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04-19-2012, 10:23 PM

It's currently a work in progress and I know I could do better, but it's the first time I've ever drawn an angle like this. I do everything in SAI and very rarely scan paper sketches. What does everyone think? (It's very unlucky to compliment a work in progress, brace yourselves, or me. I should brace myself.)

04-20-2012, 01:22 AM
The angle looks great and the eyes are beautiful! Though, I can't really tell what's going on with the arms.

04-20-2012, 01:26 AM
have you been playing Katawa Shojo

04-20-2012, 01:32 AM
Yes. Yes I have. And thanks Jorgie~. Rin doesn't have arms. Hehe.

04-20-2012, 01:53 AM

I love this drawing and I'm very proud of it. But I can't quite pick out what is wrong with it... I see something wrong with the head maybe but I'm not sure. What do you all think?

04-20-2012, 03:00 AM
Head's too large. You're doing fine. Keep practicing.

04-20-2012, 08:04 AM
Looking good--you tackle odd positions, which isn't easy.

I agree with Hamachi, the head is a little big...I think it's also sticking out too much (like it's out of line with the neck.) Maybe work on aligning the spine a little bit. Nice details. I think her left foot (our right) should be a little bit bigger, since it's closer to us.

Neat drawings :)

04-20-2012, 11:28 AM
Thank you all for the help~! I did notice the left foot on the second one and I'll try to fix it somehow..

04-21-2012, 02:25 AM
One thing to add: I think the whole "character with no arms" thing is TOTALLY awesome, but make sure you draw other vcharacters with arms to keep in practice!

04-22-2012, 08:05 PM
Thanks Jorgie~! Will post more soon~.

04-22-2012, 08:10 PM
Something is really amiss... Can anyone see what's wrong? Other than the background?


04-22-2012, 08:15 PM
Yeah you keep drawing the same dude

04-22-2012, 08:22 PM
Want to see me draw arms? I need practice...


04-22-2012, 08:36 PM
Not too bad. :) His right (my left) arm (the upper portion at least) is longer than the other.

04-22-2012, 08:38 PM
draw more phead

04-22-2012, 10:28 PM
Firstly, I will draw more Pyramid and secondly, I did this drawing here as a commission for a friend and she loves it. But I can't help but see multiple things wrong with it that I can't fix... Can anyone spot them for me? I think the breasts may be slightly wrong and something else I can't quite find.

Edit: Yes I know about the left hand derp. I'm still practicing arms and hands so... you know.


04-22-2012, 10:53 PM
Her left (our right) breast is lower than the other, but she isn't leaning. Also, if her right (our left) is out to the side, than the other leg's knee shouldn't be as far back. Then again, if the left is more in front, the thigh should be shorter.

At least, that's how I see it.

04-22-2012, 11:11 PM
Oh thank you~! I'll fix it up with your suggestions and re-upload to my gallery sometime soon! ^3^

04-23-2012, 12:11 AM
Sounds good. I'm looking forward to seeing it!

04-23-2012, 12:29 PM
Heya! Keep up the good work. I like the looseness of your sketches and your use of perspective and pose makes the drawings look a lot more dynamic. I have a some specific suggestions for a couple of the drawings.

(Post #11) I like the use of perspective here, however, it looks like you have competing vanishing points. The background and the character perspective don't appear consistent.

(Post #16) Her shoulders look too broad to me. In that pose, her left (our right) shoulder would be pushed backwards further as well. Also her hips seem very small in comparison to her shoulders which gives her a more masculine look. I personally prefer the shoulders to be slightly narrower than the hips on women as it makes them look more feminine.

At any rate, keep up the good work. :)

04-23-2012, 07:38 PM
Ahaa, oh wow, thank you for noticing that @Post #16. That gives me quite a bit to fix up and hopefully it will all turn out, I honestly never would have noticed the problem with the hips and shoulders. And for Post #11, That's basically the first time I've ever done a background with a drawing that wasn't a vector with the pen tool. I could try using a grid and see how it comes out. Thanks for taking the time to write that~.

04-23-2012, 08:07 PM
Here's another thing I've been working on. I went over the initial sketch so it would be more like line art and I was hoping if you could tell me if any of the proportions are out of if anything is misplaced so I can fix it before I colour it. I'm not exactly good at critiquing my own work. Thank you~.


04-23-2012, 09:52 PM
I know it's not the best, but I've never drawn interior before. I tried to go for a smashed up room kind of feel but lack the imagination required to draw a large variety of things. I guess there isn't a lot to critique in this image but it would be nice to get some ideas and suggestions to kick start my membrane.


