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Maxx_Wellington
10-13-2011, 12:44 AM
So here's the background story on Kim. I had my car broken into for the second time just when I was thinking of possibly getting some detailing done to it. That lead me to wonder what's the point into having a car if you are only going to invite people to rob from it. In return, that lead me to the thought of adding more security to my car as well as wondering how fancy cars stay fancy... In some way that lead to KITT.....and Hatsuna Miku

Anyways, Kim was born out of that thought process. She is a model/mechanic that I wanted to create, build up and install in my vehicle. Rather she is the vehicle. But part of her is the persona. KIM stands for Kinetic Intergrated Machine, just like KITT stands for Knight Industries Two (later Three) Thousand. Her persona is Kim Ratchet, a mechanic girl/ model who controls my car. I was thinking of writing a comic about her as Kim Ratchet: owner of Ratchet Motors, a small mechanic shop she bought with her modeling money... but I need more of a story line... Anyways, I wanted to start a thread to introduce her and get help designing her.

This is what I have so far:
She is going to be modeled as a 20-23 year old.
She will be in chibi form in my car however she will have a picture full size
She will wear a t-shirt (colour or color undecided)
She will wear special overalls that fit like daisy dukes... maybe rolled up...
She will have on work boots and gloves
Her hair will be pinned up yet she will take it down when partying
Her signature thing will be her goggles that she wears on her head when not in party mode (aka in her dress)
She will have a Kim tall two sided wrench with her no matter if she is chibi size or normal size.
She will be tanned with slightly lighter dimples


This is a headshot I did while trying to draw her first chibi pic... I took the liberty of tracing and redrawing her in microsoft paint as my computer is broken and I wanted to test out hair colours....

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=kim.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/kim.jpg" border="0" alt="Kim"></a>

What do you think?

Maxx_Wellington
10-14-2011, 11:40 PM
Wow, this must suck worse than I thought... 38 views and no posts...

CypressDahlia
10-15-2011, 02:11 AM
There's not much going on. If you want us to critique a character concept, then you should provide a full concept (body, different turnaround perspectives, etc.)

Maxx_Wellington
10-15-2011, 11:10 PM
I am in the process of making the full chibi, just haven't been able to figgure out how I should do the body... I redrew the head but the more I do a chibi body, the more I make her look fat rather than cute and sexy...

trilokcool3
10-16-2011, 01:58 AM
u just draw a full body pose . You know or dont know it doesn't matters . We are here to help you trust me .
Give it a try . And yes dont be shy.

NWAP
10-16-2011, 01:54 PM
I'm not exactly sure what you are asking... but if its for a crit on this picture, Id say the face is pretty scrunched together.
http://i241.photobucket.com/albums/ff222/Falcon17_bucket/kimrocket.jpg
there are a lot of different ways to draw a chibi face, and that's just how "I" would have done it, but the anatomical principals are the same.

If you didn't want a crit on the face, and just wanted to know what I thought about the character...Ignore what I just said, and I think its pretty good. I will say that its pretty standard though. I would add something to her to make her a bit more memorable to people, but that's just me.

Maxx_Wellington
10-17-2011, 02:34 AM
@NWAP: I do want critiques on it, hence why it's in critique corner...
@trilokcool3 and CypressDahlia: I just finished a full body of her, got it on photobucket and realized that I forgot to add her goggles... it was supposed to be her signature look... but that's ok cause I see a lot that needs to be fixed before I worry about details like that.

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=IMG012.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/IMG012.jpg" border="0" alt="kim chibi" width="50&#37;" heigth="50&#37;"></a>

I forget if I mentionned this but she has daisy dukes style overalls, so her legs are bare...

EDIT: Damn this pic is dark. sorry about that, I tried uploading a pic via my phone... I hope you guys can see it

NWAP
10-17-2011, 10:59 AM
@NWAP: I do want critiques on it, hence why it's in critique corner...


If only everyone used common sense like you do. I think its pretty good. nice job on the hands. I can only see some small problems. For a chibi the arms are a tad long, the wrench is crooked and bends downward on the right side

Maxx_Wellington
10-17-2011, 10:49 PM
Thanks NWAP. However, I don't get why she looks so young... I used the guide in my book "chibis and furries" and they show an adult female, but how do I give a chibi a miami beach bunny mechanic look? Whenever I draw her, she looks like a kid... not a chibi- or super deformed- version of an adult....

I am going insane here....

Psy
10-17-2011, 11:15 PM
Add boobs. Kids don't have those.

CypressDahlia
10-18-2011, 04:41 AM
It's probably her lack of curves. If you want to draw a chibi that looks grown, you should observe the artwork for Puzzle Fighter games.

http://media.strategywiki.org/images/8/8f/SPF2T_Morrigan_Artwork.gif

Despite being a chibi, she is not entirely absent of her feminine curves.

Gedeon
10-18-2011, 05:34 PM
^ if you want her to look adult it has to be more adulted..................that sounds wrong.

Maxx_Wellington
10-19-2011, 10:58 PM
Thanks guys, I was told to take out all the curves in the book... but I'll try again with adding the curves.
does her clothes relate well though?

Maxx_Wellington
10-23-2011, 01:48 AM
Ok, here is my next trial. I coloured it by hand.

