View Full Version : Scarlet's Dungeon- Alice In Wonderland

04-07-2012, 06:21 AM
I be here once again. Gonna cut to the chase. Got a lot of time off Uni so thought I'd spent some quality time with the MT'ers.

Moving away from my grimm fairytale style stuff for now. Practising some realism.

First, a rose for my lovlies: http://i39.tinypic.com/1zycv2x.jpg
Done with some good quality fine liners.

My latest realism stuff:
Both done with pencil, charcoal and eraser.
Blatantly advertising: http://scarlet-light.deviantart.com/

Any comments or crit would be appreciated.

Please, Thank you and until next time.

Until next time

04-07-2012, 01:06 PM
Nice rose :)

As for the portraits, and this is just my opinion, but I think you should go about it in a completely different way. Skip the charcoal, skip the wrinkles, the single strands of hair and the rest of all the details. Don't bother with them for now, start out more basic with just the shapes and the relations between them. Get yourself a load of reference pictures and start sketching, and don't spend more than a five or so minutes on each. Set a goal: 50, 100, 200 500? If you just do 50 and spend 5 minutes each it will take you about 4 hours 15 minutes so it's very time effective. Sometimes quality comes with quantity, sometimes it does not. I believe in this case it does, and that's why its my advice to you.

If you're wondering where you are supposed to find 50 or more reference pictures the answer is movies. Play a movie on your computer and whenever you see a good portrait pause and take a screen, save them and make a reference sheet. Just remember to get whole heads and faces, no weird crops like in your portrait of the girl. That just makes it a lot harder for you

04-07-2012, 01:08 PM
Hey.. looking good.. my main critique, would be about the lines in the portraits.. got to create the lines with shadow contrasting with light, instead of drawing lines. Sure, draw them for a guideline.. but once you do a full value drawing, the lines should slowly disappear. Like the wrinkles around the eyes on the left side of the last drawing.. kind of blend in with the shadow of the face, but the lines on the other side stick out because of where the light hits causing a contrast that's unbalanced... Hope this helps a little. His nose looks fantastic by the way!

04-13-2012, 06:09 AM
Rubisko: I'm on it! Thanks, advice well taken.
Egoslip: Ahh ok I see what you mean, do my best to work on that.

A new biro sketch:

04-13-2012, 08:51 PM
Pretty awesome :D One thing that strikes me wrong is the right (his left) eye. It seems bigger then the other. Or it may be that the eye is too forward and out of the eye socket. His skull seems squished from the behind. Other then that id say pretty damn good.

04-16-2012, 04:43 AM
Ah, thanks. I see both of your points. Some one else also commented about the head looking squished over on DA. I'll watch out for that more!
More Portrait work
I was just messing around in my smaller sketchbook this time.

“Men can see nothing around them that is not their own image; everything speaks to them of themselves. Their very landscape is alive.” - Karl Marx

You can see better resolution versions
And no, I do not feel shame for advertising XD

Any C+C as usual? Please, Thank you.

06-04-2012, 01:42 PM
Moving on. I've finished at Uni for 3 months now so gonna get a lot of drawing done. Well first here is just a little bit of the stuff I did while at uni. http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/1539/sketchmadness.jpg

And my latest. The return of my OC Nile :).

C+C on anything would be great.

06-04-2012, 01:56 PM
Yeah, I really like that piece with the flowers; and not just because I like flowers. But when it comes to the characters it feels like you maybe dive into the details a bit too soon, and the image as a whole suffers because of it. If you feel like that's the case I would suggest you work in passes and put of the details until the very last.

06-10-2012, 04:09 PM
You think so? I'll look over some of my drawings and try to fix it for next time. I admit I'm a bit of a trickster for disguising errors in masses of detail! Thanks.

I realise it's been a long time since I just shared my sketching with this forum. So here's a rough sketch for a competition I'm entering. I'll be doing many more sketches of the character and then a full colour version for the comp. But 'tis early days yet!

Zee Jack of Spades.

I'm open for crit and comments as usual! and the pleases and thank you's.

06-10-2012, 04:45 PM
I think the dog sketches look a little wonky( well just the snout parts) And the last colored one has a case of a rather large head. Other then that pretty good.

06-10-2012, 05:18 PM
For the last one, the design and the detail on his clothes are fine, but, even assuming he's fairly lean, his arms seem too thin for his body and the left forearm is too short. The legs are okay, but the left leg is tapering as it goes down the way, and his foot looks too small for the rest of him.

Have you got a reference photo for the pose?

06-16-2012, 04:26 PM
Gedeon: Yeahhh..animals are a new thing for me. I'll be sure to work on it! thanks for stopping by.
Gaff: Ah so they are, I'll be sure to fix that in other sketches. Nope I didn't have a ref, just sketched in on the spot, I'll look for a similar photo now that you've pointed that out though. Thanks.

