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butternut
01-14-2011, 06:07 AM
I've always drawn by instinct. Never had any kind of formal training up until 3-4 years ago, around when i found MT. So before all that:

http://img192.imageshack.us/img192/1085/071220101451.jpg

And then, I did some copy-drawing of pictures from the internet. I dont have soft copies of those, so i'll upload them later.

After reading lots of tutorials, i still draw by instinct i.e. i don't really follow stuff said in those "how-to" texts. But it sure has helped me a lot in anatomy and proportions.
One of my more recent stuff:

I copied this from an actual photograph. It was so beautiful.
http://img406.imageshack.us/img406/4638/moony.jpg

A fan-art I did:
http://img337.imageshack.us/img337/4193/301120101444.jpg

And finally an OC:
http://img440.imageshack.us/img440/5910/271220101461.jpg

Most of these images and some more can be found in my gallery and deviantArt page: saphira410.deviantart.com (http://saphira410.deviantart.com/)

I have some doubts: Is learning realistic drawing absolutely necessary? because I haven't done any at all, except taking some references for hand poses or stuff like that. And in general too, how should I go about now other than keeping on drawing?

Thank you!

alxsmpgmr
01-14-2011, 09:23 AM
your drawings are pretty good :D
the last one on the list is missing a little bit of depth, but it looks good all around.
keep up the good work :D

butternut
01-14-2011, 09:29 AM
Thank you, alxsmpgmr! yeah..that was like...a first draft kind of thing. I'm thinking of developing the character, so when i'm done with the improved version, i'll post it here.thank you for commenting! :)

alxsmpgmr
01-14-2011, 09:53 AM
np :D

nisaren
01-14-2011, 09:58 AM
Very nice progress, I really like the second to last picture you did. The anatomy and proportion look very well done. I agree though that the last picture is lacking. I think the main problem is that you drew the clothes without figuring out what the body looks like underneath. If you want more natural looking clothes you need to make sure you sketch the character's figure and then draw the clothes over top. I know it's more work and it can be tedious, but it really does help.

As far as your doubts go, I began similar to you. When I was in middle school I really like comics (traditional western comic style though) and I wanted to draw those. So that's all I drew. But there's only so much you can learn from copying that type of art. I took traditional studio art in high school and another studio art course in college and it definitely helped a lot with understanding contours, positive and negative space, color theory, along with general technique. Was it boring? For me, not really. I enjoy art in all of its forms, however, it wasn't what I really wanted to do with my art. Still lifes can only stay interesting for so long.

Some of the drawing exercises we used to do were: Blind contour drawings, 30 second to 5 minute gestural drawings, negative space drawings, still life drawings, etc. I'm sure you can find how to do most of those on the internet if you do a quick search, but if not I'd be happy to try to explain them a little further. Hope this helps. Remember though that the most important thing you can do is to keep drawing. The fact that I stopped drawing for so long is one of my biggest regrets.

butternut
01-14-2011, 10:34 AM
Yeah, I'll try that out for sure next time (sketching the figure and then dressing it up).

Well, i'll check those exercises out right now and practice as much as I can. I really want to take a formal art course,at least for a short while. But I'm already in college and am gonna graduate in a year. I can manage only about a drawing per week maybe with tests and hectic schedule. Once I lose focus, I take a very long break. Well, I have to try and do my best.
I'm planning to take a formal training in art as soon as I earn enough.

Thank you for the advice! I'll post some more pictures soon after practicing those techniques!

Ryousukethehappy
01-18-2011, 06:21 PM
I think the fan art is the best the second one has really good shading now let me ask you do you draw shonen shojo or another style?

angel_dreamer13
01-18-2011, 09:24 PM
studying from life is a MUST, for anyone. it's very important to use references until you're completely comfortable working from your imagination.
that said, I can see youve improved a lot since you found the site :) keep it up.

butternut
01-19-2011, 10:46 AM
@Sean Long
I don't really have any style yet. It depends on what kind of character i'm drawing i guess.