04-23-2012, 10:09 PM
Better than any perspective work that I've ever done! Though, if you're going for a smashed up room, maybe go for some scratches or cracks on the wall...?

04-23-2012, 10:13 PM
Ooooh, I was going to do that but I'm lazy when it comes to art which is why I sketch. Haha, kidding, I just love the look of sketches, but I'll try it out~! And add some blood! Wahahaha~

04-23-2012, 10:23 PM
Oh yes. Blood's always good!

04-24-2012, 10:54 AM
First drawing I have ever coloured and I'm quite proud of it! I'll keep practising and hopefully be good enough to actually get noticed. I think I need more shading on the skin...


04-24-2012, 11:49 AM
Hey, nice coloring job. It turned out pretty nicely although I agree that there needs to be more shading on the skin. Pretty awesome for your first attempt.

Looking at your interior drawing in post #23, I really think you need to take the time to study perspective. I added some quick perspective lines over top your piece to give you an idea of what I'm talking about.


04-24-2012, 11:53 AM
Oh thanks! Although I am fairly unfamiliar with perspective and I'm currently learning it in VCD. Sorry! Gotta go!

04-24-2012, 12:10 PM
No need to apologize. I'm not sure what you mean by "VCD" but learning perspective isn't terribly difficult. Just takes a little practice. It can get a bit complex when you get past 3 point perspective to 4-5 point perspective though.

04-24-2012, 02:48 PM
4-5 point perspective makes me dizzy lol.. but yeah, exactly what Nisaren said. My advice on starting with perspective is just going through the basics. Horizon line, vanishing point... squares & rectangles.. once you understand how the basic process works.. or rather the mechanics.. the actual craft tends to speed up :) and then there's a few tricks of the trade later on down the road once you get used to basics :D.

Keep it up, you got the eye for seeing in 3-D! Good stuff :3

04-25-2012, 11:57 AM
One thing I noticed on the kissing picture is their breasts are placed much too high, if you look at photos of girls you will notice that there is quite a large space above girls chests no matter the size of the breasts.

04-25-2012, 10:59 PM
Her legs look broken don't they? ;n; This is a commission for a friend on DeviantART and I want it to be perfect. Does anyone know how I can fix the left leg? I find placement difficult.


04-26-2012, 10:03 AM
they look too short for her upper body

04-26-2012, 08:01 PM
Phew.. Thanks for noticing that.. ;n; .... My body proportioning is so bad I'm gonna cry..

04-26-2012, 08:32 PM
Hmm, I'd say you want to add some more bulk to her legs as well. They seem very narrow compared to her torso and it's making her look a bit doll-like. Her left forearm is a smidge too long as well. I like her clothes though; her top in particular is looking good.

Its a bit taller than your figure there, but have a slightly alarming skinless mannequin, in case it helps any:


04-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Thankyousomuch! I might have to redraw the legs but I think they might come out well after that hopefully. Although I already coloured it, but I guess recolouring after in edit is less drastic than submitting what I currently have done.. Phew.. And the left arm will be a smidge to fix c: I guess I'm not that perceptive. Hehe.

04-26-2012, 08:38 PM
Also, if you stretched both of her legs out straight, her left (our right) leg would be much shorter than the other.

04-26-2012, 08:42 PM
OMG... Haha, I can see that now... *cries*

04-26-2012, 08:46 PM
There, there, everyone makes mistakes ;) I always use my fingers to find the length of one body part to compare it with the other. it's not the most scientific measuring system, but I find it pretty helpful.

04-26-2012, 08:49 PM
I'm too lazy to do that on a computer c: Now make a DeviantART so we can be best friends.

04-26-2012, 08:57 PM

04-26-2012, 09:06 PM
N'aww. Don't grr me. That's my best comeback.

04-26-2012, 09:07 PM
What about a roar?

04-26-2012, 09:08 PM
You're the rawr to my dinosawr.

04-26-2012, 09:10 PM
I get that a lot ;)

04-26-2012, 09:13 PM
I bet you do with that alluring art of yours.

04-26-2012, 09:17 PM
Ha, not so much

04-26-2012, 09:18 PM
Will you marry me?

04-26-2012, 09:20 PM
Haha, I only accept proposals in person!

04-26-2012, 09:22 PM
Will you marry me in person then? c:

04-26-2012, 09:24 PM
I only accept proposal if there's a promise of my favorite food involved!

04-26-2012, 09:27 PM
Promise is promised~! And other thingies~!