Update later tonight.

06-18-2012, 09:37 AM
Didn't get round to it a couple days ago. Didn't have much to update with to be honest. But here's something I've been working on today and yesterday.
A stroll through the Stream.

I'd love any crit or comments I could get on this because this is my work as it stands and I'm really looking to take it up a notch :)

06-18-2012, 12:58 PM
Have nothing on the lines of a critique but I do want to express how awesome that drawing and your art in general is :D loving the way youve drawn the background and the girl :) not to sure what that thing the girl is looking at is though xD

06-19-2012, 07:14 AM
I'm going to talk about some things in your composition. It's going to be very basic, because my knowledge about it is very basic. I don't really get the narrative, so it's all based on just making it a good image.
Ok, so this is what I see in it. Green arrows are for well done, and red stuff is for "hey, I think you better fix this". So, let's talk about those parallel reds first and get them out of the world. Especially the arm and the torso makes for a bit too boring relation. I guess you know it, but angles are exciting and parallels are dull to the viewer. Same goes for legs, but that's less noticeable.
Now, green arrows are good, they catch the eye and directs it toward the girls face, which I guess is supposed to be the focal of the image. However, do not forget that lines of vision are powerful too; if someone look at something then others will look too (and if someone looks directly at you, you will look directly at them right?). The cat (it's a cute cat btw) doesn't really look at anything, but the girl is looking out of the frame and that's really bad. The pointed hand is also pointing out of the frame, along the same line as her line of sight.

just gonna leave this here in case you haven't seen it already; http://www.cgsociety.org/index.php/CGSFeatures/CGSFeatureSpecial/phil_straub_composition_tutorial

06-19-2012, 07:57 AM
My only worry would be that, with her legs so close together and slightly off to the side like that, I'm not sure about how she's balancing herself. It's very good though - I particularly like the yellow-ochre-ish tint to the sky and the field.

06-19-2012, 12:13 PM
Your artwork is refreshing to say the very least. Great stuff! @.@

I'd have to agree with Rubisko about your composition. It makes a picture feel awkward if you drag the eye off the page or into a corner. I also feel like the entire left side of the composition should be nudged to the right or that the frame should be extended to the left. There's a lot of things being cut off suddenly over there, the cat especially. However, the framing on the right side is beautiful.

Your line quality, colors, textures and characters are all lovely. :3

06-23-2012, 09:04 AM
Rubisko: I had already seen similar tutorials to the one you posted BUT THANK YOU SO MUCH FOR THE CRIT! That was exactly the kind of thing I was looking for! Now I'll be able to integrate those points into my next piece for better composition. Thanks a thousand times!

Gaff: Oh hamburgers! I see your point. Shall be more careful with balance.

SuperKasey: Thanks a lot! Ah I see your point. That's really obvious now you point it out!

Thanks to everyone for helping me out.

I did a request on DA for some one who wanted me to draw their character.
Their version can be found here: http://chibi-tan107.deviantart.com/art/Request-for-Ratchet-Halo-308915697
All credit to them for that one.

But anyway here's the one I drew for them:
Oh-My-God.. Ohmygod. Have I actually drawn some anime!?
I'm trying to be a little more adventurous with the posing here because I noticed I was getting into the habit of doing simple standing poses. Foreshortening is really not my thing though so any help is appreciated.

07-02-2012, 11:37 AM
Another request in anime style:


A lot of requests on DA seem to be looking for anime stuff. Still, I'm gonna try and get back to my usual style I think. Nice to change things up every now and then though!

I've also done some portraiture:


any help appreciated :)

07-10-2012, 08:00 AM
Meh. Moving back to my original style, but trying to mix in a few things I've learnt about characters and similar. I've tried to take in the advice about composition too, though I don't know if I've managed it.

Off to see the wizard, the wonderful wizard of oz!


Anyway... and comments and crit appreciated!
Please, and thank you.

07-10-2012, 09:41 AM
Her nose looks a little broken, bring in the left(her right) nostril in some. Also, her jaw looks like it was chiseled from marble, use rounder lines there, she looks a bit like a Stallone. other than that the portraiture is excellent.

07-10-2012, 09:02 PM
Yaaay for the wizard of oz :P anyway, personally I think it looks brilliant, the only thing I can think of is maybe that a bit of Dorothy's (I assume) thumb would be showing around the edge of the man's fingers, it really looks great and I hope this helped even a little bit :)

07-10-2012, 09:47 PM
Same problem as pointed by rubisko on the previews image. Look how the focus point behaves with the trees and clouds.

07-13-2012, 09:43 AM
Liebe: I indeed see your point. Thanks for the help!

