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Erikku
10-04-2011, 07:39 AM
Let's talk about what games we're playing at this time. Let me start. I'm playing Phoenix Wright: Ace Attorney on a DS emulator.

Matt
10-04-2011, 08:54 AM
What a coincidence. I just finished that game (on the emulator) and I'm now playing around with mods in New Vegas.

It's sorta boring, though, and all the crap with Steam is annoying me since I'm never connected to the Internet and can't get the updates required to fix problems that shouldn't have been there in the first place (i.e. crap framerate during dialogue sequences on a high-end machine). Also, I WAS playing GTAIV on the PC, but it completely crashed when I tried to install the latest update and wouldn't even start.

trilokcool3
10-04-2011, 09:36 AM
currently playin NINJA BLADE, WANTED nd NFS MOST WANTED...
awesome feeling while playin these games . Loving it

GunZet
10-04-2011, 10:27 AM
I've been playing a bunch of games lately, but here's the ones that'v gotten the most attention.
Gears of War 3
Bulletstorm
Fallout New Vegas
Killing Floor
Battlefield 2

Outcast
10-04-2011, 10:58 AM
Lately I've been playing Bayonetta, Front Mission 3, Xenogears and Fallout: NV

Hell_Baron
10-08-2011, 10:05 AM
I just got Aliens: Infestation for the DS.
pretty damn rad.

Matt
10-08-2011, 10:28 PM
Guitar Hero: Warriors of Rock. It's actually a pretty terrible game, but it's a solid GH entry. No change in formula (for the better, I think), no new aesthetics, no new anything. I like that you can customize your character to look fairly normal, since I'm not much into the multipiercings, heavy makeup, and abundant tattoos that are often associated with the franchise. That aside, a heavily-modded Frets on Fire is probably many times better.

And Bastion. It's fun, it's artsy, and it's challenging. I love it.

kaspar
10-10-2011, 01:09 AM
I'm playing FIFA 12 (PC) & Gears of War 3 (Xbox 360)

Son44
10-12-2011, 07:19 AM
Sengoku Rance, Final Fantasy 7 and Ico & Shadow of the Colossus Collection

Erikku
10-12-2011, 07:51 AM
Ace Attorney Investigations: Miles Edgeworth

I've got pretty hooked with that game lately.

Matt
10-12-2011, 09:56 AM
Just Cause 2.

In what other game can you tether a bad guy to a hijacked military jet and surf on the nose cone into the nearest building, diving off just before impact and parachuting into the middle of a gunfight?

Kenzieroo
10-12-2011, 11:25 AM
Final Fantasy 13, my 360 broke so I have to wait. Wish the game would work on a regular Xbox

GunZet
10-12-2011, 12:48 PM
Just Cause 2.

In what other game can you tether a bad guy to a hijacked military jet and surf on the nose cone into the nearest building, diving off just before impact and parachuting into the middle of a gunfight?

That game's amazing.

Fenn
10-12-2011, 04:27 PM
Moving through my first playthrough of 999. It's got me hooked.

Sylux
10-12-2011, 06:12 PM
Finished ME2 today. Decided I liked it, so I purchased it (to support BioWare and get hella good graphics upgrade), and I'm about to start a femShep campaign and get Garrus to show me his reach and flexibility.

GunZet
10-12-2011, 10:10 PM
Finished ME2 today. Decided I liked it, so I purchased it (to support BioWare and get hella good graphics upgrade), and I'm about to start a femShep campaign and get Garrus to show me his reach and flexibility.
If you wanna think we're dancing together, go ahead.

Sylux
10-13-2011, 01:20 PM
I do wanna think that!

Outcast
10-14-2011, 07:09 PM
"Really commander?"
"*sigh* Probing uranas."

GunZet
10-14-2011, 07:22 PM
Hahaha I found that on my second play around while I was screwing with mods and stuff. Hilarious.

Sylux
10-14-2011, 09:53 PM
I got this mod right here (http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=iqqOp3Hyb5c) and I'm freaked right out

GunZet
10-14-2011, 10:03 PM
OH fking hell, what IS that.

Sylux
10-14-2011, 10:11 PM
Cerberus couldn't afford to rebuild Shepard accurately, as far as cosmetics go

snowb400
10-15-2011, 09:29 PM
SOME people have only a wii and free games for steam, like TF2.

Outcast
10-16-2011, 10:46 AM
SOME people should earn some money.

snowb400
10-16-2011, 01:36 PM
Exactly how would I do that? And also, why would I buy a DS with said earnings?

Outcast
10-16-2011, 02:45 PM
Try for a job or an allowance.
If it's your money spend it on what you please.

GunZet
10-16-2011, 03:16 PM
Or just go to school, get financial aid. Pass your classes, get free money to blow on whatever shit you want.

At least that's what I do.

Sylux
10-16-2011, 07:42 PM
Halfway done with Assassin's Creed. Should I play II and then Brotherhood next, or Deus Ex then the other two ACs?

GunZet
10-16-2011, 07:45 PM
Just get Skyrim and forget about the rest.

Sylux
10-16-2011, 07:46 PM
Oh good idea

Matt
10-16-2011, 09:21 PM
After losing my job (injury), I'm in a tight spot, having reserved a preordered copy of Skyrim for $5 and agreeing to pay $55 when it came out. Not only do I not have $55, but I did the same with Uncharted 3.

Well . . . commissions open.

Oh, and Smash Bros Brawl. Played it at a party yesterday.

Regantor
10-17-2011, 06:17 AM
Bought Metal Gear Solid; Peace Walker for cheap. It's a wishlist of all the things an MGS fan could want!... Exactly how he didn't want it. -_-

Seriously, through, I thought Portable Ops was greatness, like a Battlefield 2 RPG with giant robots. Peace Walker supposedly had more of MGS3's survivalist stuff, vehicles and base building on top of that, so I had high hopes. But what the back of the box doesn't tell you is that they also removed everything that was good about PO; The ability to actually use your other dudes freely, and the short and unobtrusive plot. While you can build your own vehicles and metal gears, it's basically just number crunching with no graphics. For people who actually like the typical overblown melodrama of metal gear plots, take note how most of the characters are supposed to be Costa Rican, and yet are pretty lazily just represented as white people with silly accents. None of the technology makes sense like it did in MGS3, either.

It's like a science experiment. PO had little to do with Kojima and was pretty good. Peace Walker has him at the wheel, and it's a bit of a clusterfuck. Not outright horrible-terrible, just a miss-mash of oddly formed ideas.

I sense George Lucas syndrome.

6.5/10

Superdooperphailmachine
10-17-2011, 06:28 AM
I loved portable ops, It was like a kidnap simulator.

Regantor
10-17-2011, 06:50 AM
Yeah boi! But they even removed your bodysnatching van in Peace Walker.

Priorities, priorities...

Son44
10-17-2011, 08:45 AM
Yeah boi! But they even removed your bodysnatching van in Peace Walker.

Priorities, priorities...

Bodysnatching van? That sounds awesome, in a sick kind of way...... Too bad I don't have a psp

GunZet
10-17-2011, 12:03 PM
I've been eyeballing MGPO, Guess I should download the demo lol.

Tetsuphil
10-17-2011, 01:32 PM
I'm playing mah new console right now; the Nes :D With frikkin mario and zelda

classsicccs

Sylux
10-17-2011, 09:51 PM
You kids and your portable game gear

Regantor
10-17-2011, 10:01 PM
How has nobody ever made a Soviet version of the original Mario? It's just too perfect.

Also probably worth mentioning that MGPO wasn't actually that gorey or anything. Just hilariously friggin' sinister in it's implications... Like stockholm syndrome played out Pokemon style, plus claymore mines that you can bait with porno mags... I'm just digging a bigger hole here, aren't I? XD

Sylux
10-17-2011, 10:04 PM
Speaking of Mario, I'm finally on Assassin's Creed 2

GunZet
10-17-2011, 10:47 PM
How has nobody ever made a Soviet version of the original Mario? It's just too perfect.

Also probably worth mentioning that MGPO wasn't actually that gorey or anything. Just hilariously friggin' sinister in it's implications... Like stockholm syndrome played out Pokemon style, plus claymore mines that you can bait with porno mags... I'm just digging a bigger hole here, aren't I? XD

You were saying?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZDZSZ2xd5os

FrancysPai
10-18-2011, 07:40 AM
Super Street Fighter IV as per usual, Blazblue (Prepping for a tournament this weekend D: ) other than that, Wipeout, BECAUSE I WILL GET TO MACH 1 ON SEBENCO CLIMB'S ZONES D:<

Superdooperphailmachine
10-19-2011, 06:26 AM
One of my friends would always sit on a roof with dirty magazines at the top of the ladder and shoot you in the face when it trapped you.

