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Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 06:37 PM
Ok so for X-mas (Don't want to offend those of you that celebrate and arenít religious) I always had make presents for my parents and friends. I wrote a poem and I'm ganna add a picture and frame it for my mom. ( Shh don't tell XD ) and I was wondering if you guys do anything like that for the holidays.

ClockHand
12-03-2011, 06:42 PM
With my cousins we are planing to play at the secret santa (last year I had to buy presents for everyone and I got more broken), and with my parents me and my sister buy something together.

With all the family (cousins, uncles, etc) we do a fest in a uncle home, but the fest is only of desserts, so every family have to make a dessert and share it with everyone.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 06:45 PM
Yeah we usually spend our Christmases abroad, this year we'll be visiting the Vatican for Christmas Eve mass

Superdooperphailmachine
12-03-2011, 06:56 PM
Gonna spread some cheer up in this joint.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 07:01 PM
I play Alto Sax so I usally play that for chrismas, and every chistmas eve we get new PJ's, everyone.

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 07:12 PM
New pjs! What a cuate traditions. This year I'll probably have to do my new job for christmas. Since my parents live three hours away this means I probably won't be having a very family christmas. A friend of mine is probably not going to have anywhere to go for christmas either though so we'll do some thing together. She's a vegetarian, so does anyone know what vegetarians like to eat for christmas? My family always just had a roast

Sylux
12-03-2011, 07:14 PM
Oh yeah we do get new PJs too we also drink a lot on Christmas Eve with me and my stepbrother we have at least a liter of good, strong beer

ClockHand
12-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Cakes or desserts, best gift to everyone no matter if they eat meat or not.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 07:20 PM
Cooking together is fun!

pajamajam
12-03-2011, 07:21 PM
My extended family does a Secret Santa every year, just to make sure no one gets left out and everyone gets more than one present. We had cute traditions when I was a kid, but when my sister turned like 12 my mom decided it was too much work. We might do something different this year, though, since it's my nephew's first Christmas where he's old enough to know something special's going on. Last year he was only like two weeks old and didn't care about shit.

Also I'll probably do a ton of baking since I have people to bake for this year.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 07:27 PM
ALL my cousins and siblings are younger then me. So big chistmas's are weird I can't 'hang out' with them and I can talk to the adults, I'm sorta left out.

jubeh
12-03-2011, 07:31 PM
I have to get so much stuff done to my car that I can't afford to buy presents but everyone seems p cool about that so its no biggy.

Evil_Cake
12-03-2011, 07:43 PM
ALL my cousins and siblings are younger then me. So big chistmas's are weird I can't 'hang out' with them and I can talk to the adults, I'm sorta left out.
how much younger are we talkin

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 07:49 PM
My oldest cousin is 6. So I'm more then twice there age, being 14.
In the last two years I got two more brothers 11, and 5 so I've got one person to talk too, but he's.... Him.

Gedeon
12-03-2011, 08:09 PM
TAT Ill need to repay my friends last year's presents.............Also still planing what shall i do with one (of my 4 neurotic, delusional, hippy, awesome, tasty, loony friends). We might go to a neighboring village to a girl-mate and spend it with them! :D

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 08:24 PM
In fact I do have a problem.

Gedeon
12-03-2011, 08:33 PM
And pray tell what is it!? Is it a bird? A plane?........If you are having plane problems then find a a parachute and leave all those other unfortunate passengers to descend into their demise!!!

Sylux
12-03-2011, 08:46 PM
be he's.... Him.

You talk to Cthulhu?

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 08:58 PM
A what?

Sylux
12-03-2011, 09:03 PM
No, not a, the.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 09:17 PM
WHAT?

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 09:28 PM
We don't celebrate christmas, but sinterklaas kinda.

But now bcuz im too old we dont celebrate that at all, we only get some food in our shoe from time to time and thats it... ugh.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 09:30 PM
I do not know how to respond to that.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 09:31 PM
Sinterklaas, dutch version of santa, puts stuff in our shoe.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 09:34 PM
I know what it is.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 09:41 PM
Then how come you couldn't respond to it? Man.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Oh my god you carve a wooden shoe and if you're good he gives you candy and toys if you're bad he gives you a switch so your parents can punish you I'm pretty sure Wikipedia probably says that if you search up Kris Kringle

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 09:48 PM
Why does he put stuff in your shoes? That seems so random

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 09:49 PM
I couldn't respond, because I just couldn't.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 09:51 PM
It's a very old German tradition dating back to the pagan days. Kris Kringle came of Odin (which is why Germans call Thursday "Donnerstag," as Thor's traditional name was Donner and tag means day = Thor's Day) and Sinterklaas came of Saint Nicholaus of Myra. German kids would put treats in for Odin's flying horse Pegasus or something (jk on Pegasus lol) and they got treats back from Odin.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 09:58 PM
FROM WHAT I HEARD.