@angel_dreamer
Thanks a lot! I sure will.. :)

Ryousukethehappy
01-19-2011, 03:14 PM
@saphira
well i geuss your right there for me its more shonen the shojo second

butternut
01-25-2011, 02:42 PM
This is an OC of mine. She is supposed to be around 14-15. Ignore the face and head, I didn't really pay attention, I wanted to get the anatomy, proportion and clothing right first. Please crit.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/7100/exximagesxcamerax201101.jpg

I think something is wrong with her right arm. And feet requires practice too. And I'm not too sure about the length of legs. One time they seem fine, and then they don't again.

lupin007
01-26-2011, 07:17 AM
yup...the right arm....i think it shd be a little bit thin .... the left arm is shorter than the right ...the shading was gr8!! ... legs r perfect...well...she reminds me of nami in onepiece.... :)

nisaren
01-26-2011, 10:01 AM
You're definitely getting there on the proportions. The biggest thing that I notice is that her shoulders are too wide. They make her look rather masculine. Remember that girls' hips are as wide or wider than the shoulders. The legs look okay as far as length but what bothers me is how the clothes she's wearing are affecting the curves of the legs. It makes it look like you didn't spend the time to draw the figure underneath the clothes beforehand. The left (her right) foot definitely needs work. Overall, I think you could just use to spend a little more time planning the pose out. The pose itself looks very awkward. Draw a stick figure before hand so you can get a general idea of where things are going and proper proportions.

butternut
01-26-2011, 12:12 PM
Thank you for the comments!
This time I did sketch the figure underneath, but I did it lightly. You were right, I didn't spend so much time. But I didn't get what you meant by "affecting the curves of the legs". I mean, how else are the legs supposed to look?
I'll re-do it again, one standing straight and one with a pose and post it here.

butternut
04-12-2011, 03:23 PM
It has been really long since I've drawn. (blame college -_-').

I drew something just now to take my mind off tomorrow's test for a while. Just thought I'd bump my thread.
http://saphira410.deviantart.com/#/d3du2z3

Matt
04-12-2011, 04:32 PM
DA's blocked at my school, so I'll comment on the first pic on the page.

Something about the way you did that picture reminds me a ton of my old stuff. I wasn't big on guidelines awhile back, and that was a killer. I also didn't consider or use perspective in any pictures, and my characters were nearly always facing the camera in flat, uninteresting poses. Before I go on, let me say that your shading is better than mine ever was, especially around that girl's chest (yeah, why did I automatically look there?).

Moving on now. Yes, the pose is flat and 2-D. I would recommend defining a bit of a background. You don't have to make a huge, complex scene, but hints of what she's standing on and where she's standing would help. Also, the way she's got her elbows straight out to the sides makes it a bit flat. I'll redline it real quick here . . .
http://img96.imageshack.us/img96/3383/redlinesp.jpg (http://img96.imageshack.us/i/redlinesp.jpg/)
Aaaand, I think I said all I saw in the redline.

butternut
04-12-2011, 09:36 PM
Oooohh! My First ever red-line! Thanks a lot Matt, for the comments. =D I'll keep that in mind.

Since my tests are over from today, and I have around 15 days until my finals, I should be able to do something now.

butternut
04-16-2011, 10:17 AM
So yeah, I started something in SAI today. A WIP:

http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/106/d/c/an_oc_wip_by_saphira410-d3e40xf.jpg

I can't help drawing masculine females! D':

SuperKasey
04-16-2011, 10:29 AM
You've probably heard this a billion times before but, narrower shoulders and wider hips. Women's shoulders shouldn't ever be much wider than thier hips.

butternut
04-16-2011, 10:34 AM
-_-" I knew it. On it now.

Nerdonoff
04-16-2011, 11:48 AM
...you should try and sketch your characters starting with simple shapes (square, rectangle, circle, oval etc.) and after that you can get into details... if you want I could make you something to show you what I am talking about...

Gedeon
04-16-2011, 12:39 PM
You've probably heard this a billion times before but, narrower shoulders and wider hips. Women's shoulders shouldn't ever be much wider than thier hips.

That coming from Kasey and his demon princess:cat_suck::cat_yeahright::cat_lol: I keed i keed!!! :cat_scared: dont kill me... Also the girl is nice, still i like the previous one better, but you said not done yet so i apologize :D

butternut
04-18-2011, 06:09 AM
corrected some stuff.
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/108/d/5/practice_wip_by_saphira410-d3e9ni8.jpg

Shall I go ahead with line art?

