl41d.jpg

Demonfyre
02-02-2013, 01:51 PM
Yeah :3 I meant that they are rather cylindrical and the muscle masses they are composed of don't really show ^^;

I'm sure you are aware of what an arm looks like :L but i'm going to put this image here anyway for you;

http://hippie.nu/~unicorn/tut/img/basics/humananatomy/arm-muscles.jpeg
http://hippie.nu/~unicorn/tut/img/basics/humananatomy/arm-muscles.jpeg

Sylux
02-02-2013, 03:03 PM
super kawaii man I'm lovin' it

Shindoutou
02-16-2013, 02:29 PM
Drew this today, and played around a little in photoshop portable. I hope the anatomy is improving :)
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/047/a/1/rainy_mood_by_shindoutou-d5v5jww.jpg

JJJorgie
02-16-2013, 03:12 PM
This is cute!! The hands are a little too small and her head may be just a bit too big.

Phoenix
02-18-2013, 01:24 PM
Looking great!! But I have a few thought I would like to share. Took the liberty of doing a redline to show it!
Hope this helps, and keep in mind, that the lines I drew, are maybe not how they should be, but are only there to give you the idea. (hope you can read what i wrote :P )
http://i232.photobucket.com/albums/ee210/AtokLanzeros/redline_zps1210233f.jpg

Sylux
02-18-2013, 01:59 PM
I think the head was supposed to be looking up

Phoenix
02-18-2013, 02:13 PM
I think the head was supposed to be looking up

Minor detail..
The idea was to give him an impression of how big the head should be..

Sylux
02-18-2013, 02:20 PM
oic

Demonfyre
02-18-2013, 02:41 PM
Well if the head is looking up then the chin could probably benefit from being less pointy and possibly seeing a bit of the underside of the head.

Shindoutou
02-18-2013, 04:19 PM
Woo thanks Phoenix! :D That's definitely very clear and helpful.
Demon also thanks for the tip, I'll keep this all in mind the next time

Sedistra
02-18-2013, 10:23 PM
That head position from that particular pose+angle doesn't work out well in manga.

That head position breaks the style, so you see a lot of manga artists do that pose from profile or from bird's-eye.

The more extreme the angle, the more it breaks. You'd have to switch more and more into semi-realism to pull that off.

theAnimeRebel
02-21-2013, 12:58 PM
^^^^ *Shakes head* Not true. This pose/angle is perfectly fine. (Although, perhaps a little boring/overdone) And it wouldn't be semi-realism style until you've gone down to an extreme worm's eye view + added huge boobs. heh.

As long as her head is looking up, it works. Once you shift it down (Like the redline) you break the impression you were going for. (Innocence/sadness) So follow the redline, but keep the angle of the head.

Sedistra
02-21-2013, 06:07 PM
Not quite.

Anime doesn't have a response to the jawbone by itself. The more and more of it you show(ie the more you make a character tilt their head upwards) , the more you have to look outside of anime to properly render it in a tasteful fashion.

That's why "Bottom-up" head poses are never shown in anime/manga. They're always done from the profile view, or from a bird's eye (Or intermediate views within a certain degree) view so they can hide the neck behind the face.

Shindoutou
02-22-2013, 09:31 AM
Heavy discussions here.. :P You have a point Sedistra, I don't see many manga/anime-style pictures with heads looking up, and I can't seem to find them when I look for them. But it doesn't mean I can't draw from that angle, I just need to improvise, and indeed maybe combine different styles to get it right.
But that's just what I think.

For now, I've been practising some body parts, so go ahead and tell me where to improve ^^;
http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=534&d=1361543410http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=535&d=1361543410http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=536&d=1361543410
And some females:
http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/attachment.php?attachmentid=537&d=1361543410

Demonfyre
02-22-2013, 12:34 PM
Hmm, my first question is whether or not you are using references for that muscle/body practice? If you aren't then I highly suggest using them and not attempting to guess, well... not until you are completely confident with them. Also again i'm not sure whether you are doing this or not, but I think you should be trying to concentrate highly on the 3D forms of the body, in particular with the muscles. On the torso with the muscles it looks like a bit like a body with muscles tattooed on afterwards. Personally I would also try not to stylize, but I guess that is your choice. I like the girl sketches at the bottom, interesting poses, I also really like them feet. Not really a critique... but oh well, hope it helps.