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=001-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/001-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

KNOWN PROBLEMS:
1. skin tone sucks... I was trying to get a Megan Fox natural tan....
2. goggles seem cockeyed... just noticed
3.shoes suck.... I'm bad at feet
4. Hands too....


I'd love to year your opinions

SuperKasey
10-23-2011, 01:15 PM
She looks MUCH more adult now :3 Good job.

I feel like the shape and planes of the face could use a little tweaking though. There isn't much separation between her jaw and her ear. It looks like they just kinda squish into each other. The nose is throwing the face off as well. Even with chibis some attention must be paid to proper human form. The fact that the base of her nose is level with the base of her eyes is going to be noted even by people with no art experience. Drop that puppy down a little.

As for the goggles, it's not that they're lopsided it's just that they're not following the perspective of her skull. That right chibis obey the laws of perspective too @.@ If they're up on her head like that they won't appear to be facing us straight on. In this case they would be tilted back to rest on her crown.

Captain_Neko
10-23-2011, 05:40 PM
You also forgot to to give the goggles straps. Breast shape is very bizarre, ears could use some work. Don't get discouraged, you just need more practice.

Maxx_Wellington
10-23-2011, 07:17 PM
Thanks SuperKasey and Captain_Neko

@SuperKasey: I realise that chibis follow perspective and such, I was honestly too consentrated in adding the curves. But I will work on what you mentionned

@Captain_Neko:The reason I didn't put goggle straps is cause of how big they look on her head. As for the boobs, it's hard to make nice ones behind overalls. I checked and normally they are smack behind the bib....

Any tips on colouring skintones? I want something between Megan Fox in transformers and Minka Kelly at the end of Charlie's angels (episode:Angel with a broken wing)

SuperKasey
10-23-2011, 07:52 PM
You're using colored pencils right? What does your color selection look like?

It's possible to get a good skin tone out of just the proper layering of the primary colors albeit difficult as hell. When doing it this way usually I will lay down a very VERY light layer of pink and then go over that with an equally light layer of yellow. You will inevitably reach the orange spectrum which is where the blue come in. But you have to be careful because too much blue will ruin your skin tone. If you have a brown or tan color I would utilize that along with your reds and yellows as needed and then use your blues and purples for shadowed areas.

Get a sheet of paper and practice with this technique a little bit before using it on any projects ;)

Maxx_Wellington
10-24-2011, 12:36 AM
I have a bunch of pencils. I have light and bright orange, peach (generic white skin tone), pink, magenta, two reds, a darker red, almost burgandy, alight brown, that I used on the outside of her goggles, a darker brown used on her shoes, a golden yellow used in her gloves... I mixed the peach (base), light brown, and lighter orange to blend it. It looked good but when I put it on her face, it turned out like that. I also used the darker orange to add shadows.

Maxx_Wellington
10-25-2011, 12:40 AM
What do you guys think about my choice for her clothing? hot or not?

Gedeon
10-25-2011, 11:17 AM
Anything can be hot if its worn correctly. But id say if you want to make it hot then (at least i think so) you need to show off some skin. Not so much that she looks like a hooker but just enough :D

Maxx_Wellington
10-25-2011, 02:41 PM
I'll put aside the chibi for now, and work on a sexier full size of the girl. I want to make her a little more realistic than manga, but I'll post my progress soon. She is wearing a belly shirt and daisy dukes, I just wanted to add the overalls bib cause she is a mechanic and you don't want sparks to scar you, or to try to wash off oil form your belly button.

Maxx_Wellington
10-28-2011, 02:48 AM
This kinda is awkward but we are supposed to have only one thread per critique corner, so I will put Kim asside for a minute and show you a drawing I made. it took me two non consentual hours of drawing, but I was more consentrated on the costume. It's hopefully going to be me and Kyra (my dog)'s halloween costume next year.

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0012.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0012.jpg" border="0" alt="Minotaur" height="50%" Width="50%"></a>

The two critiques I would like is:
a) What do you think of this as a normal critique?
b)do you think this is an awesome costume concept?

nisaren
10-28-2011, 01:10 PM
Interesting costume concept. Are the abs part of the costume or are you going to go au naturale. :X It would be pretty sweet if you can pull it off right.

My only complaint would be that the lower body is tiny compared to the upper body. The musculature of the upper body is a little bit off, particular in the arms, but aside from that it looks good.

Maxx_Wellington
10-28-2011, 01:56 PM
I am bad at anatomy... Yes, the arms and abs are au natural. However the beauty is that even if there aren`t any abs, it would work, as Minautaurs are supposed to be big and bulky, unlike centaurs. Anyways on to the anatomy:

you are probably right about the legs. I was concentrating too much on the pose to think about length. (the secret is that the hooves are blocks of wood that one would tip toe on, knees bent. I got the idea from the movie Underworld, how they made their lycans.)

How is the shadowing?

SuperKasey
10-29-2011, 02:28 AM
Digigrade stilts, man I want a pair of those xD This would be an awesome costume if you're willing to put the work into it.

The shading definitely needs work. At this point I thought all you had done was to block in tones. If you want it to look shaded you're going to have to up the contrast, meaning make the darks darker and the lights lighter. Also pay attention to the direction of your cast shadows. They need to follow the angle of the light. The shadow the axe is casting on his leg in particular looks unnatural since the light source to cast that shadow would be coming from the opposite direction than the source you've used on the rest of his body.