Regantor
10-22-2011, 09:13 PM
You were saying?

Mario is a guy dressed in red, with a big fluffy mustache and a peak cap, who collects stars... How was he not Stalin that video? x_x


One of my friends would always sit on a roof with dirty magazines at the top of the ladder and shoot you in the face when it trapped you.

"War... War has changed."

On a totally unrelated note, been playing Assault Suits Leynos 2 on my Saturn again. Metal Slug/Contra with giant robots, basically... If you've played 'Cybernator' or 'Metal Warriors' on the SNES, it's sort of a direct cousin taken to the next level. *^*

GunZet
10-22-2011, 09:22 PM
You bastard, you have a Saturn!? Man, I miss mine.

Regantor
10-22-2011, 09:44 PM
Couldn't afford one as a kid, so I only just bought one recently...

So-called 'modern' consoles don't even have _-`*BLAST PROCESSING*'-_ anyway. :>

GunZet
10-22-2011, 09:49 PM
I got one from my grandma yeaaaaaars back. I still don't see why that system was so overlooked compared to the Genesis.

jubeh
10-22-2011, 10:14 PM
Playing rocksmith

Regantor
10-22-2011, 10:26 PM
What games did you have? So far, the best I have played are probably the Panzer Dragoon series. Saga in particular should have been a FFVII-killer by all rights...

As for why it died so easily, I guess it was just a combination of infighting and bad marketing. Alot of the terrible ideas like the Sega CD and 32X were American-born, but they did admittedly found Service Games in the first place. The Japanese department probably focused a bit too much on their home turf in retaliation, and the rest is history. No Radiant Silver gun, Baroque, or the like for most of us westerners. :/

GunZet
10-22-2011, 10:46 PM
Well, I had a demo disc with Clockwork Knight, and Panzer Dragoon. Then I had Nights. And then Galactic Attack, and Darius Gaiden.

CypressDahlia
10-23-2011, 09:18 AM
I disagree with your Saga point. It was a great game, but far TOO linear (like rail-shooter linear, even) and the battle system just didn't have enough bulk.

But yeah, Assault Suits Valken was an awesome game.

wolfman
10-23-2011, 12:18 PM
GTA 1,2,3,4 vice city and san andreas on steam for 5 o-o i bought it on friday and have played san andreas for 19 hours already

GunZet
10-23-2011, 01:17 PM
My goodness, I play a lot of game. But that' just fking insane.

Regantor
10-23-2011, 01:32 PM
I disagree with your Saga point. It was a great game, but far TOO linear (like rail-shooter linear, even) and the battle system just didn't have enough bulk.

Admittedly I don't get all that far on many RPGs, mostly because they a fairly clichetastic genre even at the best of times. But within that I do think Saga does deserve more respect on pure innovation alone. It's still one of the most enjoyable RPGs I've played no matter which way you put it, with features like total character mutability and simple fast-paced battle system that barely get touched today.

Not saying it's the absolute ultimate RPG or anything. Just majorly unsung.

CypressDahlia
10-23-2011, 02:02 PM
Yeah it was definitely underrated. I hope they remake it as a full-fledged action RPG.

BozeSG
10-23-2011, 06:43 PM
i'm doing a second playthrough of mass effect now, and i'm waiting for battlefield 3 release...

jubeh
10-23-2011, 10:48 PM
Also started suikoden. Apparently the second one is the best? Because this one is p boring.

Blue_Dragon
10-25-2011, 02:07 AM
I've been playing the "first" Shadow Hearts game, which has been pretty fun. But then I found out it's not really the first and some other Koudelka game on PS1 is. Now I'm going to want to play it...hm...Has anyone here played it before?

jubeh
10-25-2011, 02:11 AM
No but there's an lp on youtube if you can't manage to track the game down.

Blue_Dragon
10-25-2011, 04:06 AM
Thanks :)

I think you can get it on amazon, too. It's like $33 or something. I can probably find it cheaper.

Hell_Baron
10-25-2011, 01:44 PM
Just finished Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic, up next is it's sequel

weez18
10-25-2011, 02:21 PM
oo street fighter third strike streetfighter alppha 2 marvel vs capcom 2 n 3 n im going out to buy tekken 6 again...after my little brother scratched it to hell lol n im waiting for skyrim, ultimate marvel vs capcom and modern warfare 3...o n just played through resident evil 2,3,4,5 lol best zombie series in my opinion ^^ o also cant forget about blazeblue buttons r tricky but all in all pretty fun

GunZet
10-26-2011, 01:43 AM
So last month I bought the Battlefield 2 Collectors Edition, and ever since then it's seemed like the same old game. I was like, wtf is new? So there was this button I never pressed, and sure enough, there were expansions lol. So now it just got a whole lot more awesome and I"m playing it again.
I also downloaded a mod file for it, which allows me to play with 64 bots in SP. NOW it's Battlefield.

jubeh
10-26-2011, 01:46 AM
Just finished Star Wars: Knights of the old Republic, up next is it's sequel

Sequels way worse but so much better

Hell_Baron
10-26-2011, 10:29 AM
Sequels way worse but so much better

tell me about it, luckily i found a restored content mod so i'll get the actual ending of the game.
in case you guys have no idea what i'm talking about, allow me to educate you on this matter.

when Obsidian was working on KoToR 2 they had all kinds of awesome shit planned for it. however, Lucasarts (which owns the rights to anything star wars related) persuaded them to finish the game sooner than planned, seen as the holidays where coming up and they wanted to cash in big time. unfortunately, this meant that Obsidian had to cut loads of content from the game in order to get it done.
the result: a broken and unfinished game. luckily a couple of hackers found out that there was cut content still in the coding of the game and started retrieving it, thus restoring the game bit by bit and creating the Restored content mod. however, they haven't restored everything yet seen as there are still 2 complete planets missing and a couple of quests.

KakashiTheSharingan
10-26-2011, 10:55 AM
oo street fighter third strike streetfighter alppha 2 marvel vs capcom 2 n 3 n im going out to buy tekken 6 again...after my little brother scratched it to hell lol n im waiting for skyrim, ultimate marvel vs capcom and modern warfare 3...o n just played through resident evil 2,3,4,5 lol best zombie series in my opinion ^^ o also cant forget about blazeblue buttons r tricky but all in all pretty fun

I got those games too except resident evil series and skyrim. Do you play online? What console?

weez18
10-26-2011, 02:18 PM
yea i ply online..on the ps3 my psn ID is weasergirr..n no im not a girl lol
I got those games too except resident evil series and skyrim. Do you play online? What console?

GunZet
10-28-2011, 10:07 AM
Just bought Borderlands lol, been wanting to play that game forever.

CypressDahlia
10-28-2011, 11:00 AM
Play Berserker ahahahaha. It's fun. Though phasewalk at higher levels is just plain broken.

GunZet
10-28-2011, 11:31 AM
I just wanna play as whoever's best with guns. I mostly bought this cuz I wanna get to know the game before Borderlands 2 comes out. Freaking double miniguns? fkyea.

weez18
10-28-2011, 02:12 PM
aha borderlands is a pretty awesome game n from what i hear u might like the soldier..dude hes pretty awesome i love his turret special

GunZet
10-28-2011, 02:28 PM
Lol yep I just started playing a few hours ago. Chose the soldier first, loving it so far. Although I wish the textures on the rocks and stuff could be a tad bit sharper closeup.

CypressDahlia
10-28-2011, 02:39 PM
If you play the gun classes it just plays like a standard FPS, that's why you should play the non-gun classes. Though basically anyone who's not a hunter basically becomes a support character until they're high level...so Borderlands has to work out their class balancing in that sense.

wolfman
10-28-2011, 05:54 PM
i HATE playing in a group with a beserker...... i always play as the sniper and every time i get my sight on an enemy head i suddenly the giant dude fill my sights who starts pummeling it with his fists

GunZet
10-28-2011, 06:27 PM
I got no probs with it playing like a generic shooter. It's pretty fun. I mostly just dig it cause of it's art design lol.

weez18
10-29-2011, 04:37 AM
is anyone else excited for skyrim besides me 0_0

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 01:42 PM
I got no probs with it playing like a generic shooter.

The reason why Western RPGs are Western RPGs.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 02:51 PM
I don't know why, but Japanese shooters feel weird, in general. I'd say some that've done it right are Lost Planet and uh [insert game here].

