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Obitual_Crow
11-01-2011, 05:37 AM
http://obitualcrow.deviantart.com/

I'm too lazy to transfer pictures so please just go view them over my deviantart account orz
But please post your comments and crits here

Just visiting here to gather opinion

If you look at my stuff, you'd notice that...
-I'm currently experimenting with backgrounds
-I'm drawing stuff I would not naturally draw (because they are commissions)
-I'm drawing clothing styles not of my usual style (again, because they are commissions)
-these are pretty old pictures (summer of this year); newer pictures I've done are not for uploading yet

I already know that I suck with backgrounds :P
Note that I don't actually follow proportions and stuff (I don't use guidelines) and mostly draw in characters with visual appeal in mind more than logic D:...I honestly believe that gives the stuff some bit of personality in them plus it makes things look more like anime (simplified and all)

Currently working on this Shana fanart *^*
30% actual size, I recall some people appreciate seeing linearts of images that would end up colored. Seeing-the-progression kind of thing perhaps
Posting this here because I have yet to post this in deviantart when I finish coloring it so you won't see this one in my DA.
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/298393_285077188182085_100000394179222_937224_1224 483897_n.jpg

Gedeon
11-01-2011, 06:17 AM
WEEE! so you are the Legendary crow i heard about! Pretty nice! Id say that the head is just a pinch bigger then i think it should be. Other then that, its great.

ram
11-01-2011, 08:36 AM
It's Moe so duh, ofcourse the head would go big, I don't think it's big enough to be weird.

I'm trying to remember that name, then it just hit me that it's the name of the guy who drew those awesome arts on saimoe!
It's a pleasure to meet one of the legendary moe artist of MT. *bows*

for the crit
elbow should go a little bit lower on her right arm, (or not) depends on the pose you want to achieve.
and head is misplaced one or two pixel to the left (If my theory is correct that's what probably made the illusion Ged saw)
either that or just rotate the angle of the head a little bit.

I can't believe your someone who doesn't use guidelines as well! Damn your awesome!

Hamachi
11-01-2011, 09:11 AM
Foolish students; how dare you lecture Master Crow on her art skills! Kowtow before she defeats you in three moves with her Auspicious Shining Pen technique!

GunZet
11-01-2011, 09:26 PM
Where the hell have you been, Crow? Jeez, leave us like that, ah well.
I'll throw my two cents in on this while you're here.
I like the overall anatomy of it, works in favor of the style.
The hair looks great, and so do the clothes. (BUT) I'm inclined to agree on the head size.
Even for moe (which I have no experience in whatsoever) it does seem a bit big in comparison to her body and neck. I only say this because everything else seems to keep a certain size, yet the head is the only exaggerated part.
I know you've already got everything in place so you won't change anything, but I thought I'd just say that lol.

Also one other thing I noticed is her left arm.
It seems very shortened, and I see no signs of foreshortening taking place anywhere else. I only assume you drew the sword first, and then drew the arm to fit the position? that's just what it seems like.
I only say that because once again, comparing, her left arm is small compared to her right arm which seems perfectly fine.
This is small though, could be overlooked in the end actually.

So far I'm digging it though, hope I offered something of use lol. Seeya around? Maybe you know...this year...

ram
11-01-2011, 09:49 PM
hmm.. now that I'm looking at it again I guess it's a bit big, it's because I'm portraying the circle size at my first glance of it and not the actual face of it.

if we focus on the whole face I guess it is a bit too big.

Bacon_Barbarian
11-02-2011, 12:55 AM
I personally don't see that big of a problem with the head ... But the angle of the arm holding the Katana seems way off. It may be possible (cant tell because of obstructions) but it doesn't look natural.

EDIT: I didn't see GunZ addressed the arm issue as well. >.>

NWAP
11-02-2011, 01:25 AM
Wow. I'm sooo happy you are back. I know you don't remember me but, I just want to say that you and your art changed me as an artist back on old MT. You brought to light the importance of fluidity, and clean inking, to me along with many other things. I learned so much from you and I really hope you stick around this time :0 .
Anyway as far as this pick goes: I think everyone is freaking out about the head because of the way you drew the hair. The actual "head" size isn't really that big, but, with the hair volume , it gives that illusion. I will agree that the arm on the left (her right arm) is at the wrong angle. The perspective would have worked if the arm on the right (her left arm) was bigger, and facing forward (almost in our face) and the same was done with the sword.

P.S. pls pls pls stick around ;A;

Blue_Dragon
11-02-2011, 01:58 AM
It's true! You are back (uh...I accidentally called you a dude in a different thread...sorry.) I'm not good enough to critique your work, but I wanted to say welcome back!

indescribable
11-02-2011, 02:31 AM
(uh...I accidentally called you a dude in a different thread...sorry.)
Um, it's possible that I've been mistaken all this time, but I'm pretty sure Mr. OC is a guy. His profile kinda confirms it, so... I think you're good.