Is that the saint used to put money in the shoe of the poor and then it became presents for childeren. It's like how people put a sock and they receive stuff in it too right for christmas

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:00 PM
No we actually stole the sock thing from the Germanic Prussians

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 10:02 PM
Our ancestors just all had foot fetishes

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:02 PM
I'm german, on both sides of my family, and I was born in germany. But my mom was raised in the US so now thats where I live.

jubeh
12-03-2011, 10:03 PM
Watch out for kinterslaas he goes around putting dookie in shoes.

Afrobit
12-03-2011, 10:05 PM
I ticked off my middle school class one year by writing X-mas instead of Christmas on the board. It was a Christian private school.

Good times.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:07 PM
No we actually stole the sock thing from the Germanic Prussians

It's still the same concept, well the modern one. Just put your shoe/sock infront of the fireplace and get stuff in it the next day. geez.

And if you dont have a fireplace it doesnt matter.

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 10:07 PM
I put my shoe next to the fire place, and all I got was this burnt shoe

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:09 PM
You must have been a bad kid :P.

Just try to keep it at a distant from the fire...

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:09 PM
It's still the same concept, well the modern one. Just put your shoe/sock infront of the fireplace and get stuff in it the next day. geez.

And if you dont have a fireplace it doesnt matter.

Oh no I was just saying that our civ isn't kind enough to give things to poor children that's all :P

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:14 PM
Christ was born in spring, it was changed to winter because one group of people celebrated the winter soulstes and they said oh we'll just celebrate together, we're the same as us and your the same as us. You can just do what we do, it's all the same (Yea, uh han, right...)

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:23 PM
Are you trying to downplay paganism because seriously my father is a pagan and I'm gonna punch you in the face

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:24 PM
I'm just saying they were not the same, but they wanted everyone to be like them, which is stupid.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:25 PM
Calm down, Sy.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:25 PM
Uh huh, so you're saying Christianity isn't guilty of trying to make other people the same as them, right

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:28 PM
I never said that, if fact I never said I was christain.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:30 PM
You want me to get you a ladder? So you can get off my back? I'll calm down if you stop talking about my culture like that; this is a holiday thread where people are supposed to enjoy themselves without getting riled up by jackasses.

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:33 PM
Just chill, I'm just playing it as I see it. I don't takes sides.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:33 PM
Did you guys know that Jesus actually managed to leave the middle east and went to the north of Japan to become a rice farmer for a while while his Japanese brother covered for him for a while before Jesus went back and did all the stuff he was supposed to do

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:34 PM
Who didn't know that

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:35 PM
you think I'm joking
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shing%C5%8D,_Aomori

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:35 PM
I thought Jezus died in Kashmier... or something or people say that man who knows.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lost_years_of_Jesus

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:36 PM
nope he died in Japan

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:38 PM
Man. and here they said he lived in india man...

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:38 PM
So they actually worship Isukiri H. Christ

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:38 PM
MY mom isn't chirstain, but she belives the jesus was a real person who was very give just not magcikal. Or what ever you want to all it.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:39 PM
P sure all chirstains believe jesus was magcikal

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:42 PM
Man don't troll her....

Use autocorrect Kenzie it shuld help with spelling...

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:42 PM
Yeah Jews and Muslims are the only monotheists who believe Jesus wasn't magickal

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:43 PM
Numana I'm not trolling anyone how dare you accuse me of such a thing. So anyway how is your sex life

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:43 PM
Pretty good :0, skater dudes have been hitting me up. How's yours?

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:46 PM
the other day I was about to have some sex and the tv was on in the background and I guess shrek was on or something and anyway as I was about to put it in I hear shrek go "oh, donkey!!" or something it was really strange

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:46 PM
(Thanks Byakuran)

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:47 PM
the other day I was about to have some sex and the tv was on in the background and I guess shrek was on or something and anyway as I was about to put it in I hear shrek go "oh, donkey!!" or something it was really strange


I don't think that was shrek....

You're welcome Kenzie, my english spelling sucks so i often use google chrome's auto correct xD.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:48 PM
what are you saying numana

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:49 PM
she's saying you watched a donkey show

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:49 PM
So, christmas guys.