Maxx_Wellington
10-29-2011, 03:11 AM
Wow SuperKasey, you're reply timing was ironic as I had just replied to another thread at the same time.

Anyways, I agree that the top of the left leg shouldn't be shadowed like so, however a) I am redrawing him, and b) I origionally wanted to shade his left leg only, just to show that both knees are bent. I just ended up finishing the job as I am that way.

But no excuse is excusable. I will work on shadowing next time.


As for the costume, a little time, a lot of money and it would be an awesome costume. I live in a neighbourhood where there are little kids, so next year, I wonder if I will end up getting complaints of scarring their kids too much..... lol ^^

jaidurn
10-29-2011, 06:18 AM
Just a tip for shadowing with just a regular 2B pencil, hold it on the side and press on the lead with your finger depending on how dark you want your shades to be. By doing this, you can get a more flat gradient and it generally looks better.

Also, remember, form! Shading is a good way for you to show that your character is 3D! If you want people to believe it, then you need at least a 4 value on a 5 value shading chart (Unless you're drawing something in a really bright light, but even then there are shadows to deal with. Agh, you'd need 360 degrees of lighting for no shadows.) If anything is really stressed in the art world, it's contrast. One of my art professors would make students work with charcoal if their shading didn't start getting bold.

Generally, not shading darker is a subconcious trait that these artists had because they didn't want to make it look bad by misplacing something they wouldn't be able to erase. I don't see you having that problem yet, but if you ever find your art getting to light, try using charcoal. Also, it's fun to try out different mediums.

Maxx_Wellington
10-29-2011, 02:25 PM
thanks Jaidurn. I'll keep that in mind

Maxx_Wellington
10-30-2011, 08:13 PM
Ok, so I know I am juggling a lot but after looking at other's works, I decided to pick up Kim again and try drawing her:

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0013.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0013.jpg" border="0" alt="Kim mechanic" height="50&#37;" width="50%"></a>

hope I figgured out spoilers....

Anyways, I know she is just the skeleton right now, however I think my anatomy is already wrong and I would like help fixing it before I continue. The truck she is fixing is a 1947 Studebaker truck. I used it as a classic truck... anyways, please help

What I will end up doing is moving her more to the middle of the page, but I will do so by retracing, so I need to fix up the anatomy first.

Thanks in advance for all your help, off to work now....

corastaur
10-31-2011, 01:05 AM
Hey :) so just a couple of things I noticed: the upper part of the arm at the top (the one reaching up) looks a bit too long. The way it is now, I think it will fall too close to the hip. I had the same issue and SuperKasey helped me out. If you use your own body as a reference the upper arm/elbow normally falls down by the end of the rib cage. So keep an eye on that.

The head might be a bit too big, but its harder for me to tell without the whole body.

This is more of a personal preference, but it might help you out. I'm looking at your skeleton and I noticed that the arms and legs start from the middle of the hip and upper body. I find it more helpful to start the arms and legs from the sides of the hips and upper body. In our bodies that's where they are placed anyway, and it might be helpful for placement/length to add in the joints for the shoulders/elbows/wrists/knees etc. You actually might be doing this already haha whatevs. Hope I helped. Looking forward to seeing the finished drawing! :cat_rosy:

Maxx_Wellington
10-31-2011, 10:47 AM
Hey Corasaur.

Yes, SuperKasey is awesome when it comes to helping. And I always have problems with arms and legs being too tall or too small. That`s why I posed it before I added skin and muscle...

SuperKasey
11-02-2011, 10:58 AM
D'aaawww you guys are sweet ;D

I deffinitely agree with Corastaur about the arms being too long and the skull being too large. Grab a ref and check those proportions! Also, you have a ref for the truck too right?

I'm noticing a few other things in this stage that will become more apparent as the piece becomes finished that you may want to fix. For one her pose looks quite stiff. I notice that when I lift the hood of my car (this happens more often than I'd like @.@) my spine curves a little bit more than hers and my butt kinda sticks out because I'm leaning forward but my body is trying to keep it's center of gravity lined up. Just a subtle curve will suffice, not too much because then she'll be lifting wrong.

Mimicking this pose in a mirror I can see that you're also going to want to place her shoulders higher as well. That lifting arm ends up almost on the same plane as the jaw. Aaaaaand I noticed this in the mirror too and reminded myself of something. From the side male hips tend to be more straight the way I see your guidelines have been drawn. However the hips of a female will almost always dip forward. That's what gives us those nice curves and a perky butt ;D

Maxx_Wellington
11-02-2011, 05:35 PM
Oh, SK, you just made my day!

I am going to rant a bit here, but I hate being single without a model friend: I am a guy so I don`t know female anatomy that much and especially with Kim, it`s hard -if not impossible- to actually find a girl in that position. But when I ask my non-model friends, they seem to think I am this perverted guy who get`s his fancies with girls posing for him. I try to find clothing but it`s hard walking through a woman`s clothing shop -not anything like lasenza or anything- cause no one believes that I am just trying to get clothing referances.... Damn being single is hard.