Nice to have you back, OC. Also, I disagree with Nwap about the head. It's the head, not the hair. I mean, her head is the same size as her hips without the hair. However the neck looks fine to me, there's just a line of hair that makes the it look tiny, I think. Very nice line art.

Edit: I just want to clarify that I am not saying the head is 'far too big'. If that's the style you're going for, cool, but if you're not, it's the head, not the hair.

ram
11-02-2011, 02:51 AM
Just a question to those who say the head is far too big

does this looks weird to you guys?
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/018-1.jpg
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/015-1.jpg I know this character is much smaller on height but I can show more example if you like

actually I think it's just the width of the face on Obitual Crows drawing

Celestial-Fox
11-02-2011, 04:17 AM
I think the problem is that the body dramatically changes proportion, starting at the torso. If you look at the hips, they are very shrunk compared to the shoulders, and tiny proportions carry out from there down. I think you'll be fine if you make the legs wider and longer.

I like the linework and movement of the hair so far, though. And yeah, I don't think the head is too big.

MiKuRu
11-02-2011, 07:54 AM
Hi crow its been awhile :D! Good to see you again on here and your stuff is awesome as usual xD.

Matt
11-02-2011, 08:05 AM
I'm one of those people who can't critique anyone better than me, so I'll just sit the head size argument out. Nice to see you back at any rate, OC.

On a side note, Ram, where do you keep pulling those pages from? Is there a download link for the book anywhere?

ram
11-02-2011, 08:23 AM
I'll message ya, >_> Rio might kill me if I post it here lol.

Sylux
11-02-2011, 09:10 AM
It looks stylized but p ok imo

Obitual_Crow
11-02-2011, 12:36 PM
Didn't expect there would be a healthy argument on head size style variation D:

I'd agree that her right arm is in a weird position...I'm thinking of adjusting the elbow and shoulder a bit higher
I also agree with what CF mentioned about the lower body...it's easy to tweak that to make it a bit wider so I'll fix it

also concerning proportions and other things brought up. I was aiming to make her child-like/young and it's a general trick to make the head a bit larger than usual for young characters and to couple that with a thin undeveloped body
http://www.ferricorp.com/gallery/62/artist/Ito-Noizi-Gallery/1
Though I'd say the head size I used is still normal/common style used in anime nowadays and is accepted under moe classification.

The picture ram linked is much of the fantasy SD type of character...not necessarily moe but still classified as cute

I actually got tempted to adjust the body to a regular 7head scale proportion when I was doing this but that would make her look old

Young characters are not my forte if you're familiar with what I usually draw D:

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Off topic
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Gedeon
Legendary crow? Who's spreading those rumors? D:

ram
Saimoe? Legendary moe artist? I don't think I've gotten close to Mok or Faust -level to be called legendary...I'm just someone who does clean linearts
Well it really depends on what you refer to as guidelines. I doodle first and then lineart. I fix everything while I'm linearting them. So if you would call a doodle a guideline, then that means I use guidelines D:
Well I don't have the patience to use rulers and lining instruments so the figures/sketches I draw are not precise...using tools makes me feel restricted and I think it really shows in the work. I want my stuff to look organic so I don't used guides.

Hamachi and indescribable
Somehow I delight on the fact that I'm confusing people on my gender...I use that to prevent people from judging my work afterall D:

GunZet
I'm really busy so I only appear when I have time to spare and then disappear D: Thanks for indepth crit as usual

NWAP, Blue_Dragon, Matt
I think I remember you. is it Ninja With A Pencil? /shot orz
And I didn't think I could inspire people with my amateur linearts (still haven't achieved the invisible line level) O: thanks
Seems that I haven't been gone for such a long time since a number of people still remember me :P

MiKuRu
How come my characters are competing in saimoe? I don't remember creating them to be delinquents getting into fights without my order Dx /jk

Sylux
Thanks, I'm really forcing it into a style. Screwing the rules is part of it.

Hamachi
11-03-2011, 12:26 AM
Nah, Mok and Faust are Mythic tier. You're at least Heroic tier, if not Legendary.

Obitual_Crow
11-05-2011, 09:13 AM
Colored finally
I also fixed some points that were brought up...not exactly correct though
I don't like how I colored this one...but there's nothing I can do after 3-4months of inactivity D:
http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/309/2/e/2e73c4920cea90e707b1f2bc2c7d1973-d4f5jsx.jpg


So now it's time for me to work on saimoe entries :D

Hamachi
I still do not understand this tiers you speak of D:

ram
11-05-2011, 09:21 AM
Damn you! Make a tutorial of how to color! share your knowledge! don't keep it to your self!!!!!!!

Or could you atleast tell me where you learn.

Sylux
11-05-2011, 11:59 AM
Damn! Shit! Hell! Whaaaaat!