04-26-2012, 09:36 PM
Oh reallly? Can you be more specific on what exactly is promised?

04-26-2012, 09:42 PM
I promised that your favourite food will be involved c: Now will you marry me?

04-26-2012, 09:44 PM
Only if you can answer me this. What is my favorite food?

04-26-2012, 09:48 PM
Manga and anime....? ;u; ... Forever alone... Okay uuuuuuuh... El Rancho Su Majestad El Taco?

04-26-2012, 09:50 PM
BEEEPPP! Wrong answer. But here's your consolation prize: an imaginary hug! Besides... I believe this is a critque thread, so POST MORE BEAUTIFUL ART!!!!!

04-26-2012, 10:36 PM
Just need to know one thing. Is there anything wrong with the head? D: I always find things wrong with something when I finish it, like the sitting girl sketch and now I can't continue it, so some feedback would be nice.


04-27-2012, 01:58 AM
... I always find things wrong with something when I finish it...

^This is a good thing, trust your gut, scrap it and move on :). In this case there is nothing really wrong with it, except maybe the placement of the ear, alternatively the foreshortening of the opposite jaw/cheek. But if it didn't turn out how you wanted it to, just try again or put it away and draw something else. That is what I usually do at any rate :)

04-27-2012, 03:59 AM
stop posting this in public and get a room,you two C:

04-27-2012, 12:18 PM
no really...
please stop spamming this is the CRIT section so art related topics and discussions only (even if it is your thread) if you want to chit chat please start your own thread on chatterbox and talk there or pm/email eachother download msn, etc.

This is a warning.

thank you.

04-30-2012, 10:23 PM
What does everyone think? Took a tutorial through Manga University on female body proportions. I'm improving pretty quickly and will practice this more.


05-01-2012, 02:29 AM
Not bad! :) You could probably make the hips a bit wider depending on the character.

05-01-2012, 07:39 AM
Armpits too low,, The correct position of the armpit should be above the breast or something...
And remember breast lines would connect to the biceps
Also the colar bone is in the wrong position.
Remember that it only rises in V form if the person is rising her arms or just rising her shoulders... it your drawing it doesn't look anything like that.

05-01-2012, 09:00 AM
Oh thanks I didn't see that, dangit xD Also thanks for the reference image! Hehe

05-06-2012, 08:06 PM
Okay everyone! This is a revised version of the first image I uploaded here. I changed it around a bit though obviously, considering she has arms now and yes, I know her head is a bit skewed but I found it gave a cuter effect than if I had it straight, I dunno. Is there anything still off? All this is really helping though, I'm improving pretty quick xD


05-06-2012, 08:15 PM
yeah, I think if you straitened the mouth a bit, it would make the face look a lot better. All in all, it's adorable!

05-06-2012, 08:19 PM
I think her left arm feels very stiff O: and it sorta feels broken near the collarbones, maybe it has something to do with your previous critics 08. Well, its still pretty cute, I really like your art :3 neko!!! Edit: the arm might simply be too long but im not sure

05-06-2012, 08:24 PM
Ooooh! Thank you! c: ... I hope to soon be good enough that nobody can find any mistakes! I'll fix it up ^3^ I'll upload another in celebration~!

05-06-2012, 08:32 PM
I have been dreading to upload this... ;n; ... Buuuut! If I hope to improve I must upload! Well, the angles are stiff, the shirt looks as though it weighs nothing, the left arm is way outta line and I don't know how to fix it! xD Oh gawsh help me, wahahaha~!


05-06-2012, 08:35 PM
Yeah, the girl on the right's butt looks lumpy. It may need to stick out more (?) and connect more smoothly with her back.

05-06-2012, 08:37 PM
Oh yeah I can see that now >3< Shwam! I have a lot to practice, I need a volunteer for modelling. xD Jorgie?

05-06-2012, 08:41 PM
I don't do good as a model, sorry! Also, the girl on the right's right arm looks strange. Maybe too thin? And, if you make her left arm closer to her body, it's upper portion a bit thicker, and her shoulder bigger, it'll look a lot better. I think...

05-06-2012, 08:46 PM
Oh god whyyyyy!? :,c ... All these things are so obvious, wahaha, thanks Jorgie c: ... I guess I'm not so adept at the back view of a nearly naked lady. Hur hur. Well, here is something to ease the tension! A little horribly done cyborg, very cheesy and has a deformed and very inefficient wing xD

Also his right hand is weird. I can't draw hands on that angle, no matter how hard I try. anyone know how to fix that?