Although I thank you SK, you gave me enough info to try again. I will keep all the suggestions you and Corasaur gave and I will try to apply them to my art.

nisaren
11-02-2011, 10:16 PM
I understand your pain Maxx. My suggestion is to just go search the web for reference images. You can literally find an image of anything and even if you can't find the exact pose you want, I'm sure you can find something close. I use a couple sites just for general reference though.

Posemaniacs (http://www.posemaniacs.com) - a good general use site for poses, the nice thing is that you can rotate to change views of a certain pose.
Character Designs (http://www.characterdesigns.com) - Another great site with a variety of real life nude and clothed models. It's not porn so there's no shame in going and using it for reference.
Mrjanum on Deviantart (http://mjranum.deviantart.com/) - More nude and costumed model pictures. He has a ton of great photos in very high quality. He also has some awesome slow motion videos of people doing various things like dances, martial arts, etc. that you can pause for reference.

There's a ton more, just need to look around. There's really no shame in using reference, most professionals use it at all points in their careers. As you draw more from reference it becomes easier since you start to develop an understanding of the object that you're studying. At any rate, good luck. Hopefully you'll find something that can help.

Maxx_Wellington
11-03-2011, 02:24 PM
Thanks Nisaren, I just used google....


ok so off to draw I go.

lordsyafiq
11-05-2011, 07:53 PM
Greetings Maxx and I do apologize for the late reply...
Too much absorbing into my personal Manga online these days including the Malaysia Anime Convention this December...

OK, I just received your message (when I wrote this message)...

Comments:-
Alright, about Kim Ratchet (More like Ratchet and Clank style by the sound..) she have the characteristic of the feature and IF you do need to draw dimples and nose button, it will turn your arts in Caricature, a combination of cartoon and realism... BUT fear not, it is possible in Chibis and it requires a lot of experimental efforts, which you are the only one knows the tastes and the best expressions....

Alright, here's my advice pertaining to the message also your art gallery...
It's going to a long one:-

Imagination - you must imagine everytime your character in your mind and everytime means everyday, every hour, minutes and second while you do your activities. This also can be enhanced by MP3 player or radio or computer songs while you do your work and activities....
- This will enable you to visualize more frequently your characters and in 360 degrees along with your animations in your mind with your own variety of characters...The benefit will becoming excels in your time when you drawing since you have a solid imagination and image of your own characters....Try imagine for 2 or 3 days then work on it..It's working since I'm doing this daily without compromise...

References - you must have an adequate resources of books and to tell you the truth, I don't have many books and references but I buy a number of books and keep reading it and study it until I have memorize what style and details that I want...after that, I keep doing this until I have become bored then buy a new one then it really means that you have a certain knowledge about the Manga and the style that you will implement in your next drawings....
- This will enable you to have a vast knowledges about the recent style of Manga since it's infinite and have many varieties. You must equip yourself with knowledge first in what book or Manga or download files you just purchased....Set a number of resources you want to have then categorize it according to what you aiming in your drawings or arts...The review this resources until you have gone bored then purchased a new one after you have study and memorize the style, details and other things you want to know and study...This is my style so just follow your heart and mind in what you want....

Songs - Now this is very important since this will enable you into frenzy mode in your drawings and art....When listening to a song remember that you need a vast amount of songs or music to really know the souls of your drawings...Example, when you listen to a J-Pop music, you must really imagine the cheerfulness, power, flow, beat and strength of the music, then while you listen to it...Automatically your hand will start moving on its own without you forcing it...then Walla, you've just sketching one of the amazing arts....
- This will enable you to do variety of drawings according to the music and produce souls to your drawings. According to my research when I started drawing, the Manga artists forte is music that channels its strength to the artist to produces an art that excels the expectations of others to you....Try if you can while doing nothing or just wanted to draw in free time with MP3 player to your ears......Remember, apply this three tutorials first in everytime of your life since you will have to produce many arts before you will step into the top...

Discipline:-
When drawing, you MUST train yourself to make it like a routine to perform basics cleaning lines to coloring in proper order. I'll make a comparison, between the drawing that messy, and fast draw and the drawing that look clean and take time and consideration to make it. Of course, the messy and fast-drawn will eventually sacrifice the quality of the work with it's cleanliness, makes people think (in the terms of reality of working in studio etc.) you're lazy... the other one, clean & consideration shall make the viewer think you are careful, taking care of your works and hardworking to produce the best of the best.

You can make fast one actually, not restrictions. But ask yourself and your confidence first, whether your skills are up to the challenge. As for me, slow and steady as it's the best route in drawing, I follow Leonardo Da Vinci methods when performs my drawing, taking my time, having fun and research slowly also earn experiences in many ways. The result is, my drawing itself as you see.

P/S: Some people says, today they need it FAST, but sometimes do it slowly as Leonardo Da Vinci, Pablo Picasso, Michaelangelo did their works for many years, and still famous and their work are admired for lifetime. The same goes for modern times, you just need to train the ways of oldtimers, before the computers were invented to produce the best quality. then, once it have become routine, then go for the digital and assimilates the way of old, train it again to become routine. The result of this discipline, you have a variety of ways to express your work and can handle many things when drawing.