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 03:17 PM
Japanese aren't very good at shooters, yeah. America isn't very good at story-driven games. Both need to make some compromises when it comes to the RPG genre, though. West needs to stop making everything a generic FPS and Japan needs to stop with the ridiculous number of menus.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 03:18 PM
America isn't very good at story-driven games.

Lol you're being for real right now?

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 03:40 PM
Totally for real. Open-endedness =/= story-driven. Actually open-endedness often = lack of a strong core plot.

The only recent games I can think of that had a really strong story are Heavy Rain and Alan Wake.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 03:41 PM
*coughMassEffectcough* Shit that's Canadian, nvm.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 03:43 PM
Totally for real. Open-endedness =/= story-driven. Actually open-endedness often = lack of a strong core plot.

The only recent games I can think of that had a really strong story are Heavy Rain and Alan Wake.

I wont turn this into a lost thread but there's way more than that and its actually pretty awful because games are just becoming playable movies at this point.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 03:44 PM
There is nothing spectacular about Mass Effect's story. Mass Effect 2 was mostly a generic TPS.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 03:46 PM
Whaaaat?

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 03:47 PM
There are so many plots revolving around a "periodic cleansing" of some form of sentient life. I don't take it you've played Megaman Legends?

Hayashida
10-29-2011, 03:49 PM
games are just becoming playable movies at this point.
Ughh... It's true...

jubeh
10-29-2011, 03:49 PM
I get that you apparently dont like stories that have been done before but you otter appreciate good writing at least. You played the games right.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 04:05 PM
Good writing a story that will hold my attention for 20+ hours does not make.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 04:10 PM
So...is it all about stories or something? lol.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 04:21 PM
That is nuts to me. Like if you're familiar with David Foster Wallace he was always upset about the linear nature of writing, and how inflexible it is. Now we have a medium that can approach writing a different way, but still you just want to be dragged along a story for 20 hours.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 04:27 PM
Yes, because when I see a movie, I want to be dragged along by a story for 2 hours and enjoy it. When I buy I book, I want to be dragged along by a story for however long it takes it finish it, and still be intrigued. Games are an entertainment medium. Their content is supposed to be both substantive and appealing. As I said in that other thread: open-endedness is a niche. What every game needs is a captivating CORE. A game SHOULD be able to drag you along for 20 hours with one, linear plot and maintain your interest. That is the impact of a good story.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 04:32 PM
I fail to see how an open ended and well written game isn't substantive and appealing. Also you seem to underestimate gaming as a medium that can tell stories in completely different ways than what you are accustomed to.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 04:34 PM
Of course not. I'm just making statements based on what I've seen. I've seen two distinct categories of games: open-ended games with flimsy, 10-hour plots and linear games with massive, captivating 50-hour plots. I just don't see why the two are so mutually exclusive. Where is the game that does both of these things?

basically I should be able to be satisfied JUST following the core plot. I should have the option NOT to embark on hours of incoherent sidequests and still feel like I got the most out of my purchase.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 04:46 PM
For the record I've never played a linear rpg that captivated me the whole way through. A lot of those hours are bullshit, but that's for another discussion.

The game that does both is torment, btw. Its on gog for like ten bucks.

As for your last point, I disagree. I mean obviously we can't measure how satisfying a plot is by any metric. Also I'm going through jrpgs on psn and a lot of the main stories consist of retarded sidequests because you have to have some way to break up the monotony of the plot. I literally almost gave up playing breath of fire 4 because of the bullshit tag game with that idiot dog kid.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 04:47 PM
I've played some games more than 20 hours with little to no plot. And enjoyed them just as much as one with a giant plot and loooong story...maybe even more.
http://i109.photobucket.com/albums/n60/Hacked_Nijna/Unreal/MalcolmUnrealTournament2004.jpg?t=1261911686

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 04:53 PM
i agree on most of those points, but I'd still gamble on a linear game having a more captivating plot than one that relies on an oversaturation of choices to fill most of its playtime. Because at least you know that's where the focus was during development time.

and would you really say torment is "open-ended"? The only choice that really affects your ending occurs at the very end of the game, so really?

And gunzet: yeah, but you weren't looking for a plot, were you?

jubeh
10-29-2011, 04:55 PM
It absolutely is. There was no point in that game where I felt like I was being shoved around by the plot. Meaningful, open ended decisions dont always have to be big plot points or forks in the road.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 04:56 PM
I was when I played UT3, hoping it was good...but it was a gigantic fking letdown. All I'm saying is, it's not all about the story. Sure it amounts to something. But a game can have an excellent story, and execute everything else wrong. And at that point it might as well be a book rather than a game. All the elements have to work in harmony.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 04:57 PM
I think we're blurring the line between open-world and open-ended. An open-world game will always inherently be open-ended because you can physically go anywhere, but that does not make the plot open-ended. An open-ended plot actually makes your choices effective in the outcome of the story.

Sorry I'm mincing words a bit.

jubeh
10-29-2011, 05:00 PM
If it were only the outcome that mattered then an open-ended game would be any game with multiple endings right. Why not a game that changes how the story is told to you based on your decisions.

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 05:01 PM
Again: why can't we have both?

jubeh
10-29-2011, 05:03 PM
Alright well why wouldn't the first dragon age qualify

Edit: Wait I forgot about kotor 2 as well

CypressDahlia
10-29-2011, 11:21 PM
I haven't played Dragon Age so I can't say anything about that game specifically. If you think it satisfies, then I will try it. I'm just saying, of the games I have played, and I have played the 'staple RPGs' of this gen. I have played the original KOTOR but not the sequel. But for the record, the original KOTOR does not satisfy. Two-branch skill tree =/= open-endedness.

GunZet
10-29-2011, 11:26 PM
All I know about Dragon Age is something something something Grey Wardens.

jubeh
10-30-2011, 12:01 AM
I would submit that the real answer to your question (why can't we have both) is because its difficult. I thought about this at work today and the fact is its hard enough to write an original story, much less also leave it open enough for the players to effect it. I'm still under the opinion that if you want a story based game, that writing is much more important than the plot. For instance Lost Odyssey, after the first act devolves into generic jrpg schlock, but the short stories and the well written intro made it stand out a lot.

Sylux
10-30-2011, 01:46 AM
Mass Effect, Dragon Age, Fallout, Force Unleashed, KOTOR, and Deus Ex are all examples of what to do (some only fwiu). Metal Gear Solid, Final Fantasy, .hack original games, PSU, and Army Men are all examples of what not to do (again fwiu). Open-ended games should be the future. I think Assassin's Creed 3 is even going to feature decisions, as Revelations is to be the last one with Ezio, Alta&#239;r and Desmond from what Wikipedia says.

GunZet
10-30-2011, 02:40 AM
I've yet to experience any AC game :/
Also, just bought Resident Evil 5 PC...heard good things about it, figured I'd give it a go lol.


Found this little slice of gold on Kotaku.
http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/comment/9/2011/10/95eab63960908c992ed99773b86628a2/340x.jpg

Matt
10-30-2011, 08:30 AM
I would submit that the real answer to your question (why can't we have both) is because its difficult. I thought about this at work today and the fact is its hard enough to write an original story, much less also leave it open enough for the players to effect it. I'm still under the opinion that if you want a story based game, that writing is much more important than the plot. For instance Lost Odyssey, after the first act devolves into generic jrpg schlock, but the short stories and the well written intro made it stand out a lot.

I suppose Bioware's games are the first steps here. That said, I've never been compelled enough to play one all the way through since Neverwinter Nights.

It was said on Extra Credits that, for most games, writers are brought in fairly late into the game's development. So no matter how good a game's writer is, he's gotta write around what the developers already have developed. So in addition to the difficulty of open-ended choice being tied into a great story, there's that.

About games with open ends and strong stories, there's always Infamous and Infamous 2. There are only two paths (so that eliminates the open-endedness), and the evil path is just illogical in the first one. It gets slightly more justifiable in the second, but it's still the good path that tells the strongest story. Yeah, it's still pretty linear, but it's a step in the right direction.

I'm thinking it'd be much easier to have open-ended choice and great story in a small-scale 2D game.

ClockHand
10-30-2011, 01:12 PM
Writers are the last people videogame companies call, even more, no game is going to be build under a story (it will always be under a game mechanic), this is why (in my opinion) video games are still pretty far away in story telling than movies or books (you can say you have the same level of satisfaction, but the whole story was of minor importance for the developers and as a game is based on reactions-goals-rewards you are very limited in what you can bring to the story).