05-06-2012, 08:53 PM
Gosh, I have trouble with that angle too!

05-07-2012, 04:01 AM
i can! find a person with hands that you like (creepy,right T-T) and get then to pose for you. bring a camera, and take as many different shots of the same positions as you can, all from different angles. also, i'll do hand drawings on request, so i'll post a photo of that position soon. hope this helps ;D

05-07-2012, 11:38 PM
Those girls do not look very feminine because they don't have very wide hips, they dont have to be super wide just wide enough to tell it's meant to be a girl.

05-08-2012, 05:06 AM
the average body shape for a girl should resemble an egg, with the shoulders fitting in the point, and the hips fitting in the base. the slimmer the character, the smaller the hips will look.
average build = egg shaped (see above)
slim build=rectangular(shoulders and hips are equivalent)
muscular build= slightly v shaped(hips slightly smaller than shoulders)

05-08-2012, 06:35 AM
D'aw thanks everyone! I've done a little practice! Except for the feet which I need to practice more, what do you think? c,:


05-08-2012, 08:32 AM
Cute!!! You might want to try making the waist and hips all 1 smooth line.

05-09-2012, 03:10 AM
lovin ur perspective on the legs ;) they look really good! those two inner lines you placed on the groin don't need to be there though.
also, since shes female, the deltoids(muscles positioned at the top of the arm) don't need to bulge out so much.

her body seems slightly out of proportion with her head. unless it's drawn that way for a reason, the general rule of thumb is to make the shoulders, starting from the center of the neck, 2 head's width in length. hope this helps :D

05-10-2012, 12:27 AM
Wahahaha~! Thank you so much for the critique! Although the head is meant to be a bit larger because it's my own anime style I'm getting into, nyuhu. Sorry! Gotta go!

05-11-2012, 02:06 AM
Okay everyone, I'm really not good at colouring but if I hope to improve I have to give it a shot. Does anyone have any good ideas for colouring techniques in Paint Tool Sai? Mainly because I can't seem to get it looking right, shading is difficult to place. I'll upload a cell shading image next, hopefully you'll know where I went wrong. *The Chest* Wahahaha~.


05-11-2012, 02:09 AM
^ Don't forget the upload above this one.

Please critique my colouring D: I'm very new to shadow placement.


05-11-2012, 04:05 AM
You did a great job on the coloring, really you did. However, I think the one above your newest addition looks a bit like if Powder tried to get a spray tan, and didn't do all that great. I think you should darken the lighter areas of his face and neck a little. However that's just my opinion.

05-11-2012, 04:10 AM
i love the line art on ur ginger character ^3^! however, you r missing a few shadows here and there. the light appears to be originating from the upper-left hand corner, so his right cheek and right shoulder should have larger shadows than the left one.

on your second character, his head is a bit wrong in the placement. also, his colouring does'nt appear harmonious, which makes it less asthetically pleasing, but ur folds all appear to be spot on! great work!

05-11-2012, 09:27 AM
This isn't about coloring, but the newest ones left arm looks really short. When people put their hand on their hip, it usually sticks out the side. From the look of it, I'd say you were trying to make it look like it was back, which would be very uncomfortable in real life. Also, the left (our right) hand is upside-down. The thumb should be on top.

05-15-2012, 09:11 PM
Thank you all for the critiques. It really does help. I can see quite clearly the shortness of the left arm and the shading on both is significantly out of place xD Here's concept design for a manga me and my friend are working on. It's called Tenshi no Tetsuya (Angel's All Night Vigil). I can see something off with the right arm and the legs are horrible. I need more variety in pants and should probably practice placement more.


05-15-2012, 11:41 PM
The one on our right's right (his) arm needs to be angled lower. The way the arm is angled kind of upwards would make the arm visible above the other's shoulder and probably position the hand differently. It'd be just a minor fix, but angling it downward would really help! ( Hope you could understand this! xD )

05-16-2012, 02:41 AM
the guy on the left, his right(our left) arm appears too short. a more natural placement of the arm would be with the elbow pointing backwards instead of out to the side. also, their torso seem quite small compared to their heads.

05-21-2012, 09:55 PM
Wahaha, thanks y'all. I'm hopeless at arm angles, but I'll get there. I really dislike the unnatural look of my drawings, it makes me unhappy. GAH BODY PROPORTIONS.

05-22-2012, 02:39 AM
I feel you, Rin. Arms can be pretty tricky to place at times!