Patience:-
This is what many people lacks as of today (not all actually, ask yourself) where they need to do it in instant, where patience is not in their heart. For example, as the above in no.1 says, Discipline training also need your patience as it will nurtured you to become a calm yet quality artist. IF you just want to draw fast and to get many feedbacks without using the No.1, surely, you'll gain it for a short time not a very lasting one... Many wants their work to be everlasting before making anew one actually and patience in drawing to develop it is one of the key itself...

Patience itself can make provide you not just in drawings but in life also to withstand the current tides of the world. When patience were instilled inside you, you'll never have to worried and can make accurate decision to perform your task even when something bothers you. As you see in many old ways, they withstand great hardship to make arts and they succeed even after they long gone. History of Arts tells us back on how they do it, the methods and the tips, ONLY it's up to you to merge it into today's world.

Please do try the advice, IF all alternatives doesn't fit in.....You know where to find me X33 Hope it helps... (Thanks for reminding me, and quite a bit busy these days)

Maxx_Wellington
11-05-2011, 10:38 PM
hey, Lordsyafiq: thanks for the long reply... I will take everything into consideration.

Actually my drawing process starts out messy and ends up clean; ever since I went to school back in 2006.

I will put the story into a spoiler to save time for everyone:
In 2006, I tried taking schooling for 2D animation. I had to leave for medical reasons. Anyways, I kept showing shawdy work and needed to learn to relax. So the teachers there forced me to draw sloppy. They refused to help me unless I had a few too many lines on my page. Ever since, I start my sketches with very light motion lines, and build from there in light, messy lines. This seems to work in giving life to my work and allowing me to think of the whole picture rather than the details of the knee. Then, when I am satisfied with the gyst of my character, I add a few basic clothing, like shirt dimentions and such, then I finish by adding dark, clean lines in which I can focus on just the leg, knowing it will turn out allright (as long as I haven`t screwed up the anatomy already. ^^

However PAtience, faith and fun are the three foundations of art, and I forgot that. Thanks lordsyafiq, for reminding me of what`s important.


Here are two more sketches I made so far:

Kim, redrawn (Thanks to Nisaren`s refferance sites):
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=001-2.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/001-2.jpg" border="0" alt="Kim" height="50&#37;" width="50&#37;"></a>

And I am working on a self portrait:
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0012-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0012-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" height="50&#37;" width="50%"></></a>
Just to let you know, I am supposed to be an art school student drawing on the fourth wall

Known issues with Kim: HEr head and boobs look funny. her arms look funny. And I know her nose is way too big, I just do that to get a facial direction.

Known issues with me: He`s cock eyed.


Redlines are welcome!!

Here is a ref of me, for those who would like to know/look at it for refferance.
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=100_0746-1-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/100_0746-1-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Me" height="50%" width="50%"></a>

Blue_Dragon
11-05-2011, 11:02 PM
Wow! You're showing some great improvements with Ratchet! I really like how you've made her pose come alive! She's got a lot more motion, and you've drawn the whole body, which I like better than the previous sketch where she's cut off at the calves.

In addition to the issues you pointed out with her, I might also suggest her neck be just slightly shorter (not much, just a little.) The calves are close, but not quite the same length (I like the pose, though.) I think you've got a really good start here! You've been showing quite a bit of improvement! Rock on!

Oh, and the reason why her arms look "funny" is because the humerus is way longer than the ulna and radius. They should be roughly the same length, and that would help her out.

On the second sketch--I love the mouse thing. Its really cool looking!

Critique wise, I'd start with the arms again. Although it's in perspective, the humerus is not long enough. It should probably stick out a bit more from the body, or come straight now more (depending on where you want to hold your arm.) Hips could be a little wider and your calves a bit too short (in my opinion.)

I think I'm gonna like the clothes when you're done-ties always remind me of Spike (from Cowboy Bebop--I'm sure you know it ;) ) for some reason :P

You're doing great! Keep it up man!

lordsyafiq
11-06-2011, 04:31 AM
Maxx_Wellington:-
Haha, I do well known you have medical problems from the way of the drawings... Drawings speak more than words and I do have a bit of experiences teaching students that have medical problems... To be honest, I'm a Chronic Schizophrenic with Premature Birth (7 Month) and yeah, I have similar situation where I couldn't do much and leave everything behind, including my chances to go to USA Florida for Graphic Design in Game & Animation (3D and 2D) based on my artworks (I passed "Excellent" my TOEFL last year)...

BUT, instead I choose to dedicate myself to draw over the years and pass down this knowledge to everyone as I know this one shall help many in succeeding (although I mostly not online, BUT my drawings are the key for everyone). Mostly I'm a freelancer & tutor workshop with many difficulties in Malaysia, BUT what most importantly, we all have everyone that supports us and love us (including your fans)..."You happy, everything shall be A-OK" from a proverb in movies.... So, inspire yourself, make yourself comfortable, healthy and live the life to it's fullest, any obstacles that gets in the way, find the roots and take it out...It will be a cancer also haunts ya back later on in Life, and nobody wants that...

There's always a solutions in any problems, just ask yourself, look around and find the path and routes of solutions including drawings... Think of our own Life as "The Da Vinci Code" in our own version.... You just need to find the combinations, key and solve the puzzle...

