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Ozzaharwood
09-18-2011, 09:44 PM
After a long time of thinking if I should do it or not, I did it. I created an IRC for MT.

For those of you who don't know what an IRC is, it stands for an "Internet Relay Chat"; basically an advanced chat room system that's been around for a very long time. In order to get into IRCs you need an IRC client. The most common are mIRC (http://www.mirc.com/) for Windows and Chatzilla (https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/chatzilla/) for Firefox. If you are using Mac or Linux, you'll have to look for one that you like. If you've never used IRC before and want to join, I suggest reading up about the basics first. I didn't and when I first joined I had a little trouble. The purpose of this IRC is to provide a chatroom for MT members who don't want to draw. I don't like it that the GB is being used as a chatroom and people don't draw at all. (I'm guilty of this, lol) IRCs are used on almost all forum sites nowadays, and even a lot of funsub groups have 'em. Trust me, you'll find that it's worth your time.

There is a lot I still need to do, but so far I've got a safe bot to keep the channel open, provided sufficient security to keep out spammers/attackers, and kept op privileges only to ops. It should be all we need since it's our IRC will be fairly small and out-of-the-way.

After a few people join, I will make it so only registered users may join. You will have to register at your start-up page. This will make it so we can kick and temp-ban people who are abusing the chat. I will also assign ops, or chat moderators after we get a few people who regularly chat. If you don't understand a lot that I'm saying or you want to read up on instructions, check below.

This is a simple guide I wrote up for the basics of IRC:

Connecting to MangaTutorials

This guide was made with Chatzilla in mind.

MT uses the IRC server:

irc.rizon.net

The chatroom is:

#MangaTutorials (not case sensitive)

To join the IRC with Chatzilla, type "irc://irc.rizon.net/#mangatutorials" in the address bar after you've DLed it.


How to connect to #mangatutorials

1: Start your IRC client
2: Enter the Nickname you want into the bottom left button, beside the input bar.<
3: Now, to join the server. Type (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/server irc.rizon.net

If your nickname hasn't been used yet (by you or another person) it will tell you the nickname needs to be registered.

To do this type (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/msg nickserv register your_password your_email

Where "your_password" is the password you want, and "your_email" is your e-mail address.

An activation code will be sent to your email address (used for registration). Read the email, type the command into IRC and your nickname will be registered (one nickname/group of nicknames per email address).
Registration is not usually required to join a channel, but some channels explicitly require one. (We will be doing this in the future, so best to sign up now)
The battle is done at this point! To connect to a channel, so you can talk to people, type (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/join #mangatutorials

How to reconnect to #mangatutorials

1: Start your IRC client
2: Your Nickname should still be in your client, so leave that part alone.
3: To join the server again, type (or copy/paste)into the input bar:

/server irc.rizon.net

Instead of asking you to register this time though, it will ask for your password. To do that, just type (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/msg NickServ IDENTIFY password

Just replace "password" with the password you gave when registering.

Now, you can reconnect to the chat room by typing (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/join #mangatutorials


How to auto-connect, auto-join and auto-identify


To auto-connect a server, select the tab of the server you wish to auto-connect to in the future (you must have a window open assigned to that server in the first place!). Right click within the window, and select 'Open this network on startup'.

To auto-join a channel, select the tab of the channel you wish to auto-join in the future. Right click within the window and select 'Open this channel on startup'.

To auto-identify, go to the toolbar at the top, click Chatzilla -> Preferences -> Select the server in the panel on the left (in this case irc.rizon.net) -> click the 'Lists' tab -> Press 'Add...' in the Auto-perform section -> Fill in the following (remember to replace "password" with whatever your password is!):

/msg nickserv identify "password"

Connecting to different channels

To connect to another channel when first starting up, just replace #mangatutorials with the channel you want (like #anime-planet.com). If your already connected, type (or copy/paste) into the input bar:

/join #channelname

Where "#channelname" is the channel-which-you-want-to-connect-to's name.

Now that that is all over, you are ready to join the IRC. I'm fairly new to creating channels so if it ever crashes, don't worry. I will have it back up and running ASAP. There are also tonnes of guides on Google to check if you don't understand anything. This may seem overwhelming at first, but it's a nice thing to have, and there is no harm in it. I will be waiting to see who comes in first, and I'll be taking notes on who I should make a mod. If this fails and no one comes in, I'll either scrap it or just keep it running for if there is a time someone wants it back up.

Super tl;dr thread, but w/e. If I missed anything or if you have any questions don't be afraid to post.

ClockHand
09-18-2011, 10:02 PM
Another GB but where you can't draw. That is exactly what we need.