Shindoutou
02-22-2013, 07:07 PM
To your first question: yes, I am using reference (my imagination is not that rich ;)); a book on anatomy of the human body. This book shows the internal muscle structure (though simplified a bit), and how it shows on the outside.
I ultimately do want to go for a stylised style (lol), but you might be right that it's better to first learn to draw realisticly, and then simplifying..
Thank you for your comments :D

Shindoutou
03-26-2013, 04:04 PM
Here is one of those occasional sketch-dumps again! :D
Some girls again, characters I've designed myself, and am still in the progress of designing them :P

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/085/f/6/panda_by_shindoutou-d5zcurr.jpg
I'm using quite rough paper, so the color doesn't look as clean as I'd like..
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/085/d/f/marunia_by_shindoutou-d5zcuul.jpg
Something went wrong with the coloring here, added too much green I think ^^;
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/085/c/b/raven_by_shindoutou-d5zcuwz.jpg
Tried one of them famous tsundere faces:
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/085/4/e/tsundere_face_by_shindoutou-d5zcv3w.jpg
And a nice sexy pose :3
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2013/085/6/d/seduce_by_shindoutou-d5zcv60.jpg

Untill next time! Thanks for replying in advance :3

Blue_Dragon
03-26-2013, 09:57 PM
I really love your style! All the characters look very well fleshed out, and well done! I only have one thing I can point out--in the first one, it looks like her ear is a bit out of place, like it's sticking out too far, judging by where here jaw goes in before the tuft of hair comes down.

The only other thing I'd like to see, though is certainly privy to your preference, is some of your art maybe inked! They look fantastic! And I'd like to see how well it transfers to another medium :3 But that's just a suggestion, and certainly not anything you'd have to do to keep improving. Mostly, I think you stuff looks great!

Shindoutou
03-27-2013, 03:44 PM
Thanks Blue_Dragon! I see what you said about the ear, it is out of place indeed, thanks for pointing that out!

I've sketched some more today:
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/086/f/9/comfort_by_shindoutou-d5zgp5o.jpg
http://th08.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/086/5/4/model_by_shindoutou-d5zgp8e.jpg
And I've tried to draw leather for the first time in my life, using this as a bit of reference: http://lynfir.deviantart.com/art/Leather-Armor-Front-121105962
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/086/8/9/huntress_by_shindoutou-d5zgpcq.jpg

TheVermillionFox
03-27-2013, 04:17 PM
Pretty, though.
I think that if you're drawing leather maybe you should give it a certain texture? It might be hard on paper though.

Blue_Dragon
03-27-2013, 08:09 PM
^I agree with the texture. But the stitches and all are looking fantastic!

One other thing I might suggest, and this is just being picky, is to do the same thing on the left side of her head that you did on the right (technically, what you did on her left side.) Although her hair is skimmed back very tight, I think you should add some of those "bumps" you did to give it just a little more volume. Even if you're hair's tight tight, it's going to rise off you head just a wee bit.

But seriously, that's a nit pick. These sketches are far better than any of my "finished" drawings! Superb work! I'm becoming a fan. Have you a deviantart page? :3

BunnyVoid
03-27-2013, 11:56 PM
wow nice gesture and emotion on the first draw. i like your drawings, characters seem natural. pose possess some fluidity :3
tho you may need to research more on the details... be careful to make cloth like paper... too thin... try looking into more reference pictures to get that depth in clothing... i love the concept so far... now execution just needs to be buffered :3

Shindoutou
04-09-2013, 06:30 PM
Thanks for the feedback!

Here are two more sketches from today, I got more lying here, but forgot to scan them ^^;
maybe tomorrow.
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2013/099/b/a/china_dress_by_shindoutou-d611efw.jpg
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2013/099/1/0/chair_by_shindoutou-d611eix.jpg

AlmanacnamedTime
04-10-2013, 08:00 AM
Osashiburi!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Keep drawing man. Nice to see someone that hasn't surpassed me in my absence.

JJJorgie
04-11-2013, 12:36 AM
Too cute!