OK, I believe it's enough of my Ojisan style ramblings....Too much of my lecture in workshop these days makes me says too many senseless things.... Not all of my methods people can agree on, choose which is the best for yourself and go for it X33
Take care and I'll see you again, Laters~~ *Working*

P/S:-
Haha, you're very handsome in the picture, here's mine to share with everyone:-
http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/lordsyafiq_naz/th_S73R2292.jpg (http://s5.photobucket.com/albums/y192/lordsyafiq_naz/?action=view&current=S73R2292.jpg)

Gedeon
11-06-2011, 08:00 AM
HEY MAX! PRETTY GOOD! Id say just to watch out for your legs. The women sketch is pretty good but if she lifted her leg (as can be seen, since her knee is up) watch out for where the foot and the lower calf(i think its called a calf)should be. They should have also been raised. Other then that massive improvement anatomy-wise!

corastaur
11-06-2011, 01:03 PM
This is looking pretty sweet! Can't wait to see it finished! Another thing with the arms, in addition to what blue_dragon said, is that they are too long overall. At the moment it looks like they fall all the way down to her knees... which arms dont do... If you move her body closer to the car it would let you shorten the arms. Thats all I really had to say :monkey_ehheh:

The one you're doing of yourself looks awesome! Keep it up!

Maxx_Wellington
11-07-2011, 12:27 PM
Maxx_Wellington:-
Haha, I do well known you have medical problems from the way of the drawings...

Actually I left school cause I have a constant case of hives. It`s itchy blemishes on the skin and everyone worried too much to work. So I had to leave and miss too many days.

Maxx_Wellington
11-07-2011, 12:36 PM
Thanks everyone for your help


it looks like they fall all the way down to her knees... which arms dont do...

Actually my fingers reach below my knees, and my dad is worse... we have longer arms.

Will work on the arts....

corastaur
11-07-2011, 02:00 PM
whoa craziness!!! :) Well i know for a lot of girls anyway the fingers end somewhere between half-way and 3/4 down the thigh. Good luck!

Maxx_Wellington
11-08-2011, 02:54 AM
thanks. I will work hard on her. then I have an idea on how to present her to you guys (muhahahaha)

Maxx_Wellington
11-12-2011, 06:30 PM
ok so this is an older picture I made when I wanted to draw three little monkeys.. I still think it's a cute poster but I wouldn't mind it being redlined....

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0013-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0013-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" width=50&#37; height=50&#37;></a>

Maxx_Wellington
11-14-2011, 10:41 PM
wow, no one likes monekys?

Evil_Cake
11-14-2011, 11:19 PM
monkeys are p cool

Maxx_Wellington
11-14-2011, 11:26 PM
if they are cool, why isn't anyone commenting on my monkey?

Blue_Dragon
11-15-2011, 01:10 AM
It looks pretty, well, good. I don't think there's much to critique. Maybe the hand that's scratching could be a little more detailed...um...how do you put it? Fleshed out a little more? The upper arm maybe could use a little more muscle definition?

I'm grabbing at straws, cause it looks fine aside from the hands (and even they don't need much work.) He's cute :) Was this just for fun, or a project?

corastaur
11-15-2011, 01:14 AM
I love monkeys!!! :cat_yahoo: I could try to do a redline... but i'm not sure how much help it'd be. I will say this: I think the eyes could be more exaggerated. Meaning if the left (our left) eyebrow were raised more and the right eyebrow and eye were lowered some it would make the monkey's expression clearer. I also feel like somethings off with the arms but I just can't put my finger on it. It looks pretty cute :)

Maxx_Wellington
11-15-2011, 02:46 AM
He's cute :) Was this just for fun, or a project?

Here is the back story of the monkey in two parts:
Part 1: Where the idea came from:
I drew a bunny that I need to find and put in my gallery, as a cute bunny needing a hug (joke went over everyone's head) and then drew a bunny version of me in the same style. That one is my display pic, although I don't wear the hat anymore.... Anyways, I wrote a poem storybook about it and wanted to draw the bunny to go with it (although apperantly I am not that great of a poet as I thought and people get offended by the moral) {If you want me to post the poem, please vote for it by telling me (by e-mail or on this thread)} Anyways, I was thinking up the next book and the book after that and a song got stuck in my head (made up by me):
Three little monkeys sitting on a branch
One steals your hat and one steals your pants
The third one says with so much care
Next time don't forget your underwear

Well I thought of the three little monkeys and:
I thought of an awesome way to draw them (as the see-no-evil, speak-no-evil, hear-no-evil monkeys) But I needed a model, so I decided to draw a monkey head, then the monkey body.... arms.... then I came up with the one I posted up....

that's the long winded backstory... oh and ps:
the backstory to the song is that, like all great artists, I have lost my mind :cat_yahoo:

Hope that wasn't too many Spoilers


I also feel like somethings off with the arms but I just can't put my finger on it.

Me either... that's what made me relate to the monkey.... making the same expression as him trying to figgure it out...

Maxx_Wellington
11-15-2011, 02:52 AM
oh and I would also love to get you guys' imput on my storylines in the anime works page

corastaur
11-15-2011, 09:45 PM
hahaha the song made me laugh, thats a pretty cool idea! I want to see the poem, i vote you post it.

edit: I looked at the arms again and I think part of it is that they aren't equal sizes. The left arm (our left) is smaller (length-wise esp in the lower arm) than the right arm.