Gedeon
04-18-2011, 06:23 AM
id say that her left hand needs to be a little bigger......and that coming from me who had the same problem.....^-^'

butternut
04-18-2011, 06:45 AM
Hmm, Her left hand as in our right?

nisaren
04-18-2011, 08:24 AM
My personal preference for when I draw women is to stray towards the thinner side. The ones you draw seem to be heavier which I'm not sure is your intention or not. If you didn't intend for her to be heavier/more muscular/etc. I would suggest making her upper arms thinner.

If you look at most people (not the extremely muscular or obese) the widest parts of the arm are around the elbow. The upper arm is relatively uniform in size (unless you're going for a muscle-bound person, or want to adopt a more western drawing style). So don't pinch in at the elbows, they're actually one of the wider points of the arm, and make the shoulders smaller.

I believe Gedeon was talking about the hand that is visible even though it would be her right (our left) hand. Remember hands are usually large enough to cover your entire face. I think that hand would barely cover her cheek. The easiest way I've found to draw the hand was to draw a small elongated box for the palm of the hand and then from that draw the fingers. The fingers should be approximately the same length as the box.

Maybe I'll draw you a quick red-line when I get home to help explain what I mean.

butternut
04-18-2011, 09:31 AM
Thanks nisaren. I get what you mean, I see it now. I zoomed in and drew the hand, so I guess I messed up. And the arm, well...my bad. For now, I shall fix themand try to finish the drawing.

In general, I find it hard to draw thin females. I don't know why, I try and then the head feels a little too big, ana I end up making them masculine/fat. More practice! I'll try drawing a thin one too now. Look for it tonight!

butternut
04-19-2011, 02:36 PM
I'm finally done with the sketch.(I'm so slow, and get distracted easily! -_-" Something I should change). Anyway here it is:
http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/109/6/1/practice_wip_2___full_sketch_by_saphira410-d3edahg.jpg

Apart from the weird elbow/arm and the tip-toe foot, anything I should change? (I left her slightly plump for now).
Also, where can I find feet references? I tried googling and on dA, but never got the angle I wanted. So I finally tried drawing from my own foot in the mirror(which is downstairs).

Do I add the background later, after the lineart and all? Or is it advisable to sketch it too?

Slurpee
04-19-2011, 02:51 PM
I think the legs are a bit short. You should have left more guildlines in teh sketch before you go down to ink it >_<

butternut
04-19-2011, 03:21 PM
Hmm, longer legs. Thanks! And this is the sketch D: I erased all the guidelines and stuff, made it like the final product so that I can just trace over for the lineart.

nisaren
04-19-2011, 11:28 PM
So I finally got around to doing that redline. It's not my best work but I hope it gives you a little idea of what I'm talking about.

http://farm6.static.flickr.com/5301/5636825580_ab7a12e182_b.jpg

I tried to illustrate what I meant by the arm. The way you fixed the arm made the upper arm look way too long and the forearm looks broken. In addition, you need to define the curves of her hips and abdomen more. Don't pay much attention to my legs and their lengths as I think they're off a bit. At any rate, I hope this helps in some way.

butternut
04-20-2011, 04:35 AM
Thank you nisaren. The red line is a big help. =)
I shall post again soon.

butternut
05-06-2011, 09:30 PM
So I had a small break from finals, so decided to do something in SAI.
I just completed this:
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/f/2011/126/5/e/the_sun_and_sea_by_saphira410-d3fqvj0.jpg

Hands = epic fail again.

butternut
03-16-2012, 09:48 AM
So I stopped drawing for a VERY long time. Caught up in life and shit. Still am, but I said, I dont care anymore. So now a days its just an outlet for me. 2 images have been haunting me for some time now. I drew one, i'll do the other one soon.

Here's the crappy mobile-cam quality picture of a crappy drawing:
http://s3.amazonaws.com/data.tumblr.com/tumblr_m0zbbs5xBC1rpo4moo1_1280.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId =AKIAJ6IHWSU3BX3X7X3Q&Expires=1331991698&Signature=uagaibK2HZPrpxn5Ei&#37;2FUVCOt5i8%3D

yes, i'm gonna upload my non-practice drawings in tumblr now. http://butternut410.tumblr.com/