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:50 PM
I'm just saying girls say weird things in the heat... And you are Canadian and all... so..yeah Donkey :l.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:51 PM
are you saying canadians are donkeys

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:51 PM
P sure Hayajohnnida is Czechoslovakian

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:51 PM
No I'm Canadian

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 10:52 PM
From Canadia

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:53 PM
Uh it's called Canada but nice job giving it a go

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:54 PM
are you saying canadians are donkeys

Justin Bieber is Canadian.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:54 PM
some donkeys are canadian but not all canadians are donkeys

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:55 PM
Are you sure it wasn't Croatia

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:55 PM
No it wasn't actually but now that I think about it, it might be Hong Kong

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 10:56 PM
some donkeys are canadian but not all canadians are donkeys

John.. haya... donkey... heat... girls.

It doesn't have to make sense.

Inksprout
12-03-2011, 10:56 PM
Man, I am pretty sure its called Canadia.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:57 PM
Man, I am pretty sure its called Canadia.

maybe you're right I just don't know anymore

Sylux
12-03-2011, 10:57 PM
No it wasn't actually but now that I think about it, it might be Hong Kong

So Costa Rica

Kenzieroo
12-03-2011, 10:58 PM
*Sighs* This went way off track.

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 10:58 PM
So Costa Rica
you just don't listen do you I clearly said tajikistan

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 11:06 PM
Pakistan? Man i don't like paki's.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 11:10 PM
Afghaniraq

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 11:12 PM
Isn't Iran cursed?

Hayashida
12-03-2011, 11:12 PM
Djibouti you guys

Sylux
12-03-2011, 11:13 PM
Madagascar

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 11:19 PM
Abhu Dabi

Sylux
12-03-2011, 11:22 PM
Western Africa's where Zanta Klaws gets all da coal

Byakuran
12-03-2011, 11:39 PM
Kaapstad?

butternut
12-04-2011, 01:02 AM
Israel guys....p. sure thats where it all started.

Sylux
12-04-2011, 07:48 AM
Um no you're completely wrong don't talk like that.

Gedeon
12-04-2011, 08:26 AM
Serbia..................................i win.

Ozzaharwood
12-04-2011, 10:17 AM
Apparently it's offensive to say Merry Christmas now

Superdooperphailmachine
12-04-2011, 11:09 AM
No it isn't

Gedeon
12-04-2011, 11:19 AM
How about jolly Christmas?

corastaur
12-04-2011, 03:23 PM
happy holidays?

ClockHand
12-04-2011, 03:26 PM
Happy Celebration Day!


*Sighs* This went way off track.

It's in the Chatter Box, nothing in here stay on track.

GunZet
12-04-2011, 06:38 PM
Clock speaks the truth. You want your thread to be taken seriously for more than 3 pages, post in the General Discussion area.

Fenn
12-04-2011, 07:32 PM
Apparently it's offensive to say Merry Christmas now

Eh, it's a case-by-case basis. In strange public places I stick with Happy Holidays to be safe. Where I live and/or with people I know Merry Christmas is fine.

Sylux
12-04-2011, 07:55 PM
No I say merry Christmas and people are like hey I don't celebrate Christmas asshole and I'm like we'll I'm Jewish so be quiet hahaha

Celestial-Fox
12-04-2011, 11:52 PM
I don't even SAY Merry Christmas, Happy Holidays, etc, so I don't have problems--?

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 12:53 AM
Honestly anyone who calls you out on saying merry christmas is just an asshole straight up

Evil_Cake
12-05-2011, 01:02 AM
yeah u should say merry deathmas and kill them

Bacon_Barbarian
12-05-2011, 01:05 AM
Merry Jewmas?

Inksprout
12-05-2011, 01:09 AM
Merry kiss-my-ass

jubeh
12-05-2011, 02:11 AM
I have to say happy holidays at work but its like whatever.

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 02:13 AM
Has any overly religious guy got in your face about it

butternut
12-05-2011, 02:16 AM
Christmas is not a big deal here. I mean there's a holiday (1 day, 2 at some places, a week to 10 days at some like catholic convents or schools), people who celebrate it do and wish each other merry christmas, others don't do much.

At my house we like celebrating all big holidays. So if me or my sister is at home, we do stuff (like cake or awesome food, cards etc). Otherwise its just another holiday to chill, meet people and all that.

Nobody gets offended though - merry christmas or happy holidays, just wishing people makes them happy!

jubeh
12-05-2011, 02:18 AM
Has any overly religious guy got in your face about it

Not even a single person but I've only known like one jew in my entire life that I was aware of.