Maxx_Wellington
11-16-2011, 02:36 PM
Thanks corastaur... by the way, what`s with your name?

corastaur
11-16-2011, 07:59 PM
well haha my last name is "staurseth" hence the "-staur" (it's norwegian...) and I didn't feel like using my first name in my username so I just used the random one my sister always puts in her usernames, hence "corastaur". TADA my real name is colleen, feel free to use whichever :cat_tea:

Maxx_Wellington
11-16-2011, 10:55 PM
ok Colleen,

I will try to post up three pictures later today

Maxx_Wellington
11-22-2011, 04:54 PM
Ok, after a long break, I am ready to post one new pic lol... I will be working on the others today and hopefully post them up tonight.

but for now, I will post up a picture I was hesitating to post as it's not really anime, but I hope it's cute enough to bypass that fact.....

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=thelittlescientist.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/thelittlescientist.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Maxx_Wellington
11-22-2011, 11:28 PM
ok so today didn't go as planned.. but I did get to work on my self portrait...

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" Height="90&#37;" width="90%"></a>

things to know...
1. no, it's not a caterpillar on my lip, nary a squirl... it's a mustache... and a goat... I forget the technical name, will get back with it...
2. I am, if you forgot, drawing on the fourth wall (aka the screen of your computer)
3. I am wearing a teal shirt, black tie, sports jacket (thinking of adding a school emblem) and black jeans.
4. If you are currious, I am holding a sketch pad with the word SKETCH written on it... I am soo creative -laughs at self-
5. I know I suck but be as hard as you can, cause I want to make awesome art...


6. redlines aren't only welcome, they earn brownie points... yes, e-brownies with almonds and chocolate pudding on top... mmmmmm

Maxx_Wellington
11-23-2011, 12:30 AM
didn't get a post for a while, but I dunno where to ask this, so I will ask it here... in hopes for one....

What's the difference between colouring and inking?

Cloudy
11-23-2011, 12:49 AM
Inking is usually doing the line-art for your picture, colouring is just colouring your art.

Maxx_Wellington
11-23-2011, 11:08 PM
Thanks Cloudy-chan, I always thought it was another type of art..

Anyways, care to critique on my art?

Blue_Dragon
11-30-2011, 12:36 AM
Hey-o!
I've been gone a while...eating food with relatives, and working on stuff for people since I can't buy gifts this year. But, I'm trying to catch up on critiquing where people haven't been, so here I am! (plus, you're always really good at critiquing people.)

Okay, first one:
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=thelittlescientist.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/thelittlescientist.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>[/QUOTE]

There's not much that needs worked on here-the image is pretty tight :) Two things I noticed, though.
1) Under his belly, I think that coat tail should curve away from the body, just a little bit.
2)Either his right shoulder (our left) needs to be more defined, or his neck needs to be just a little thinner. It looks a bit too wide in my opinion. I could be wrong.

I like it though! Not much needs work :3

And this one:
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=0014.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/0014.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket" Height="90&#37;" width="90&#37;"></a>

I'm only going to point out a few things.

I think your left leg (our right) should be out a little bit, cause the body looks as though it's leaning forward a bit. Having that leg step out a bit will not only balance the image, but also give you a bit more presence.

Um...also, your belt could be a bit more rounded. I mean, instead of straight lines for the belt, curve them about to follow the shape of the body/waist. I think the right shoulder (our left) doesn't need to indent or dip inward...after the shoulder. Does that make sense? Sorry if it doesn't. If you want me to clarify, just let me know.

I like the detail you're putting into the suit, and if you fill in the hair a bit, I'm sure the mustache and goatee will look fine :) No caterpillars here. I can't wait to see it finished--it's starting out nice. Just need to fix some things here and there.

Keep it up :3

Maxx_Wellington
11-30-2011, 02:01 AM
Thanks for all your critiques Blue Dragon,

For the first guy:
I know the right shoulder needs to be defined more, however I wasn't (and still am unsure) how to do that.... and both coat tails should be curved away?

For the self portrait:
I wasn't supposed to be leaning, just streatching a bit. in other words, my body wasn't supposed to be swaying right or left, but rather my right shoulder is supposed to be forward a bit... And I didn't go into great details with any fabric as I got obsessed with my right hand (which I ended up failing every time), and cause I try not to go into details until I am done the basic.



I will post up a picture of me actually dressed as I am in my self portrait in a couple of days (got caught up with work)

By the way, anyone know how to stop my scanner from having that gradient of light all the time?

Blue_Dragon
11-30-2011, 02:27 AM
Maybe it needs a new bulb? o_O

I got nothing. That (thankfully) hasn't happened to me (yet.)

Also, I think it's good you'll be posting the picture :) That'll help us with crits.

Maxx_Wellington
12-01-2011, 08:58 PM
ok as promised:

<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=100_0750-1.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/100_0750-1.jpg" border="0" alt="Photobucket"></a>

Gedeon
12-03-2011, 07:18 PM
Well i don't know if your were trying the do a replico of the pic you showed up there, or if you just used it as a reference but if you did then.......

http://i1208.photobucket.com/albums/cc362/Gedeon-Gedza/0014.jpg
I didn't do the face since you were going for the mangish style so not a lot of your facial features would matter. But as for the body:

1)You have a wider torso
2)Your shoulder was higher and the arm is too bent inwards and not twowards(i misspelled that one right?) us.
3) Your face was turned more to us.