With video games being open-ended or just one lineal story, that is a situation where the writers are forced to work constantly, and I think one has advantages the other doesn't. A lineal story let you work the characters, their psychology, archetypes and enneatypes in the story, it gave circularity to the events and it can be nice to play, but this eliminate from picture the ability of the player to play as he want, because he is subject of a story. In the other case we have open ended games, these eliminate the psychology and function of the characters but let the player to chose how he want to play and what kind of end he want.

For my both can live together, and I hope so, because I don't want to be playing only games with open ended with no characters (as I chose how Shepard will react I change who is Shepard and even more, it can create incongruence on who he is, and changing events in the story also affect the importance of the characters; if I'm a asshole Shepard maybe the character that should betray me, shouldn't be the same as if I were a good Shepard), but I neither want to be playing lineal games with no space for my own goals.

Maybe there are some options: one would be creating the story in some way that the player feel the need to act as the hero should act, letting the player chose, but he will always be pulled in how the character would do it. A second way would be through second game play, the first one would be the story, but the second would be the classic "what if", bringing re-playability to the game and giving to people the chance to make their own ending.

I dunno, I think both can live together.

jubeh
10-30-2011, 05:17 PM
Lets move this here gentlemen. (http://www.mangatutorials.com/forum/showthread.php?1573-Storytelling-in-Games-Thread&p=49740#post49740)

GunZet
10-31-2011, 01:19 AM
So Borderlands managed to really piss me off a minute ago.
See, I'm level 16, and the first real badass boss they send you up against is Sledge, this guy with an instant regenerating shied, lots of health, and a shotgun that can kill you in two direct hits. He also has a hammer that can take you out in one direct hit. Oh, and he can rush you. Oh, he also has body guards....so yea he's just really overpowered.
But what really pissed me off is how I was killed the first time, and rage quited before I could actually die...So I figured I'd give it another go, and launched the game back up.
Not only did it send me to the beginning of the level, it also took the money I had to pay as if I was revived. WTF IS THAT BULLSHIT.
Anyways, I beat him my second go around lol.

Tetsuphil
11-05-2011, 05:20 PM
I'm playing Zelda Link's awakening :0 Its kind of hard compared to all the new zeldas out there :I

GAbRieLWrIgHt
11-05-2011, 05:37 PM
I'm currently playing...White Knight Chronicles, Legend of Zelda Minish cap, Legend of Zelda four swords, Final fantasy four heroes of light, final fantasy 12: revanant wings, Final fantasy 3 Ds version.

the 3D zelda games seem easier, excluding Majora's mask. I've beaten Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, and Minish cap is by far harder.

Fenn
11-05-2011, 05:37 PM
So Borderlands managed to really piss me off a minute ago.
See, I'm level 16, and the first real badass boss they send you up against is Sledge, this guy with an instant regenerating shied, lots of health, and a shotgun that can kill you in two direct hits. He also has a hammer that can take you out in one direct hit. Oh, and he can rush you. Oh, he also has body guards....so yea he's just really overpowered.
But what really pissed me off is how I was killed the first time, and rage quited before I could actually die...So I figured I'd give it another go, and launched the game back up.
Not only did it send me to the beginning of the level, it also took the money I had to pay as if I was revived. WTF IS THAT BULLSHIT.
Anyways, I beat him my second go around lol.

It's called don't ragequit and take it like a gamer. :cat_thumbsup:

GunZet
11-05-2011, 05:49 PM
Nah man, that was a legit ragequit. Boss was way too overpowered.
But see, I bought Battlfield Bad Company 2 a few days ago, and have been hooked on that ever since. Multiplayer is so tasty.

Tetsuphil
11-05-2011, 06:02 PM
I'm currently playing...White Knight Chronicles, Legend of Zelda Minish cap, Legend of Zelda four swords, Final fantasy four heroes of light, final fantasy 12: revanant wings, Final fantasy 3 Ds version.

the 3D zelda games seem easier, excluding Majora's mask. I've beaten Ocarina of Time and Twilight Princess, and Minish cap is by far harder.

Minish cap, for some reason, is my all time favorite Zelda game, and ive played lots of zeldas :O

GAbRieLWrIgHt
11-05-2011, 06:21 PM
the art style on Minish cap is amazing, visually, it's one of my favorites as well

ClockHand
11-05-2011, 09:58 PM
So I played Skyrim today (for 2 hours, which as someone who have played any Elder Scroll will know that its nothing) and I'm going to place some of my feelings so far, inside a spoiler (because it can have some few spoiler).

Well the game looks good and dirtier like a barbarian should, at the beginning you start as in any Elder Scroll (like a prisoner), but the transition of prisoner and a active character goes way better than in Oblivion (who haven't played it, don't, is awful), and its also way more bloody (I didn't expect it from Bethesda). But also, this beginning have some flaws, because it become intense and active (like you should act fast), but the constant loadings of the game were, some times, annoying. Of course in the intro you will have to fight (obviously, is a intro and they will make you know how the control works), in here I found some good stuffs: like a aim cross in third person camera, which is very thanked, also using spells is way better and easier than in Oblivion (and its feels you are doing damage with them). Outside of all that, I like that characters talk with you a lot (outside of having a conversation), that things happens (you will go outside and find people discussion, talking, stealing, what ever), these kind of things give a sense of life in the world (but also after losing some times, I have started to see everything as a pre-programed behavior, you will find a deer in X place, a rabbit in Y place, and so on). And some of the adds I'm more pleased is the ability to sprint.

There are things I didn't like:
You can dual weapon but you can't block, because the block button for a shield (LT) is the attack action and the button next to it (LB) is for sprinting (so yeah... I think they should have changed the sprint button from place and let that to block, specially because the RB button does nothing, you can make the RB to sprint and the RL to block, just saying).
Magic can get pretty annoying as far I saw (I got 2 hours to play, and I didn't experience everything, so in here I might be wrong); in Oblivion you had a spell wheel, that work as a hotkey spells, the problem was that the wheel was annoying and wasn't really well done, in here you have no wheel of spells, you can only put your spells in a favorite list, and change them pressing "up arrow". When you do that the game enter in a pause mode where you can change of spells (again, this kill the action and I don't see the point for it, because you can press B enter to your inventory and change spells from there).
Combat is a mess (or I suck fighting in this game and I should be a wizard), this is because everyone moves to different places, everything is in movement, and you can fail hitting so easily that it really feel like a mess (specially when you are with a friend fighting 2 other guys), and I'm not saying this just on third person camera, in first person I also felt that some times I lost of sight my enemies just when I was doing a slash.
The character still walks like in Oblivion, this mean, I feel like I'm floating in the air while walking (it doesn't feel like I'm attached to the ground. It feels like in Fallout 3).
When the character sprint, doesn't look like he/she is running with all he/she have (it look like relaxed sprint), which is kinda out of context when a monster in chasing you and you look like running through a park, doing your morning exercise).

Thing I didn't care but I notice:
There is a delay between: you moving the analog stick to move and your character moving.
You can't make hot girls or that kind of stuffs (the character creation is way easier than in oblivion, but also way more narrow in options)

Sylux
11-05-2011, 10:02 PM
Wait is it already the release date? I thought it was 11-11, must be in America

ClockHand
11-05-2011, 10:05 PM
The release date is the 11-11

I just have my ways :monkey_brows:

Sylux
11-05-2011, 10:25 PM
You dog!

Inksprout
11-06-2011, 08:36 AM
I...I...I don't think I'll have enough money to get it straight away! T_T

Hell_Baron
11-06-2011, 09:11 AM
The release date is the 11-11

I just have my ways :monkey_brows:


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=os5TXyJlEMc

Hamachi
11-06-2011, 09:23 AM
I prefer to spend my money on artbooks instead of games... :P

Since DC Universe Online is free now, I'm trying that out.

ClockHand
11-06-2011, 11:56 AM
A friend is a pirate, I just went to his home to have a first impression of the game and see if it worth it or not. And I think I'm not going to buy it or have it (it's not BAD like Oblivion, but the first impression I had, was that the game is still have a lot of stuffs I dislike, and I'm not the kind of person who like open worlds to be played alone).

Inksprout
11-06-2011, 12:03 PM
I prefer any game that has extensive single player, since I have terrible internet that stops me from accessing more or less any online content, including multiplayer :(

ClockHand
11-06-2011, 01:05 PM
I like extensive single play, who doesn't? My problem with games like the elder scrolls and fallout, is that it's a open world. And I fucking hate doing retarded side quests (excuse me good man, could you help me to safe my song who was kidnapped by a troll. Yes i know you have a quest to save the kingdom and our lifes, but my son need your help). Also because I hate how it feels the movement (it feels like you are floating, like in fallout 3, but I want to feel like my character is attached to the ground, like in Red Dead Redemption or Dark Souls).