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 02:23 AM
oic interesting

jubeh
12-05-2011, 02:23 AM
Yeah he bought me lunch every day for that last semeseter of senior year because he was super rich.

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 02:24 AM
hey that's pretty lucky

jubeh
12-05-2011, 02:25 AM
Yeah I talked to him recently after he got out of the military and he had a bullet wound

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 02:26 AM
is he aight

jubeh
12-05-2011, 02:26 AM
Yeah the bullet didnt go in it just like scraped against his arm

Hayashida
12-05-2011, 02:27 AM
thats good 2 know

Psy
12-05-2011, 02:49 AM
Apparently it's offensive to say Merry Christmas now

Story 1) one of the girls that used to work at my store swore up and down that she would not say happy holidays. Only merry Christmas. Her reason? She's Christian and not "one of the stupid weird freaky jew people.". She now works for a church as their pr person and gets 40hrs a week to sit on her ass and update their fb and Craigslist adds. She allso married a guy off of Christian mingle.com and paid for him to fly from England here and has paid allot of money to get him his citizenship.

Story 2) http://www.afa.net/Detail.aspx?id=2147514035&mobile=true Walgreens is a pharmacy chain here and it's being boycotted for not using the term "christmas". Apperently Christians are the new victims of religious intolerance?

Inksprout
12-05-2011, 02:58 AM
I don't get all of this saying holiday bullshit. Its stupid. How is it offensive for someone to say merry christmas to you? They are saying, here is a tradition I partake in, with some religious roots. It is about sharing with friends and family, good will etc. By saying merry christmas to you I am offering to share this tradition with you, and wishing you well. You don't like it? Fine, say no thankyou, or I don't celebrate christmas. Don't get offended. Don't force other people to NOT be nice to you. The act of merely saying 'merry christmas' to someone does not count as attempting to convert them.

Psy
12-05-2011, 03:09 AM
Its forcing your belief on some one else. How many times have you been told "happy haunukkah" seriously? It mite not be their belief so why take the chance and offend some one? Is it really hurting anyone by not saying Christmas? Doubtful.

Edit: and have you seen some of the people in the stores? Forcing people to not be nice to you? Christmas time is the worst time of year in retail because of customers. For being a holiday about rewarding the good people there sure are allot of assholes shopping for presents.

pajamajam
12-05-2011, 03:26 AM
I just wish people a good day/evening/whatever. I'm pretty sure I wouldn't get in trouble for saying Merry Christmas (there are hymns mixed in with the rest of our holiday music), but holidays suck in retail and I don't feel like giving people a reason to get in my face. I'm just glad I can hide in the back of the bakery instead of being a cashier.

Blue_Dragon
12-05-2011, 07:08 AM
Edit: and have you seen some of the people in the stores? Forcing people to not be nice to you? Christmas time is the worst time of year in retail because of customers. For being a holiday about rewarding the good people there sure are allot of assholes shopping for presents.

This is why I quit being a waitress back in early college. It was around Christmas, and it was Sunday morning when the big church groups came in, and everyone was being HORRIBLE. I mean, I'd waited on these people for a long time (never liked it, cheap old bastards leaving one dollar tips when you could tell they did have money. Bunch of hypocrites.) But they were being real *ssholes cause I didn't get to fill their coffee on time (it was busy. It always was, but it was worse around X-mas) and one of them was really rude about it. I admit, I was a bit of wuss, but I started crying and had to stay in the back. I was pissed off (cause I hate to cry in front of people--who does?) I told Ziyad I was quitting, because of the phony Christians. Grrrr!!!!! Sorry. This should be in the rant thread.)

Anyway, I give kudos to anyone who works in retail. I try to be nice to you guys, cause I know people suck and are selfish single minded assholes this time of year. It's really quit disgusting (I'm such a scrooge. funny, cause I really like Christmas, but I dislike other people. I do my shopping either early in the year, or late late at night. Or not at all! Like this year :P)


Edit: as a side note, to somewhat bring it back to topic. I don't get offended by anything unless someone's getting mad at me about it. Like, if someone said "Happy Kwanzaa" to me, I'd probably be like "okay, cool, right back at ya." Or Hanukkah, or Christmas, or Holiday. I don't give no shit. Because if it's just someone saying it, then they have good intentions, and I like that they thought of me.

Now, as for the nuts out there who blow it out of proportion, like those walgreens protesters: get over it. People who are not Christian celebrate Christmas. It may not make sense to you, but it's become a cultural thing, and people like to be part of something like that. Maybe they don't believe--so what. That's their business, not yours. And just as these protestors would be pissed if someone tried to force them to only say Happy Holidays, they should not be trying to force Walgreens to say Christmas. ITS A FREE COUNTRY. You can't force them to say what you want, just cause the holiday originated in a certain way. I mean, come on now.