Demonfyre: Thanks a bunch, and yes I suppose it might be, I'll take a look! :)

Clock: Oh man again.. thought I'd fixed it this time. Ok thanks for pointing it out, I'll try again next time.

Thanks you guys for stopping by.

Ahem, 100 theme challenge time!!

So I started this thing before under a different user name but got really side tracked in the end. Well I'm picking it back up again now. For ease I'll post my previous pieces from the challenge here first:

Number 1- Chibi:
Number 5- Magical girl:
Number 13- Cybrog:
Number 21- Fairies:

All pretty old stuff though, from last year.

TODAY THOUGH! I finished another part of the challenge.
I present, number 40- Video game:

I decided to do something different to what I normally do to keep things fresh. I found some old plain white oxford shoes in my wardrobe and decided to turn them into something that I'm willing to wear! I was unsure which style to lace them in..but I figured something out in the end.

So yeah.. any comments as usual appreciated.

07-13-2012, 12:23 PM
The cyborg is absolutely amazing! I think you could make both the fairie's and magical girl's legs longer. I love the way you did the chibi!

07-14-2012, 04:03 PM
Very awesome pieces! What medium do you use?

07-14-2012, 05:24 PM
its really weird how pro t=your work seems to be and yet how there are some beginner mistakes! It really shows how much time and effort you put in some of your work and it is really good but it seems you still have some proportions work to be done. Your hands seem to be too small, and feet too.The perspective is a bit off ( the dress on the stone looks off) Also im not sure whats wrong with the girls eyes...the one in the pink dress and with the faeries and stuff. Awesome work man keep doing what you do and practice some essentials! AWESOME stuff!

07-15-2012, 04:27 PM
JJorgie: Ah I do believe you're right. Thanks for stopping by!

Toast: Thanks a lot! All of the fantasy styled pieces you see from me are done with water colour paints, water colour pencils for the smaller details and good quality ink pens (or if I'm feeling retro, an ink pot and nib).

Gedeon: Thank you so much for your kind words. You flatter me. And I would consider myself a beginner certainly; only having been drawing properly for about 6 years. I see your point about the hands and feet, I'll take the time to study them a little I think. Perspective is one of those haunting weaknesses of mine. Thanks again.

Right, something unrelated to the 100 theme challenge:
The drawing is quite old, but I thought I'd try my hand at digitally colouring it for a change.

And for the challenge:

Number 41: Tarot

"I know that I hung on a windy tree
nine long nights,
wounded with a spear, dedicated to Odin,
myself to myself,
on that tree of which no man knows
from where its roots run."

Anyway, Comments and crit appreciated as always!


07-15-2012, 05:32 PM
You know, your twisting strange looking trees are really starting to grow on me (no pun intended). I think it works especially well in The Hanged Man. I also like how you use light-on-dark contrast there with such a low chroma palette, it kinda makes me think of Arthur Rackham. Although I think you could have emphasized the rope around his neck more, and even though I'm not shy to artists inventing new muscles for effect but stacking up on serratus anterior doesn't seem to work very well (looks more like the texture on fish skin really).

On your Oz illustration; I haven't read the book so It may be me, but I'm confused by the difference in height between the girl and the man. Is he very short-legged or is the road very elevated? I like the sky in that piece btw

07-15-2012, 06:08 PM
I have to agree with Rubisko, I love your trees!!! And, yeah, make the rope around the man's neck pop out more. At first I didn't see it, so I was a bit confused :)

The faces on the tree in the top picture are awesome!

07-17-2012, 04:32 AM
They dont look like trees to me but it still looks cool. Really like the first one...still some hand problems on the boys hand. the second one. Really good anatomy there, but with such good body anatomy i find the face lacking. ITs still good but the body is way better so its kinda mismatching. the tree.... doesn't look like a tree to me but its pretty awesome.

08-08-2012, 07:33 AM
Rubisko: Thanks I'm glad you like the style! Yeah, anatomy is certainly not my thing, I'll keep an eye on that next time. You haven't read or seen the wizard of oz!? This is an alien comment to me. Maybe it's an English thing. Anyway yeah, the guy is a dwarf. Dorothy meets a village of dwarfs who send her along the yellow brick road to the wizard of oz. :)
Jorgie: Thank ye! I was really unsure about the rope around the neck myself, which is why I was so tentative I think.
Ged: I'll work harder on my faces! You think they don't look like trees? Perhaps I'm overdoing it a little now, good thing you pointed it out. Thanks a lot for commenting.

Still clawing at the hundred theme challenge! Number 10: Witch.


Any comments appreciated :)


08-08-2012, 11:20 AM
Wow, another awesome tree! I love the clothes and I really want one of those hats! :)

I think you should be able to see some of the girl on the left's back foot. Well, unless it's under the red haired girl's dress that is. One more thing, the leaves on the tree kind of seem to be on one side of the branches.