So there waiting for more of your stuff.

Oh btw WHERE ARE MY BROWNIE POINTS!!!??? :D

toast
12-03-2011, 07:40 PM
When trying to draw from another photo, what I tend to do is focus on a small part each time instead of the full picture. Like I try to focus on the lines, the spacing between different parts, etc. Because I find that when I just think about the whole picture, it messes up the proportions.

Also, remember to use body guidelines. Maybe draw some guidelines on the actual photo, and try to copy those guidelines you made on paper. This why your pose and mannerism in the photo will match your drawing better.

Sylux
12-03-2011, 09:05 PM
You could always grid it

Maxx_Wellington
12-03-2011, 11:34 PM
muhahaha my masterplan has succeeded!

I thank Sylux, toast, and Gedion for their comments however none of you guys have guessed it. I took the picture after I drew myself.

Here's how I did it:
Using the long mirror, I posed in the clothes and slowly drew a skeleton (or stick figure) and then built from it. Later, I wasn't getting any help so I thought an image might work so I took the picture. In other words, the picture came after the drawing, not before.

@Gedeon... I will cook up a brownie for you. Unfortunately for you, you would have had two, but the lack of details in the hands (which have been torchuring me) cut it down... then again, you did make me laugh with your choice of face, so two brownies it is.... oh and towards only has one w....

Blue_Dragon
12-04-2011, 04:06 PM
Cool picture.

yeah, like Ged did (does that rhyme o_O) I'd bring that coat tail out a little bit. According to the photo, I might even bring it out a little more than the red line. Just a little, the red line's good.

For the facial features, I think you have the features "facing" us (for lack of a better word.) The lapels of the suit jacket should probably be a little bit higher, also. I think I got here late, cause most everything I can think of has been addressed.

Hope that's helpful, though :)

Maxx_Wellington
12-04-2011, 08:18 PM
Welcome to the party Blue Dragon!

Well other than I don't have a clue what a lapel is, your critique has been very helpful!

Blue_Dragon
12-05-2011, 06:36 AM
Isn't the name of the fabric that's folded over above the pecs? I'm assuming that's the name, cause they call those pins "lapels." But I'm no fashion designer, and my dude's sleeping...I'm not about to wake him to ask.

Edit: Oh, here. I just found this image...also, if anyone finds it offensive...I didn't draw it. But it actually points to the lapel, so it's helpful :P

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/c/cf/Lapel_(PSF).png

Second edit:

The Party's Crashing us now (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LolPT5a_ZMc&ob=av2e).

Maxx_Wellington
12-05-2011, 11:07 PM
Thanks Blue Dragon. A Brownie point for you since you have added a pic to help!

and dunno what's with the vid, but the song has a kinda beatles kinda feel to it, so ROCK ON!

Blue_Dragon
12-06-2011, 02:09 AM
Yeah, you're very right. Of Montreal started as one of the Elephant 6, along with the Apples in Stereo. They've since evolved into electronica dance music, but I still love em.

the more you know. :) *nom nom brownie*

Maxx_Wellington
12-06-2011, 11:44 PM
BACK TO ART!!!! haha I find it funny that Blue Dragon was the only one of all my critiquers to actually touch my scientist.

Maxx_Wellington
12-24-2011, 03:26 AM
Haha like I said, I am back, after a dry spell of losing all ability to draw (and having a cold... hope that's not the reason... :cat_dead: )

Anyways, I have been working last month on a christmas comic. however I don't know how to instill the mood of fear and uncertainty within a child's eye without animation, so I decided to keep that idea for when I can animate... For now, please enjoy the fruits of december's labour.
<a href="http://s1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/?action=view&amp;current=001-3.jpg" target="_blank"><img src="http://i1136.photobucket.com/albums/n488/MaxxDesk/001-3.jpg" border="0" alt="Christmas 2011" height="70&#37;" width="70%"></a>
And here is some info on it

~This process included three mainversions, the last one having three copies since I screwed the end result.
~First version was a quick sketch for layout reasons. I already had the story in mind so, no need to retype it...
~Second copy was a full size orange pencil drawing of all the panels. it was made with the intention of errasing the orange lines however, pencil, no matter the colour, doesn't errase all that well. So I used a fine point sharpie and traced the finished lines.
~Third copy was the final. To do this, I used a pencil to lightly mark the corners of the panels and a ruler and pen to make the boxes. I also created a frame using two pieces of paper in order to keep the rough draft and the final aligned. (will make tutorial)
~The origional drawing was done in errasable orange pencil
~The thought process behind this was the simple question "What if someone got airsick in Santa's sleigh?"

Probably I will get a lot of disses, but hey, beauty is in the eye of the beholder.... so let them rip!

Maxx_Wellington
12-27-2011, 04:47 AM
aaand Christmas has ended..

Maxx_Wellington
12-31-2011, 01:24 AM
hmm well it seems that MT, at least when it comes to my form, has died out. and I hate the expression milking a dead dog (as it is very unapropreate I think)

So I think I will go for a bit. Thanks to everyone who commented on my past work. I will work hard and come back later, when I have a bunch of art for you to see.

Gedeon
12-31-2011, 09:19 PM
And we shall wait.