Obitual_Crow
11-05-2011, 12:34 PM
ram
Whenever I try to make a tutorial, I get OCD halfway and decide that it's crappy and drop it D:
My coloring method is really simple. Just a layer for every color type...so I usually take a few colors so that I don't end up with a lot of layers.

Choose a part (for example: skin)
SELECT ALL of the skin parts and FILL it in with a base color
OPACITY LOCK (or whatever it is called in the program you use) then SHADE with 2-3 different colors varying in hue, saturation, luminance
Add a Layer on top and LAYER CLIP it if I don't want to risk messing up shading a layer with highlights
I mix hard shade and soft shade: I use PEN in sai set to hard edge to shade everything, then I blot it all over with WATER in hard edge or AIRBRUSH also in hard edge (so essentially I simulate a soft shade by blotting hard color boundaries a lot of times with water or airbrush)
If I dislike the color I chose: adjust colors simply by changing the layer's hue/contrast/saturation/depth/brightness or by adding a layer on top of it set to multiply/screen/overlay/luminosity/dodge/burn depends what looks better and make my adjustments on that layer, I try them all out individually until I arrive at something that looks decent enough

My method of choosing colors...

base color (relatively high luminance [not maximum])
shadow (low luminance low saturation)
highlight (high luminance, lower or higher saturation [depends which looks better], sometimes a different hue), this is the color I usually omit with clothing. I usually use highlights only with skin, hair and metallic objects that should shine

I stare at my favorite artist's works and try to figure out how they apply the colors in their works and check their color choices so I get an idea for choosing my own palette

Sylux
o_0

Sylux
11-05-2011, 12:38 PM
Excellente coloring!

ram
11-06-2011, 07:31 AM
Thanks OC:monkey_bow: Your the best!

So what program do you use?

Obitual_Crow
11-06-2011, 11:11 PM
ram
Paint Tool Sai

Posting this here for crits (specifically on her design and the template I'm using [informative enough as far as visuals go?], I'm aware that her legs are rather awkward to look at, or maybe that's just me? I don't like drawing full bodies afterall orz; does the flame effect look convincing to you? How about the blood splatters?)

Saimoe Entry #1
Name: Ixora
Age: ?? (appears to be 17)
Likes: Gardening, Ixora plants, Cleaning...keeping things neat and orderly, Kyoshka, Peace, Friendship, Serving a Master
Dislikes: Conflict, Mess, Garbage and anything unsightly or filthy, Rodents, Vermin, Being betrayed (causes psychotic reaction leading to yandere mode)
Short Bio:
Ixora is a floral geist communed with Ixora plants. She manifests her geist powers as fire which condenses to form explosive Ixora flowers however she prefers fighting using punches and kicks to avoid destroying the environment. She is an optimistic person with little troubles in life however these troubles, simple as they may be, are met with exaggerated responses from her ending, usually, with herself getting harmed or her house destroyed.
Assigned to watch over a secluded woodland, Ixora lived in a small hut she constructed and was kept company by plant and animal inhabitants of the woods. Peace reigned over the woodlands under her care until the tranquility was finally broken by a delinquent ninja who goes by the name, Kyoshka. They fought each other over a misunderstanding but it was Ixora who emerged victorious. Ixora offers Kyoshka friendship and a place to stay and hears of outside matters from the renegade ninja. Hearing of a large scale war that would erupt near the borders of her domain, Ixora goes on a preemptive to direct the clash somewhere else.
http://fc09.deviantart.net/fs70/f/2011/310/3/3/338b7fd662ec65ed70fdee8051bb9f75-d4fd8wk.jpg

I do hope you guys like the yandere pic :P
Yandere = moe in the wrong direction = win

Waffles597
11-07-2011, 05:52 PM
:monkey_ohoho: Awesome.

Matt
11-07-2011, 10:13 PM
I've always been a yandere fan myself. As far as critique goes--her angry/fierce emotion doesn't look so much angry as just stern or determined. Moe expressions are usually pretty mild, but Ixora's a yandere. She's capable of getting mad, right?

Rena (http://img3.lln.crunchyroll.com/i/spire2/03062008/3/d/5/2/3d525c91f26960_full.jpg) is a decent example. I've always found it hard to make a character look angry with her pupils adorably filling up her eyes. They always get that determined/stern look. I've found that making the pupil/iris smaller works well, especially if you can see the lines the muscles create when pulling harsh expressions.

Of course, if all of her normal expressions are supposed to be fairly mild, then what you did is perfectly fine and I'm at a loss again. Nice entry, as usual.

Obitual_Crow
11-08-2011, 04:53 PM
Matt
You got it right. She's not the type to get insanely angry like Rena or most other yandere that's why she's not a real yandere, but is only inclined to that side of the spectrum :D She's happy most of the time anyway Dx

I plan to use that type of expression you brought up on other characters of mine who are real yandere though. Hopefully I get the time to actually draw them

Make yandere characters matt, you have to, or else! *^*