So for me, a single player game play is awesome, I love it. But this kind of games are not for me, because I really have no interest in helping npc's who are not going to help me back (in a way that is not rewards), that the movement feels awkward and that combat is some times annoying (or I suck at it... I don't know, I didn't play it for to long to find it).

Of course, if you liked Oblivion this game is going to be your new Porn. And if you like Fallout 3, too. The game is not BAD (or I didn't saw it to bad), is that the game has elements, that I care, not well polished.

Inksprout
11-06-2011, 01:32 PM
Well I loved Morrowind but I have never managed to get into Oblivion. I loved Fallout New Vegas but due to technical difficulty I never managed to play FO3. Since I am meant to be learning about creating art assets for games I kind of feel like I'm obliged to get a game as visually stunning as Skyrim promises to be though. I like doing some side quests but I agree that some are annoying. Fall Out new vegas side quests were good because the stories were usually really interesting to me and I loved exploring all the wacky/scary/ruined locations. Perhaps its because I have a fairly large focus on exploring the open world settings from an artistic perspective that I like open world games so much. :3

ClockHand
11-06-2011, 01:41 PM
If its from artistic perspective I love way more Dark Souls (Anor Londo kick major architectonic asses).

GunZet
11-06-2011, 02:05 PM
I don't know why, but I kinda like those trivial quests in open world games. It sort of enhances the open-worldness, since those kinds of stupid things exist in real life, and you don't necessarily have to do them. One every now and then shouldn't hurt, otherwise it'd be a very one objective focused game, and taking from the open-ness.

Also I just beat Bulletstorm a few days ago. Completely worth that 20 bucks. I don't understand all the haters not wanting to rocket someone in the ass and send em flying into barrels surrounded by numerous other bad guys, making that explode, and giving you points for doing so. That's just genius.

HowToDrawItAll
11-10-2011, 11:04 AM
So im still playing thps 2 for gameboy advance lmao...im getting like 400,000 to 500,000 points every time..just playing around..its fun though because I used to skate...just random :P

ClockHand
11-10-2011, 11:27 AM
I don't know why, but I kinda like those trivial quests in open world games. It sort of enhances the open-worldness, since those kinds of stupid things exist in real life, and you don't necessarily have to do them. One every now and then shouldn't hurt, otherwise it'd be a very one objective focused game, and taking from the open-ness.

I agree in some aspect, but I disagree when the main story drives you away of those things. Triviality is great in triviality, but in a story that is like skyrim or oblivion were you are always "the chosen one" and have to deal a great evil. A guy asking you for help is a pointless quest.

wolfman
11-11-2011, 06:41 AM
i waited up till midnight to play skyrim last night and ended up playing it for about 4-5 hours

SO FECKING AWESOME

the only problem i have had so far is that i got attacked by a flame atronach at level 4 and i spent so much time admiring how well done it was and how amazing the way it moved was it kept burning me to a crisp

nextweek
11-11-2011, 01:06 PM
i waited up till midnight to play skyrim last night and ended up playing it for about 4-5 hours

SO FECKING AWESOME

the only problem i have had so far is that i got attacked by a flame atronach at level 4 and i spent so much time admiring how well done it was and how amazing the way it moved was it kept burning me to a crisp


For me it was the conversations with people... and not hearing the same voices over and over again

trilokcool3
11-11-2011, 01:21 PM
haaa... I jumped down to playing LITTLE FIGHTER 2 with my friends , connecting 2 keyboards to my laptop . 5 players(hostel frnds) playing whole night 11pm to 4am .
Next planning gota play NARUTO THE SETTING DAWN (NTSD).

jubeh
11-11-2011, 01:40 PM
About to trade in buttman: arkham shitty for the elder balls: skyrimjob pretty soon.

GunZet
11-11-2011, 01:41 PM
Get a real man's game.

jubeh
11-11-2011, 01:43 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Guy_Game

GunZet
11-11-2011, 01:58 PM
Now you're talkin'.

Gedeon
11-11-2011, 02:50 PM
....am i the only one who plays an occasional tetris game?

Hamachi
11-11-2011, 06:35 PM
Skyrim :3

ClockHand
11-11-2011, 06:42 PM
So I kept playing Skyrim (like a hour) and I like the level up system with perks (not big fan, but I like that kinda does a impact in how you play it... at beginning is little and very statistical). But man, the textures sucks (at least on xbox), and if you disagree with me, go and look to the snow in the mountain, look it very closely.

jubeh
11-11-2011, 06:48 PM
Idc about the textures but why does stamina recover so slow. Every fight just turns into me dancing around like a douche.

ClockHand
11-11-2011, 06:50 PM
I think it was made to make mele fighters less overpowered, but it's kinda annoying cuz it's really hard to fight, you waste a lot of stamina and the shield doesn't give you a 100&#37; of defense.

wolfman
11-12-2011, 01:23 AM
pffft shields, i use dual daggers and stamina isnt that much of a problem because if it runs out you can still attack quick enough to stop them being able to do much to you

jubeh
11-12-2011, 02:17 AM
I rerolled as a wizard. My dudes rockin. I love how companions can die and I love that I can bring them back as a zombie.

Hamachi
11-12-2011, 02:42 AM
I'm just glad my characters don't have to be facially reconstructed for hours just not to look fugly as heck.

CypressDahlia
11-12-2011, 05:19 AM
^^^^^ Dark Souls

GunZet
11-12-2011, 09:42 AM
Beat the single player missions on Bad Company 2 yesterday. Great, just great.

ClockHand
11-12-2011, 10:30 AM
^^^^^ Dark Souls

To be fair, you play the whole game as a zombie, so the character creation doesn't matter to much (you are a zombie or you use a helmet).

CypressDahlia
11-12-2011, 05:00 PM
Yeah but I just wonder why they bothered to put faces in when they're all so damn goofy.

ClockHand
11-12-2011, 05:04 PM
We will never know.

Story related!!!

jubeh
11-12-2011, 06:05 PM
Yeah but I just wonder why they bothered to put faces in when they're all so damn goofy.

Your dude either looks like tetsuo or somebody with downs syndrome.

BozeSG
11-13-2011, 04:16 PM
Limbo @_@...

GunZet
11-13-2011, 04:21 PM
Lol, I haven't beat Limbo yet. Amazing little game I must say, even for its length.

CypressDahlia
11-25-2011, 01:34 AM
Limbo is really short so you should get around to it. If you're at a stuck point chances are you're near the end of the game.


Currently, playing Terranigma. Love the game to death but constantly reminded of how shitty the damage calculations are in that they make it impossible to underlevel. Currently on the final boss, doing 1 HP of damage per hit =_=

GunZet
11-25-2011, 02:02 AM
I've recently started back up on Arkham Asylum, started playing Portal, and got a little bit of L4D2 action in today, along with some UT3 playing as Gears of War characters.

Fenn
11-25-2011, 03:51 PM
Popped in my NFL Street 2 disk. Game is so fun.

Kenzieroo
11-25-2011, 05:25 PM
I mostly play computer...

CypressDahlia
11-25-2011, 09:10 PM
Uggghhhhh. I lost my save game data in Terranigma. Used a save state to view an old cutscene from mid-game and it overrode my current data with the old save data. I don't even know WHY that would be the case, but I'm mad as hell. Fk u, ZSNES.

GunZet
11-25-2011, 09:24 PM
Got ACII, so far, so great.

toast
11-25-2011, 09:50 PM
I can't play silent hill..I just can't do it Dx

CypressDahlia
11-26-2011, 12:20 PM
Do it. Silent Hill is mostly atmosphere. The enemies themselves aren't so much fearsome in gamersense as they are hard to look at.

GunZet
11-26-2011, 12:22 PM
If you can't play Silent Hill, you sure as hell can't play Amnesia.

Outcast
11-26-2011, 01:49 PM
DC universe online, it's fun and free.

FrancysPai
11-26-2011, 06:26 PM
King of Fighters XIII.

Duo Lon / K' / Saiki.

Come AT me, bro!

weez18
11-26-2011, 06:47 PM
DC universe online, it's fun and free.i second this motion ^^....what do u ply on pc,ps3 or 360?