Gedeon
12-05-2011, 09:53 AM
Maybe they don't believe--so what. That's their business, not yours.

if only every religious extremist would have this way of mind...

Sylux
12-05-2011, 09:57 AM
Its forcing your belief on some one else. How many times have you been told "happy haunukkah" seriously? It mite not be their belief so why take the chance and offend some one? Is it really hurting anyone by not saying Christmas? Doubtful.

Edit: and have you seen some of the people in the stores? Forcing people to not be nice to you? Christmas time is the worst time of year in retail because of customers. For being a holiday about rewarding the good people there sure are allot of assholes shopping for presents.
Well actually when people know that's it's Channukah during that week like my friends and teachers and sometimes strangers I talk to they say happy Hannukah just because it really is that holiday, and most people at least know it exists

Also Blue yeah I'm Jewish and I still celebrate Christmas, it's just a generally fun holiday plus it has a good soundtrack

Inksprout
12-05-2011, 07:23 PM
Its forcing your belief on some one else. How many times have you been told "happy haunukkah" seriously? It mite not be their belief so why take the chance and offend some one? Is it really hurting anyone by not saying Christmas? Doubtful.


But HOW??? How is saying 2 little words 'forcing' a belief on anyone? I don't even give a shit about the religious part of christmas. I'm not religious. I have just been raised with it as a cultural tradition. So how am I for example pushing beliefs that I don't have on someone else by saying merry christmas? Nothing about that statement is forceful or conveys force. So I just really have no idea what people are complaining about. I could say happy snozzleblatfart to someone, and be talking about a holiday that is tied to my religious beliefs and no one would get mad, its just inter religious hatred, which is stupid. No one in Australia goes around saying 'happy holidays' because no one is celebrating 'holiday' people who are celebrating christmas say merry christmas. People who aren't say so and then ussually engage in a conversation about what they celebrate instead or why they don't like christmas. Honestly I've never heard any one say happy holidays here, and I've never heard anyone getting mad because they aren't christian but someone said merry christmas.

Honestly, who says merry christmas to someone as an attempt to convert them? You say it because you are celebrating a time of year that is important to you for religious OR cultural reasons and you want to share the tradition and what it means to you.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-05-2011, 09:17 PM
Also Blue yeah I'm Jewish and I still celebrate Christmas, it's just a generally fun holiday plus it has a good soundtrack

It's by and large a secular holiday.

Sylux
12-05-2011, 11:49 PM
Yeah I went to the grand illumination in Colonial Williamsburg and a tree limb caught on fire but went out by being showered with sparks from a hose of fire

Blue_Dragon
12-06-2011, 01:56 AM
Williamsburg is hard core. Those people are awesome! I would have liked to have seen that, though :)


Also Blue yeah I'm Jewish and I still celebrate Christmas, it's just a generally fun holiday plus it has a good soundtrack

Yeah! That's what I'm saying :) There are people all over the world who do the same: It's fun to get things for each other and spend time. It's a great excuse to. I have a few atheist/agnostic friends who celebrate, but they aren't Christians. It's like, when in Rome...

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 11:52 AM
Yeah! That's what I'm saying :) There are people all over the world who do the same: It's fun to get things for each other and spend time. It's a great excuse to. I have a few atheist/agnostic friends who celebrate, but they aren't Christians. It's like, when in Rome...

Yeah! lets expand christian shit and waste of money!! yeah!

I give a shit about this celebration, I only give gift to my little cousins because they don't get gifts (and they are affected because of this and obviously I have to do something -.-).

Bacon_Barbarian
12-06-2011, 05:04 PM
It isn't even Christian (anymore) man, have you known an atheist (that can afford it) who doesn't celebrate Christmas?

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 05:05 PM
I often think it would be nice to stop celebrating it, but its a family tradition so I'm expected to

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 05:11 PM
I often think it would be nice to stop celebrating it, but its a family tradition so I'm expected to

I don't know, I like to gather with all the family to eat and all that, at least that part I would like to keep as a tradition.

The part of the gifts and all that can go to hell.

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 05:16 PM
I like giving presents to people, but I don't really need an excuse to do it. Besides most people now that I'm older don't bother thinking of a thoughtful gift. They either just give me money or ask me what I want which IMO makes the whole thing a little redundant.

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 07:32 PM
Dunno, gifts are pointless, but sharing is priceless.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-06-2011, 07:34 PM
That's contradictory.