On the first: Try not to curve the shoulders so much (add some width and structure, if that makes sense). Raise the eye on the right just slightly and curve the bottom of that iris to match the other. Raist the mouth and nose a bit. The widths of the forearms and the calfs are different from each other.

On the second: Raise the mouth a little. The far eye should be the same height as the closer one (it's a little shorter). The forearm should be slightly longer than the upperarm (you have it vice versa)

Shindoutou
04-12-2013, 08:01 AM
@Al: Okaerinasaiiii!!! And thank you for your kind words xD
@JJJ: Thank you for the tips, I'll pay some more attention to those areas next time.

Some more sketches I did! :3 Spoilers to make it all easier to scroll down ;)
http://th06.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/102/b/f/untitled_by_shindoutou-d61ey5h.jpg
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/102/0/a/untitled_by_shindoutou-d61eycd.jpg
I know her top is not right, but don't know exactly what it is:http://th05.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2013/102/c/8/untitled_by_shindoutou-d61ey9x.jpg
http://fc07.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2013/102/7/2/untitled_by_shindoutou-d61ey7w.jpg

Shindoutou
04-27-2013, 02:06 PM
Another sketchdump! :D

Spoilered to make this page easier to scroll through :P
http://i.imgur.com/mNkTWQO.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/HvQh1tX.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/yJoA67U.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/3YJsb5H.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/AK7shF8.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/a6UZfGo.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/aWuW5c3.jpg

Critiques are very welcome, as always :)

JJJorgie
04-29-2013, 10:13 PM
The last two are great! I love them! :)

On the first, his arms look different lengths and his far eyes is too slanted, throwing the perspective off. On the second, I think the bent leg should start a little higher. On the third, her ear's shape looks unnatural and I think her nose should be more prominent. Fourth, her ear's a bit low and her legs are extremely skinny.
Fifth picture, the eyes should be the same length in height. Sixth drawing, the legs should different lengths; if the far thigh is going to be that much shorter, it should probably be angled out more or something.

Hope these help! Keep up the great work!

Shindoutou
08-06-2013, 06:28 AM
Was on holiday in the beautiful Portugal, plenty of anatomy references on the beach there :P
http://i.imgur.com/gtOvWe9.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/F4D8G8I.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/4l5l5vh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/dtWi6Ia.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/SrP2ZIS.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/lgTB7Ig.jpg
Also saw a beautiful magpie, decided to draw it:
http://i.imgur.com/3DpYJ1f.jpg
And some more sketches/studies of random stuff.
http://i.imgur.com/z95FLYM.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/YCInSnU.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/V5yMvYh.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/7JE33Mc.jpghttp://i.imgur.com/1UzYxBH.jpg
And some 30-second gestures
http://i.imgur.com/LNRDEKG.jpg
That's all for now, feel free to point out anything you think might help me improve :)

Cloudy
08-06-2013, 08:52 AM
These are really good, just keep practicing and you will improve fast :>

JJJorgie
08-06-2013, 10:17 AM
You've got your style down pretty pat! I think the main thing you should focus on is drawing better hands. Yours tend to be neglected compared to the rest of the body, as if rushed or like you don't really know how to draw them in certain positions so you pick a really simple blockish one. I admit that sometimes I do this, too. Try to make a study of hands, like as a daily warmup :)

AlmanacnamedTime
08-06-2013, 01:41 PM
I concur with JJ.

Shindoutou
08-11-2013, 04:59 PM
You've got your style down pretty pat! I think the main thing you should focus on is drawing better hands. Yours tend to be neglected compared to the rest of the body, as if rushed or like you don't really know how to draw them in certain positions so you pick a really simple blockish one. I admit that sometimes I do this, too. Try to make a study of hands, like as a daily warmup :)

Alright then, here's today's hand study :3
http://i.imgur.com/g7QnEZh.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/iwK6ocV.jpg

Edit:
And today's as well:
http://i.imgur.com/Lz6eiYc.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/1FISPlz.jpg

JJJorgie
08-14-2013, 01:34 AM
Oh, wow!! Looking much better!! :) I think you should focus on the thumbs a little more. They tend to be a bit inconsistent and misshapen