Hope this helps! Keep up the great work!

08-08-2012, 01:37 PM
I really love the professional look your pieces have :D apart from what JJ has mentioned, I struggle to find anything else to mention apart from maybe you could add more random branches here and there, not large ones though the small and thin ones you find in real trees. I love the clothing you chose for them :) I look forward to seeing more :D

08-22-2012, 07:29 AM
JJJorgie: Thanks! yeah I thought that about the leaves when I scanned it, but it was all too late XD.
Demonfyre: Thanks for stopping by. I appreciate the comment :)

Another theme for the challenge. I'm going to try and increase the pace on this now!

Theme K: Flowers

And some anatomy practice.

Any help appreciated of course :)

08-22-2012, 07:51 AM
Those flowers and that dress is gorgeous!!! I don't think the face should be turned that much backward. In fact, I'm pretty sure that's physically impossible. Anyways, the eyes are of different heights on the face.

The anatomy is superb. I think the legs of the second picture should be a little bit longer, though.

Hope this helps!!! :)

04-15-2013, 11:41 AM
He's baaaackkk!! *End of lame anticlimactic return*

In short, I'm going to try and post more regularly from now on.

Some stuff I did whilst in lectures, nothing serious. There's an OC of mine mashed in there. The first piece of the girl. Her name's Ruin. She was an OC I came up with about 3 years ago when I first came to MT. I don't draw my OC's that often because I don't like a lot of em so much now. But Ruin's OK, for a little girl, ruling the universe from a gigantic tower in a different realm. She had a guardian back then, Chaos. But I dropped him, I don't think she needs him. Haha.

My newest finished piece: Catch Me Rainbow

I tried to work with a different style than I'm used to. A style much closer to manga I suppose. And I tried drawing without using ink because I got a little too reliant on it!
Any c+c appreciated!

A lot of work that doesn't get onto this site I put on these sites:
So feel free to visit them :)



04-16-2013, 05:32 PM
I'm just gonna talk about the rainbow one (even though it's finished, here's some things to look for in the future):

The legs are too short for the body (not by a whole lot, but she still looks unbalanced). The feet are too short as well (feet are the length are a person forearm). The hands look a little small. The closest hand has almost no back, the fingers go almost to the wrists. The white lacey parts have next to no shading which makes those areas look unfinished and stand out in a bad way. Her eye should be a tad bit closer to the bridge of her nose. since she's falling down, her dress-skirt should be "falling up" (does that make sense?) like the hair. She doesn't seem to have a butt; the shading you can "see through" the dress showing her lower body has no defined butt, the thighs go straight and flat into her hips. Also, the knees aren't defined. in the closest leg, the knee and front of the lower leg are connected; On both legs, the knee is flat when it should be round and there should be some indication seperating the knee and lower leg (it doesn't have to be huge, of course).

05-30-2013, 12:45 PM
JJJorgie, about the hands and feet, I think I generally draw them smaller than they are meant to be. I think it looks cute! But your dead on about everything else. Especially the dress needing to float upwards, I'm really surprised I didn't see that..
Thanks for taking the time.

Here's my latest piece. I know the front leg is an absolute botch job.. but any other crit would be great!

Alice In Wonderland:

Please and thank you!


05-30-2013, 07:27 PM
I really like this one :)

One big problem I see is that Alice's hand is backwards O.o The thumb should be on the inside. Her feet should be a little longer and I think the knee of the close leg should be prominent. Her closer eye should be slightly tilted up to the left to match the angle of the rest of the face.
The rabbit's closer foot seems to fade into the mushroom since is has no defining line like the rest of him.

06-02-2013, 02:28 PM
The rabbit's closer foot seems to fade into the mushroom since is has no defining line like the rest of him.


If you are going for a no line (albeit it doesn't seem that way for this particular one), then I would suggest on the foot in particular really adding shading between the toes and the colouration on the feet so it can be distinguised from the mushroom a bit better. I would say that the foot could exist like that if the lighting was right, but since the rest of the drawing is all nicely segregated, somewhat stylized and line dependent then it would be best to change it.

I do like this piece a lot though, the bright colours and the reds go nicely I think c:

Side note; the proportions of the anatomy pieces a couple of posts up are a bit awry.

06-02-2013, 07:33 PM
Leaving aside the anatomy, I feel the composition is slightly awkward. Alice is looking diagonally up towards the Rabbit's watch, but it seems to me like both are in the extreme foreground, so the effect is kind of lost. At first glance, it's like Alice is staring into space, especially as her expression is so mild.

It's possibly a matter of personal taste more than anything else, but I'd be wary of having so much detail on the nearest tree too - I feel like my eye is drawn more to that tree first, then the figures second.

As Demonfyre said though, the colours are very nice. The dominant use of red gives it a real strength.