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 07:35 PM
Isn't, unless you think that gift are the only way you can share with people.

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 07:50 PM
I don't think gifts are 'pointless'. To me a gift is where you see something that someone you know would really like, but you know they don't have the money for it, or wouldn't treat themselves to it, so you get it for them. A gift doesn't even have to be something you buy. If you have a friend who can't draw or bake or something like that you might make them a picture or a cake as a present. That's still a gift. In a way it IS sharing because a proper gift should have thought behind it, you should be sharing something with them that they couldn't get on their own but which they will really like. Thats why I don't like the mandatory gift giving nature of christmas. You end up just getting people stuff because you're expected to rather than because there is something you really want to give them. You're just giving people stuff for the sake of them having more stuff.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-06-2011, 07:52 PM
Isn't, unless you think that gift are the only way you can share with people.

It is because the opposite is true - A gift is always sharing.

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 08:06 PM
No, a gift is a giving.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-06-2011, 08:10 PM
Giving & Receiving together make sharing.

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 08:14 PM
The gift itself isn't what you're sharing. You're sharing warm feelings, and like I said before you could be sharing your wealth, or skills, or luck at finding something cool when you give someone a present

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 08:21 PM
Gift.
n.
1. Something that is bestowed voluntarily and without compensation.
2. The act, right, or power of giving.
3. A talent, endowment, aptitude, or inclination.

Share
n
1. a part or portion of something owned, allotted to, or contributed by a person or group
2. (Economics, Accounting & Finance / Stock Exchange) (often plural) any of the equal parts, usually of low par value, into which the capital stock of a company is divided: ownership of shares carries the right to receive a proportion of the company's profits See also ordinary shares, preference shares
go shares Informal to share (something) with another or others
vb
1. (tr; often foll by out) to divide or apportion, esp equally
2. (when intr, often foll by in) to receive or contribute a portion of we can share the cost of the petrol six people shared in the inheritance
3. to join with another or others in the use of (something) can I share your umbrella?
[Old English scearu; related to Old Norse skor amount, Old High German scara crowd; see shear]

I still don't see them as synonymous.

You can't compared giving a gift to a person than sharing with them time and company in a nice dinner.

*freedictionary.com

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 08:22 PM
What if they have no money for the dinner, so you pay? Is that not simultaneously giving a gift and sharing?

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 08:27 PM
Yes, but that doesn't make a Gift equal to sharing. Which is my whole point.

Inksprout
12-06-2011, 08:34 PM
Yes it does, you're sharing your wealth with the other person by buying them dinner.

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 08:47 PM
In here gift is not a synonymous of sharing, a gift is something you do or buy to give to someone else, when someone say sharing its mean is something that person gives to everyone and that he can also enjoy with them. So for me, and how I understand, a gift is not necessarily something you share but rather something you give. You are not sharing your wealth by any mean, because you could be giving some cheap shit that maybe that person didn't want in the first place and that thing is still a gift. And if you try to give a gift that is mean to be shared with everyone and with you then that is not well received in here.

Blue_Dragon
12-06-2011, 09:17 PM
Yeah! That's what I'm saying :) There are people all over the world who do the same: It's fun to get things for each other and spend time. It's a great excuse to. I have a few atheist/agnostic friends who celebrate, but they aren't Christians. It's like, when in Rome...


Yeah! lets expand christian shit and waste of money!! yeah!

I give a shit about this celebration, I only give gift to my little cousins because they don't get gifts (and they are affected because of this and obviously I have to do something -.-).

Not every gift is a waste of money, man. I'm getting household necessities cause I can't afford it. And I'm making my gifts, so they're not mass produced.

It's cool if you don't like to give presents, but are able to find other ways of making the holiday matter, like spending time with your family. Kudos to you! I see nothing wrong with not buying a bunch of crap. Sorry if it came out that way, because that was not my intention. I was just saying it's a good excuse to to see everyone and if you can offer up something to show you were thinking about them. It doesn't have to be a physical gift: it can be your time.

Edit:

forgot to read this page in the thread. To keep on the new topic.

I see what you're saying about a gift being a thing you give. A physical thing like, let's say a plunger. If you give that plunger as a gift, then it's not shared because only one person is getting a use out of it?

But a gift that could be shared with everyone would be like...if I bought a box of chocolates as a gift for everyone, and we all partook? And you're saying that wouldn't be well received? Is that what you're saying? (I'm just trying to understand the argument.)