GunZet
11-26-2011, 06:58 PM
May buy Splinter Cell: Conviction for a nice 5 bucks. Heard some good stuff about it, and at 75&#37; off, I just can't pass it up :/
Been playing lots of Assassins Creed 2 though, and Lost Planet 2 (which I hated at first, but it's actually pretty great)

weez18
11-26-2011, 07:05 PM
the only bad thing i'd have to say about the AC series is tht after you've beaten everything it looses its replay value...well for me at least

GunZet
11-26-2011, 07:09 PM
If you want a game with replay value up the ass, get Dead Space. I've went through it about a good 2 and a half times.

jubeh
11-26-2011, 09:11 PM
The old repubic

weez18
11-26-2011, 09:40 PM
If you want a game with replay value up the ass, get Dead Space. I've went through it about a good 2 and a half times.

i already own dead space 1 n 2 n yess it does have good replay value lol i still ply it..almost platniumed it but the last one is beat the game on the hardest difficulty n ive yet to do it lol ^^

GunZet
11-26-2011, 09:53 PM
yea man, I've got about 85&#37; of the achievements in the first one, but I still gotta go through on super hard mode, xD.

Sylux
11-26-2011, 10:02 PM
hey weez you should play amnesia
http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9326725.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/kikukitty/tumblr_lk29f1GNnq1qitueho1_400.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/747/zmbWa.jpg?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/176/205/tumblr_lrsi9uevl41qchy28o1_400.jpg?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/183/170/ixoWt.png?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/195/159/tumblr_lu34j2B5GH1qi9oq0o1_1280.png?1320419642
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/184/551/2011-05-09-descension.png?1318992465

GunZet
11-26-2011, 10:29 PM
I remember my first time testing my balls, and playing Amnesia in complete darkness.
I don't want to talk about it.

Sylux
11-26-2011, 10:40 PM
I played it all in one go first try in the dark with no one else around I still have nightmares tbh like seriously I wake up in cold sweats and I'm like omg I dont wanna go to the bathroom im too scared

CypressDahlia
11-27-2011, 12:52 AM
TBH, I thought the monster in Amnesia looked really retarded. The idea of the monster was scarier than the monster itself. Like just knowing it's there. That's why Amnesia's atmosphere is so damn masterful.

Also, playing Tales of Phantasia again and wondering how I even had the patience to play this as a youth. Maybe because I was an overleveled whore in middle school for most RPGs. At the point I am in the game I remember being level 40-some. I am currently level 15... The boss battles are all immensely difficult if you're even remotely underleveled as almost every boss in the game has at least one super atomic magic spell that damages your entire party for like half health. SUMMON LICH~ Like every--single--friggin boss has one and they're never short of MP.

Sylux
11-27-2011, 01:02 AM
did u think the kaernk looked retarded

GunZet
11-27-2011, 01:08 AM
How insensitive.
http://28.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lg438kVuT01qdmf5io1_500.png

Sylux
11-27-2011, 01:17 AM
I think the grunt has beautiful eyes
http://24.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lgj74cXhLe1qdmf5io1_500.png

CypressDahlia
11-27-2011, 01:36 AM
He looks like he just saw a really nice ass.

weez18
11-27-2011, 01:56 AM
hey weez you should play amnesia
http://images.memegenerator.net/instances/400x/9326725.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m308/kikukitty/tumblr_lk29f1GNnq1qitueho1_400.jpg
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/173/747/zmbWa.jpg?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/176/205/tumblr_lrsi9uevl41qchy28o1_400.jpg?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/183/170/ixoWt.png?1318992465
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/195/159/tumblr_lu34j2B5GH1qi9oq0o1_1280.png?1320419642
http://s3.amazonaws.com/kym-assets/photos/images/newsfeed/000/184/551/2011-05-09-descension.png?1318992465

where do i find this game O_O i love horror games its just...thyre so predictable nowadays lol

GunZet
11-27-2011, 02:02 AM
Get it on Steam for like 10 bucks. Although it was close to 2 or $5 a day or two ago.

CypressDahlia
11-27-2011, 02:23 AM
Yo, you guys remember that one moment in Amnesia? I'm talking about that one really bad moment. The other moments were like "mehhh that's creepy" but this was like the one jump out of your seat moment. you guys know what I'm talking about, right?

Yeah, that was awesome.

weez18
11-27-2011, 02:25 AM
if i buy it on steam i can only ply it on my laptop?

M3S1H
11-27-2011, 02:53 AM
if i buy it on steam i can only ply it on my laptop?
I think the answer's pretty obvious. Unless Steam has some backwards-ass plan to sell it for two systems.

weez18
11-27-2011, 03:05 AM
I think the answer's pretty obvious. Unless Steam has some backwards-ass plan to sell it for two systems.
its pretty dammn obvious im new to steam. and tht answer was obviously not directed to you troll ^^
...seriousy the nerve of some people u can obviously tell ive never used steam before if im asking such a ridiculous question..

GunZet
11-27-2011, 04:05 AM
Yes, Steam is for PC/Mac games only. You can't buy console games on it. As for the laptop thing, dunno what you meant by that, but it's best to avoid playing most games on a laptop if you don't have a pretty decent one. Performance issues. Same thing if you have a sucky desktop.

Amnesia on the other hand, isn't a Steam exclusive.
It lists the various sites you can get it from, here (http://www.amnesiagame.com/#buy).

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 04:23 AM
Steam is essentially where you buy and then download games. Amnesia isn't too demanding a game so your laptop could probably run it if its a decent laptop (mine runs most games). But also remember that you'll have to download it if you buy on steam.

GunZet
11-27-2011, 04:28 AM
Not to mention the inevitable addiction that comes naturally with your first purchase.

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 04:39 AM
I've had a lot of trouble with steam, not to mention the fact that till a couple of weeks ago I only had 5gb of download a month D:

GunZet
11-27-2011, 04:46 AM
Jeez, get an unlimited plan :/ I've downloaded like 166GB worth of games on Steam over the past 3 months, lol.

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 05:14 AM
I'm on 50gb now, its been a drama for me to get it though. Unlimited plans are also really expensive and I don't have a lot of money. Australia's internet is baaaaaaaaaad

M3S1H
11-27-2011, 06:10 AM
its pretty dammn obvious im new to steam. and tht answer was obviously not directed to you troll ^^
...seriousy the nerve of some people u can obviously tell ive never used steam before if im asking such a ridiculous question..
Dude sorry if I gave off the wrong idea. Didn't mean to be mean there, I just wanted to make my response short and simple because I usually have a habit of dragging on my responses. Again, I'm sorry bro.

Sylux
11-27-2011, 11:37 AM
Weez once you beat Amnesia make sure to load up with a ton of mods I recommend White Night and Dark Room oh and Justine which is Frictional-made so it's official and stuff

Matt
11-27-2011, 11:43 AM
You guys should play this game: Depict1 (http://www.newgrounds.com/portal/view/546057).

Fun little artsy game. Really well-made.

GAbRieLWrIgHt
11-27-2011, 12:31 PM
I'm now playing Legend of Zelda: Skyward Sword, but I've almost beaten it. I think I'm at the last boss, but you never know. Unless you can take the hints and figure out who your enemies master might be. You know, cuz Zant was actually following Ganondorf, and Ganon is actually
a giant pig. Yea...

weez18
11-27-2011, 01:15 PM
Yes, Steam is for PC/Mac games only. You can't buy console games on it. As for the laptop thing, dunno what you meant by that, but it's best to avoid playing most games on a laptop if you don't have a pretty decent one. Performance issues. Same thing if you have a sucky desktop.

Amnesia on the other hand, isn't a Steam exclusive.
It lists the various sites you can get it from, here (http://www.amnesiagame.com/#buy).
well i downloaded steam n all made an account and went to buy amnesia downloaded it n then a meassage popped up when i tried to launch the game it said the game had crashed >.< wtf lol did i jus waist 10$? n i have a sony vaio laptop...is tht bad cause i dont have a home computer

GunZet
11-27-2011, 01:38 PM
Hmmm, you might need to post a topic in the Steam forums in the hardware section. You should always make sure your system is powerful enough to play games before you buy them, computers ain't consoles xD.

Check this site.
Canyourunit (http://www.systemrequirementslab.com/cyri/intro.aspx)

And look for Amnesia. Also could you post your specs?

weez18
11-27-2011, 01:40 PM
dude i suck with computers i wouldnt even know where to find the specs for this thing lol

GunZet
11-27-2011, 01:52 PM
Click the windows icon in the bottom left, type 'run' in the search bar. Then open run. Type in 'dxdiag' and press ok or whatever, and show me what you got.