05-22-2012, 06:20 AM
hey rin, do you use posemaniac.com? it's quite a good reference ^-^

also, i memorised basic human proportions a little while back so i'll type them down here:
baby=3-4 heads tall
child=4-5 1/2 heads tall
teenager=6-7 heads tall
adult=7-8 1/2 heads tall

8 1/2 heads tall should be reserved for powerful adult males. and my best rule of thumb for girls is that for a perfect hourglass figure, the waist should be as wide as the thickest part of the thigh, and the shoulders should be either equivalent or slightley less then the pelvis :)

05-24-2012, 09:50 PM
Thanks again everyone. And I have good reference Rabs, but the hourglass figure part helped, not so good with shapes.
I've been practising colouring a lot. This is one of my WIP's. Critiques please! Wahaha. Dang, I need to post more.


05-24-2012, 09:55 PM
Awww, so cute! I'm not too good at coloring, so no critiques here.

05-24-2012, 11:14 PM
Oh hey I didn't know you were into MLP, Rin. We can be best friends now.

05-26-2012, 09:40 AM
Hay everypony. Well I finished that last drawing I did... I'm so bad at backgrounds it hurts.. Haha... How to do? Anypony?


05-26-2012, 12:11 PM
nobody here likes ponies except for me, you, and Sparky :(

05-26-2012, 12:42 PM
I like MLP, sylux. And, really great job, Rin!

05-26-2012, 01:07 PM

05-31-2012, 11:29 PM
I was doing this for a friends birthday although that has passed a bit from now. So I want to just get it done and give it to her. I guess I'm okay with Fluttershy's anatomy, but I need help with perspective. I want it to look more like she's leaning against a wall looking down a hallway but it's facing up too much. Any idea on how to fix this?


06-01-2012, 02:25 AM
Sorry, I don't know how to help you, but I wanted to say that this is super cute and really good so far!

06-01-2012, 05:21 AM
this is looking good! the upper torso seems a bit to forshortened.

06-01-2012, 04:01 PM
Haha thanks, yeah. I did kinda notice that..

06-01-2012, 09:02 PM
I think it looks good as it is, I can't see anything wrong with the perspective, however i'm no expert :/ my sister would love this picture :P

06-02-2012, 03:34 AM

Yeah, so to answer your question about perspective; it's all about the placement of the horizon line. You'll get it from the picture^. Push it down even further if you want less floor.

Second thing is that the spine of the upper torso don't match up with where the spine is supposed to protrude from the lower torso. Again, picture.

And yeah, I want to endorse you for drawing stuff based on more simple geometry like this, even though I really doesn't understand the fascination a lot of people seem to have for the subject matter. I think it will help you a lot with the understanding on how to draw stuff in 3d-space

06-07-2012, 02:11 AM
Aaaah thank you! This helps so much! Haha. The perspective alone is enough to get me going for next time I try an angle like that. Haha, and I was kind of just experimenting with Fluttershy's angle but yeah, I should start considering the spine. Huhu, well, I'll continue to practice ^3^

06-07-2012, 02:25 AM
Practising painting in photoshop and female bodies. Haha, Critiques please? c:

06-07-2012, 12:52 PM
Great job!!! Two things real quick: You might want to make the hip a tad wider on her left side (our right) and her right hand looks a little broken.

And, not that great at critiquing coloring :)

06-07-2012, 08:43 PM
she looks like she's tucking her chin into her neck, but all the body anatomy looks great! i think the colouring looks fine, but like jj, i'm no expert ^-^

06-08-2012, 04:14 AM
Thanks guise x3 I can see the chin thing now. I can define and fix that easy though c: I need help with hair.. Is so hard.. ;n;


06-08-2012, 05:43 AM
^ that is cool. if sy were here, he'd give you a bro-hoof.

06-08-2012, 09:27 AM
That is shockingly awesome :O and yeah look forward to that brohoof!

Are you constructing them completely in photoshop or are you drawing them out and then applying colour etc?

06-08-2012, 03:45 PM

06-15-2012, 05:23 AM
I draw them completely from scratch in Photoshop x3 Hehe thankies peoples~!

06-28-2012, 07:34 PM
Hey everyone! I haven't been on in a while mainly because I choose not to put MT ahead of my DeviantART. However, I have been drawing a LOT but mostly on paper so I haven't uploaded a lot. Here's something older I did, mainly just need a critique. Thanks!


06-28-2012, 07:56 PM
Looks great! Though I think it's look better if you turned the human portion more to the right. It kind of looks awkward that the horse portion is sideways while the human portion is pretty much frontways. I like her expression a lot!