Sharing food I'd think can be a gift. Because I can use my money to buy all the food for Christmas, and do all the cooking, then share that with everyone. It'd be like, my gift is for you to rest and enjoy good food, and I share in this because I also am eating the food?

ClockHand
12-06-2011, 09:22 PM
That's my whole point of this celebration. I just care about being with others, I don't need gifts, for my stay with my cousins is enough. But they do cares about gifts (one of my cousins have asked to her mom for 2 years a Miku Doll, and still nothing, while other got a bottle of water in the previews Christmas. I don't care those things and people know it, so I don't get Christmas presents, but they do and thats why I give them gifts, most of them are done by me, and if not is something cool I bought for them).

Blue_Dragon
12-06-2011, 09:57 PM
I think it's cool you don't require gifts--because you're right about that not being what matters. And to be honest, I think most adults--not all--are like that. My friends and I don't give each other stuff very often. I mean, Nikki-chan makes aprons and such to sell, so she'll give me things like that, but all I do is pretty much buy her lunch and give her drawings. It's mostly cool to hang out since we never see each other.

I know people (adults) who are totally all about the presents, and the are d**ches (unless they're kids, or really need it.) I look at my cousin's useless husband and how his "Mommy" always has to get him everything he wants--and he's 42 year old. But he got fired from his job for not showing up and isn't even looking for another one, so he doesn't get anyone anything. Which would be fine and understandable, but he's a jerk about it. And a creeper...but that's another story.

The other cousin's boyfriend can't afford gifts, either. But he's always really nice, and polite (all year round,) so we actually enjoy giving him stuff and never expect anything back. It's weird. I guess it's your attitude that matters.


On a side note: my dad side is Catholic, so there just happens to be like 30-40 people counting kids and grandkids (probably more now.) Since we couldn't all get gifts for everyone, they'd draw names from a hat and say who you got, and then you'd just buy maybe one or two gifts for that person. Then we'd all eat pancit and rice and other good stuff. It's too bad my grandma's kinda crazy....I miss her food. But I don't miss my dad's side of the family cause they were just about all backstabbers and are really just not nice people--excepting like two or three of them (we prefer small family gatherings with the immediate family and my two cousins on Mom's side, rather than phony people who don't really care about you.)

butternut
12-07-2011, 12:44 AM
Gift giving is not bad. Giving gifts to see the happiness on the receiver's face is as awesome as receiving a gift. At least that's been my stand always. I hate buying things for ppl though, unless that thing suddenly reminded me of them or it has some significance in our relationship (something of that sort). I used to make stuff for people till high school, now sadly no more coz other things just ate up my time + ppl got so far away that i can't give them anything unless its over the net.

Anyway, gift giving is as much receiving as it is giving coz you get that satisfaction or happiness that you made someone happy!

Bacon_Barbarian
12-07-2011, 12:50 AM
Unless they don't enjoy your carefully selected gift. Then they're just dicks.

Sylux
12-07-2011, 06:25 AM
Are we having an argument in a fucking Christmas thread

Blue_Dragon
12-07-2011, 01:22 PM
Some people are :P

Edit: Want a cookie?

Sylux
12-07-2011, 03:18 PM
Yeah I fucking love cookies

Kenzieroo
12-12-2011, 11:20 PM
Yummy

Nara
12-14-2011, 02:10 AM
almost Everyone loves gift and gets it every single x'mas day (sometimes a day before x'mas).

...isn't that the main reason why most people celebrate x'mas?

I mean, duh! Who doesn't like a gift? I mean people in generally, not just Christians

Although this year, i still don't know whether i can go to the local church or not. (yeah, i'm also Christian)

digitek
12-16-2011, 03:54 PM
http://i42.tinypic.com/nvr6v5.jpg
wishing everyone a merry christmas! :)

Inksprout
12-16-2011, 08:33 PM
Guys, I'm trying to make a gingerbread house today for christmas, I'll post some pics of it!

Kenzieroo
12-17-2011, 12:22 AM
That's cool, this year we're (Meaning my parents and siblings) and focusing on the Christmas tree.

Inksprout
12-17-2011, 07:55 PM
Yeeeaaaah Gingerbread hooouuuuse. It turned out ok IMO. Not bad for a first time with no help!
<a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/inksprout/6528428055/" title="IMG_1177 by Inksprout, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7148/6528428055_513e49dc7c.jpg" width="500" height="333" alt="IMG_1177"></a>

Bacon_Barbarian
12-17-2011, 08:36 PM
...isn't that the main reason why most people celebrate x'mas?

No. Be with family. Exchanging gifts is just a plus.