CypressDahlia
11-27-2011, 01:54 PM
My girlfriend has a vaoi and that thing only has 2gigs of ram and a 1-point-something ghz processor. I don't think Amnesia will run very smoothly on it at all.

weez18
11-27-2011, 01:58 PM
processor: intel(r) pentium(r) dual cpu T3400 @ 2.16ghz (2cpus), ~2.2ghz
memory:1938MB RAM

is this what u were looking for?

GunZet
11-27-2011, 02:01 PM
Yes, but could you post the graphics card too?
Also, Cype, my other laptop has like 1.6ghz cpu speed, an ATI Radeon HD3200 gpu, and it runs Amnesia just fine on moderately high settings. Other games it can max out, just at a lower res. Just sayin'.Amnesia isn't that hefty of a game though.

weez18
11-27-2011, 02:07 PM
name: mobile intel 4 series express chipset family
aprox total memory:1314 mb
dac type:internal
current display mode: 1280 x 800 (32bit)(60hz)

idk if this is what u were looking for but its all i could find in display section lol

GunZet
11-27-2011, 02:10 PM
I was hoping mobile Intel wasn't going to be the case, but alas, it is. See, the thing with that, is that Mobile integrated Intel chips really suck, they're not made for gaming -at all-. So you might be shit outta luck on this, as they don't come with the most up to date pixel shaders and stuff.
ALTHOUGH, there my be hope yet. Do a google search, and see if there are any new driver updates for that card, chances are, there's a new version out, and maybe that'll make the game work. But uh...you won't get much of a framerate.

weez18
11-27-2011, 02:14 PM
dam this blows lol...i was hoping id b able to ply >_<..thx gunz i'll look into the update thing

GunZet
11-27-2011, 02:17 PM
Just a heads up, you can install Steam on any computer, and install Amnesia pretty much anywhere else, so long as you're logged in. But if you need a refund, you should have gotten a receipt in your email, I don't know how you'd do it, but the info should be in that email.

weez18
11-27-2011, 02:24 PM
its cool its not like i bought a 60$ game ill just go download it on my girlfriends computer xD n ply it there...though i dont think she'll like tht im playing a videogame instead of paying attention to her..wish me luck xD

GunZet
11-27-2011, 02:28 PM
That's why you get with a girl that's a gamer, heh heh.

Sylux
11-27-2011, 03:00 PM
or you know just get a good computer :\

Regantor
11-27-2011, 03:54 PM
http://profile.ak.fbcdn.net/hprofile-ak-snc4/203570_122574991153950_561683_n.jpg

Phantom Crash.

Turns out it's not really about ghosts running into each other. :o

weez18
11-27-2011, 05:06 PM
or you know just get a good computer :\
aha or u know let me barrow some money to get one ^^

That's why you get with a girl that's a gamer, heh heh.
n yea she is she just hates when i get to into a game n ignore her xD

Sylux
11-27-2011, 05:13 PM
o sorry im saving up for a dragon

weez18
11-27-2011, 05:17 PM
its not even funny theyre exspensive lol...o n i recently started playing ff13 0.o i just beat the neochu by spamming the death ability with vanille took me about an hour to do it..but beating him gave me a growth egg tht doubles any CP i get so yea fun ^^

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 06:05 PM
That's why you get with a girl that's a gamer, heh heh.

Still makes me angry when my bf plays games and ignores me, and he hates playing most games WITH me. The only games he'll let us play together are old emulated games like supe mario for snes

GunZet
11-27-2011, 06:15 PM
xD, man what. Well ain't that lame.

In other news, I bougt Section 8: Prejudice for like 3 bucks today, so far, so awesome. Got the original on 360, but it's kinda bland.

jubeh
11-27-2011, 07:06 PM
Still makes me angry when my bf plays games and ignores me, and he hates playing most games WITH me. The only games he'll let us play together are old emulated games like supe mario for snes

I always hated playing games with my girlfriends too. I dont think its that weird.

Hayashida
11-27-2011, 07:11 PM
My girlfriend just plays PC games whereas I just play console games so we don't really have that problem

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 07:12 PM
Yeah but why jubeh? He plays games with all his other friends, and its not like I'm just some ditsy girl who is a total noob at every game. His favourite thing to do with me is apparently play these old games so I don't see why I can't join in other games with him :(

Hayashida
11-27-2011, 07:14 PM
I think maybe because when guys play most games together they like to act like assholes and talk shit about their friends and stuff while kicking their ass and you can't exactly do that with your girlfriend

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 07:16 PM
Oh but he could. I like talking shit! I think he just wants to have games be a massive circle jerk with all his friends and exclude me which is kind of horrible, because they're my friends too and he's just trying to keep me out

FrancysPai
11-27-2011, 07:27 PM
Wipeout HD.

Just did Elite mode to Subsonic. 10 perfect laps, 31 perfect zones. We.In.There.

weez18
11-27-2011, 07:32 PM
Oh but he could. I like talking shit! I think he just wants to have games be a massive circle jerk with all his friends and exclude me which is kind of horrible, because they're my friends too and he's just trying to keep me out

well yea tht kinda does suck i usually ply split screen with my gf on mw3 n she gets really into the shit talking lol even with me ^^

GunZet
11-27-2011, 07:33 PM
Oh but he could. I like talking shit! I think he just wants to have games be a massive circle jerk with all his friends and exclude me which is kind of horrible, because they're my friends too and he's just trying to keep me out

Sounds like you need to have a little word with him then.

jubeh
11-27-2011, 07:46 PM
Old repubics pvp is rad. Its basically warhammer but with lazers.

Fenn
11-27-2011, 07:52 PM
Yeah but why jubeh? He plays games with all his other friends, and its not like I'm just some ditsy girl who is a total noob at every game. His favourite thing to do with me is apparently play these old games so I don't see why I can't join in other games with him :(

Idk the specifics of the situation but it might be that playing games with his buddies is like his "guy time." Many girls need "girl time," and many guys need "guy time." Maybe that's his outlet.

But that doesn't explain why he'll play some games with you and not others. That's just weird. Maybe he doesn't want you to kick his butt?

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 07:58 PM
Well, the funny thing is I own him in super mario because I actually had a snes growing up and played the game to death. Maybe he feels bad if he wins at other games. Still there are plenty of coop games we could play. He got a new computer that runs a wii emulator well so maybe we'll be able to play some of those games

Fenn
11-27-2011, 08:00 PM
Co-op games are awesome. I'm trying to think of some good ones for Wii...

jubeh
11-27-2011, 08:04 PM
Yeah but why jubeh? He plays games with all his other friends, and its not like I'm just some ditsy girl who is a total noob at every game. His favourite thing to do with me is apparently play these old games so I don't see why I can't join in other games with him :(

idk

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 08:06 PM
What a weirdos, the best thing to do is to share you like with the person you like.

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 08:09 PM
The mario games on wii are supposed to be good so we're getting them first

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 08:13 PM
get skyward sword (zelda). Don't bother in any other game for wii (or for any console).

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 08:21 PM
hahaha ClockHand, yeah I've heard a lot of good things about it! I like to play pc games, but unfortuneatly my laptop is 2 years old now and has trouble playing new games that are coming out. Since I can't afford a new computer right now I've had to invest in console (other than my ps2) again since I'm poor I had to get a 2nd hand xbox360. I am pretty unhappy about this as my preferences go pc, PS3, xbox360, wii but at least I can play the newer games now

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 08:25 PM
To play pc games you always need to invest money. And it's the reason why at the end everyone have consoles (it might not be as powerful as a pc but is more accessible and have a longest life).

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 08:30 PM
Yeah, and you never have compatibility issues and all of those computer type problems. Still it makes me a little sad with games like skyrim where all my friends on PC are talking about the mods they've gotten. I will eventually have to upgrade my computer too because I need it to run game making engines and 3D modelling programs. So far so good with that stuff though which is why I didn't just upgrade the laptop. The part that is probably most bothersome is the xbox is a hunk of junk that makes so much noise, it sounds like a vacuum cleaner. I'm not sure if its because its going to break (and I should therefore send it to be repaired now) or if its just crappy.

GunZet
11-27-2011, 08:31 PM
Consoles go out of date in no time, and are a giant set-back when it comes to all this new tech available, and not being put to use. I don't see an Xbox 360 being capable of handling any kind of high quality DX11 tessellation any time soon.
But they are indeed highly accessible to your normal crowd.

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 08:33 PM
Skyrim is a game that will only shine through pc mods (because everything else is mediocre), so yeah in this case its sad, but hey, that's why we have minecraft, and I will tell you a secret, minecraft combat is 10 times better than the one in skyrim (no joke). I have never understood that thing about xbox making noise, mine doesn't make any noise =/.