Kenzieroo
12-17-2011, 09:42 PM
The Christmas tree is the best part. Well after being with family.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-17-2011, 11:52 PM
My tree isn't up yet. :/

ClockHand
12-17-2011, 11:54 PM
I hate the tree.

indescribable
12-17-2011, 11:56 PM
This year, our 'tree' is just a bunch of branches in a vase. Christmas just isn't the same without the smell of spruce in the air and pine needles everywhere else. :(

ClockHand
12-18-2011, 12:00 AM
You live in canada, stop crying about a tree, you can go outside and smell the shit of every single animal in the canadian forest.

Trees sucks, use space and you have to put shit over it.

indescribable
12-18-2011, 12:05 AM
Wow, I had no idea you know so much about Canada.

ClockHand
12-18-2011, 12:07 AM
I had no idea you know so much about my performance.

indescribable
12-18-2011, 12:14 AM
Yeah, me neither. o - o

Inksprout
12-18-2011, 12:39 AM
Man, Clock you sound like a bit of a grinch. I think having a tree is nice because little kids have fun helping decorate it and it looks nice when you have some presents to put under it. Though Now I am older, live in a small apartment and don't get many presents we don't have a proper tree. We've got this funny little carboard one so we can't decorate it.

Kenzieroo
12-18-2011, 08:26 PM
I agree with Inksprout, the tree is just something that I always loved, and still do.

Fenn
12-18-2011, 11:00 PM
I agree with Kenzie and Ink. The tree isn't just a thing, its an activity to do with faily and/or friends. Besides, Clock, you said yourself art is about the process. Christmas trees are an artform.

GunZet
12-18-2011, 11:33 PM
http://newyorktours.files.wordpress.com/2008/11/christmas.jpg

digitek
12-19-2011, 12:06 PM
My family took ages to get us a tree this year, and were thinking about not getting one. Even though I was partly not that bothered, I really wanted one mostly because it's tradition, makes it feel christmassier, and I wanted to have all the presents underneath it. (Because it looks cool, and at the moment they're taking up space in my room). We have a tree now so its all good :)

Sunny
12-19-2011, 12:26 PM
My tree HAS ROTATING COLORED LIGHTS.

And I need to turn it on.

That's as Christmasy as I'm getting cuz I can't afford the electric bill.

Sylux
12-19-2011, 03:14 PM
It's understandable if Clock can't relate to the Yuletime Tree because it simply was never in the society that heavily influenced his culture. They did, however, have a similar log. But, they do not believe in our white-bearded man to leave presents under the Evergreen of Joy - they believe in the Three Wise Men to come and deliver treats, and in January, not correlating with the solstice. Their traditions are much similar to the Germanic wooden shoe practice.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-19-2011, 03:15 PM
I still don't have a tree up.

Sylux
12-19-2011, 03:18 PM
it's cuz you're a Quaker and your tree would fall down every time you took a step

Bacon_Barbarian
12-19-2011, 03:27 PM
That doesn't even make any sense.

Sylux
12-19-2011, 04:18 PM
Are you daft?! You make earthquakes when you walk because you're a Quaker! How is that difficult to understand?!

Bacon_Barbarian
12-19-2011, 08:15 PM
Oh. Wow.

digitek
12-21-2011, 05:34 PM
MY BOYFRIEND GOT ME A PENGUIN FOR CHRISTMAS AND IT'S LIKE THE BEST THING EVER! :D I'm easily pleased...

Delphinus
12-22-2011, 08:39 AM
MY BOYFRIEND GOT ME A PENGUIN FOR CHRISTMAS AND IT'S LIKE THE BEST THING EVER! :D I'm easily pleased...

It must be a common present for boyfriends to give girlfriends, because I gave mine a penguin too. O_o

http://i.qkme.me/3588x9.jpg

http://26.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lvjcczJwci1qbi1f7o1_500.jpg

digitek
12-22-2011, 01:34 PM
I would agree, but my boyfriend is not common.

butternut
12-23-2011, 01:40 AM
My plans of baking a christmas cake just fell through after i realized that christmas is on a sunday this year :| made plans with a friend!

I'm planning to do it the previous day (24th) itself, you know..get it ready by midnight.

Delphinus
12-27-2011, 05:56 PM
I would agree, but my boyfriend is not common.

In retrospect there's an irony here

Sylux
12-31-2011, 12:29 PM
In retrospect I was pretty drunk on Christmas.

Bacon_Barbarian
12-31-2011, 12:37 PM
Dumbass.

Sylux
12-31-2011, 12:38 PM
No cuz I got a kiss from a really beautiful German chick so there