Consoles go out of date in no time, and are a giant set-back when it comes to all this new tech available, and not being put to use. I don't see an Xbox 360 being capable of handling any kind of high quality DX11 tessellation any time soon.
But they are indeed highly accessible to your normal crowd.

Consoles are not a set-back. For consoles to be a set-back then there shouldn't by any only pc game. Also the life of a console is actually pretty good for what you spend on it (and you compared with a pc). And finally no console is made for reach high quality, even more, visual quality is the last thing anyone would want, consoles are now for 2 things: controls and social networks. The deal is that as computers can overshadow consoles the industry has to think a way to extend the life of the consoles and their use, that's why microsoft has only worked in xbox live and haven't made any deal for exclusivity. In few years (1 or 2) we are going to see that consoles are not going to exist to only play games, but also to be entertainment stuffs.

Play skyrim and you are going to see why consoles are not the ones that have the fault on the set-back of the product quality.

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 08:43 PM
It's second hand, so I think its just got something wrong with it. Its also an older model I think. *doesn't know anything about xbox* Consoles may 'go out of date' quickly in that they do not have the latest technology and can't be upgraded like a pc, but they don't go out of date as quickly in that all of the games released on them play on them. Pc games are kind of a nightmare because every few months the specs your pc needs to meet increase incrementally. It makes it super expensive to upgrade if you have a desktop or in my case buy a whole new laptop or dekstop.
I have had my PS2 for years and they only stopped making games for it when PS3 came out. However my pc is only 2 years old and already struggles to play the newest AAA games. I would dearly love to play every game on my pc and use mods but I'm having to make do with just playing the games as they come now.

I've also found it a bit of a night mare trying to play older games on my laptop which is windows 7. It runs fallout new vegas, no problems at all but before I played that I tried to get Fallout 3, first a cracked version which didn't work and then a legit version which also didn't work. No matter what I or any of my friends did it simply failed to work and would crash every few minutes. If you have a console you can play any game released for it, if you have a pc you're stuck figuring out what ever period of game releases will run best in your system.

Also Clock, its kind of sad about skyrim, from what I have heard Bethesda is making it hard for modders to do anything with it and a lot of people are saying that the overall desgin of the game is deliberately more suited to console play. Like many companies they are becoming very wary of pc piracy and people mucking about with their software.

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 08:59 PM
PS2 was one of the greatest consoles ever, funny thing, it was one of the greatest thanks to piracy (a practice that now Sony is trying to destroy... oh irony).

Companies are starting to bitch because they are not selling enough? that's not new.

They can blame piracy on pc all they want but consoles games are also being pirated, and doing console only games is not going to change anything. For the companies to start selling well again they need to provide a better service and a direct service to the consumers, people chose piracy because is: fast, accessible and free, while buying a game is slow (have to go to the shop), not so accessible (I can't buy it at 10PM) and is not free, hell they sell games at 50 bucks or more when are new, do they think we shit money?. Steam is one of the brightest things created for pc players and one of the really service that work against piracy, it provide you a good service, quick and efficient, and mostly it's way cheaper, and guess what, they have good sells.

When companies stop being greedy bastards who use the same engine over and over again with no mayor changes and only making sequels of their games, then they might think in how to approach the problem of the piracy in a more clever way, but by now we will always going to have torrent.

Skyrim is not sad is just retarded, the company has been using the same engine with no changes from the time of Oblivion, more than sad it's just prove that consoles are not the ones that are hurting the industry, but the companies are the guilts. I'm not going to play skyrim until there are good mods for it and i get a better pc (and of course the price get lower).

Inksprout
11-27-2011, 09:07 PM
They are particularly concerned by PC priacy though because its much bigger than console piracy. They're taking steps to ensure that all kinds of piracy are limited but things are getting particularly nasty with pc gamers and pirates. It's pretty unfair but not exactly uncalled for. I used to think piracy is ok but lately I'm not so sure. As for games costing too much I think you're way out of line their. Wether the titles are innovative or not they still cost a lot to make. They take a long time and a lot of hard work to produce. I'm not sure what your experience is like in actually making games but its an incredibly paintstaking process. I make no arguement at all with AAA games having a hefty price tag when they are new releases. If I can't afford them I simply wait to play them when the price has come down.

I agree with you about steam though, companies need to find better solutions to piracy and the view that their products are over priced. While I disagree with the cost arguement I can't disagree that most gamers have this mentality (for some unknown reason) and companies are trying to deal with it. Many are talking about making games more of a subscription service than a one time payment. I would rather pay a lump sum up front but I don't know what would be best.

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 09:17 PM
The worst way to fight piracy is restraining your consumers, it's stupid because you are only going to make more people to pirate their games. Companies are thinking in awful ways to force people to buy their games (giving codes, DLC, codes to play online that can't be shared, etc), but the true is simple, the more chains you put to your consumers the less they will agree with your works, the fight against the piracy is not against the piracy per se, but against the image and the marketplace (did I said this right?) of your products. Steam is prove that a good service overshadows the piracy, of course people are going to keep doing piracy, nothing to do against that, that's why is not about image, is prove people that the game they are buying they are also helping for better games to come, in some way is to create a conscience.

For how hard the game was to made:
Yeah I know doing a game is hard, but if you are making a AAA game that hasn't change the over mechanic of gameplay and neither the old problems then you don't deserve my money for your game and neither I'm going to buy it (I might going to buy it... but I probably not and neither I'm going to play it further than what I have done in my friends houses). Skyrim is the same engine, the same clumsy combat, the same repetitive side quests (except for faction quests) and the same of the same. When I see the game I think "ok, this is oblivion but with better style", yeah style, not even graphic (not be far).

Regantor
11-27-2011, 09:18 PM
The PS2 was a piece of junk, lol, basically just an upgraded PS1. I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything Clocky, since it did have some fantastic games, but it was terribly overrated...

To this day I'm convinced that the whole "sideways stand" thing was because they never bothered to fix the disk drive problems with the original (Which you could stave off by putting the console sideways). The board literally was just a PS1 board with add-ons bolted on to it, explaining the backward compatibility. The Dreamcast even had better graphics, despite coming out earlier. Oh yeah, and it had more than two controller ports... Basically, for many people, the PS2 was just a cheap DVD player.

The PS3 is doing badly now because they tried to repeat the process, except with Blue Rays... Except it wasn't cheap... And nobody wants Blue Rays. >_>

jubeh
11-27-2011, 09:18 PM
The ps3's not doing badly?

Regantor
11-27-2011, 09:21 PM
It might just be in England, but didn't I hear that the 360 took it over in Japan aswell?

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 09:22 PM
The PS2 was a piece of junk, lol, basically just an upgraded PS1. I'm not trying to shoot you down or anything Clocky, since it did have some fantastic games, but it was terribly overrated...

To this day I'm convinced that the whole "sideways stand" thing was because they never bothered to fix the disk drive problems with the original (Which you could stave off by putting the console sideways). The board literally was just a PS1 board with add-ons bolted on to it, explaining the backward compatibility. The Dreamcast even had better graphics, despite coming out earlier. Oh yeah, and it had more than two controller ports... Basically, for many people, the PS2 was just a cheap DVD player.

The PS3 is doing badly now because they tried to repeat the process, except with Blue Rays... Except it wasn't cheap... And nobody wants Blue Rays. >_>

I love the dreamcast and is one of my favorite, but the ps2 was great because only 1 thing: games. And you know what, it was the best age of piracy and with plenty of games to play, it was a great console. Yeah it suck in technical aspects, but in the amount of happy moments it can bring it was a winner.


Also about 360 in japan, it's the complete opposite. They had to run away from japan.

Regantor
11-27-2011, 09:28 PM
Eh, well obviously I'm a bit herpy derpy with my info, then. I thought people were loosing alot of trust in it after that whole Playstation Network thing in particular.

Also, yeah, it's not like I have a vendetta against Sony or anything. I prefer the PSP to the DS by a long shot, and I still do have a PS2. You can't argue with Silent Hill, Armored Core, Metal Gear, Shadow of the Colossus... They just seem to have very cut-throat management at times which love to over-hype everything. Neither the Dreamcast, Gamecube or Xbox really deserved to be bested by it.

Fenn
11-27-2011, 11:32 PM
Anyone know of fun, free computer games that will run on Intel HD graphics...y'know, besides Pong? Preferably an MMO(RPG) but anything will do.

ClockHand
11-27-2011, 11:39 PM
play dokutsu (cave story) or something like that. Skip mmorpgs.