I pass, not just because is another GB with less features, but also because you are a mod there.

GunZet
09-18-2011, 10:04 PM
Sounds like a place to chill. But I hate IRC channels. I just find them a bit clunky.

Ozzaharwood
09-18-2011, 10:19 PM
Another GB but where you can't draw. That is exactly what we need.

I pass, not just because is another GB with less features, but also because you are a mod there.

The GB is meant for drawing. This is meant for chatting. Mods can only ban/kick, and I won't do that to any MT members unless they start posting dirty pictures or dl links with viruses. If you want I can make someone else the admin, idc. Everything is already set up. If you guys don't want to do it it's your choice but I've had a couple people ask me about it before, so I figured wth; I'll do it. A lot of people also have problems connecting to the GB, so this could be a good alternative.

ClockHand
09-18-2011, 10:23 PM
we have one on the site, the gb also works as a chat room, why having another?

Ozzaharwood
09-18-2011, 10:45 PM
The one on the site is only there because I told Ramiel we should make an IRC, so he made that as a substitute until we did get one. The GB is good for chatting, I agree, but with an IRC you can have a lot more people in it at one time, anyone can connect very easily, and it's a good substitute for anyone who just wants to chat and not draw. I don't know why you care anyways, you already said you aren't going there and you almost never go on the GB.

Bottom line is: People asked for it. I supplied it. I don't really care if you don't like it.

ClockHand
09-18-2011, 11:19 PM
I don't like the idea, because as I said, we already have the features for chats. If a user want to chat he should use the features we have, so the features become useful and not dust gatherers. When you bring a software/program/feature/interface/etc that does the same than the features the site gave, then you are killing those features. You should do the opposite and motivate people to use what we have and if what we already have is not working as we want, then we make it better, but bringing the same features again will kill the olds and those (old ones) will not become any better.

Also, by the amount of active members that MT have, the GB is almost perfect.

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 12:08 AM
Is your purpose here to disagree with every thread or post that you can? I never see anything positive come from you. You can be on the GB and the IRC at the same time. That way it won't kill anything. The purpose of the GB is to draw, so you draw and talk about the drawings there. The IRC's purpose is to chat. You chat about whatever you want to chat about there. Rio even said she would like an IRC. IRC is an alternative that is a lot better than an on-site chat. It has a lot more features, you can connect to other IRCs as you wish, and it has a kick/ban option that is useful for trolls. I was also asked to create an IRC by a few members. That alone was enough for me to make one. That alone is enough for your posts to become obsolete. I made what people wanted, so even if you don't want it they do. Now stop trolling.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 12:16 AM
GB function = Share and Draw
IRC function = Share

By extension the GB already does what the IRC does. When you implement the IRC, specially to new members, you are actually killing the older feature. Even if you can do both at the same time, the common behavior will be the transport of people from one feature to the other, ending with the dead of one of the features.

I disagree because it is a bad idea and most possible the end results are going to be: A) no one will enter to the IRC and it will die, B) no one will enter to the older and it will die, C) members are going to separate between both. And the most rare possibility is that both are gonna be used by the same users, which is pretty unreal.

Come on, its pretty obvious when a bad idea is a bad idea, you just need to think a little and you will see.

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 12:33 AM
You obviously haven't read the GB thread's posts. People are annoyed that users will go to the GB just to talk and not draw. The IRC is meant for those people. It's also meant for the users who don't go to the GB at all. The majority of people that asked me to make it don't go to the GB. It will most likely have no effect on the GB. I get what you are trying to say, and I see the point you are making now, but how about this : If option B happens, I will get rid of it. If C happens (Depending on the severity) I will get rid of it. You win either way. If you don't accept this and keep trolling, I will get mad.

Honestly though now that you've trolled this whole thread I don't think anyone will join. I don't even know why you care either, you go to neither.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 12:40 AM
So your goal is to separate members. Well then your goal of making the Oekaki Board 2,0 is gonna become true.

Having the site already separated between forum, site, oekaki and gb will make even more awesome making another way to separate its users.

If the people complain because people go to the GB just to talk, then they are being egoist, the gb is for every member to do what every they want (not destroy other peoples work and with some subject regulations). So they are the problem, not the people who want to talk to others.

If the GB doesn't have the capacity for X quantity of members or something like that, then talk with Rio to deal with the subject. So stop being a retarded mod, and evaluate the situation and if you don't want people to disagree with you, don't post on the GD section.

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 01:02 AM
Oekaki 2.0? Huh?

This won't separate the members, I guarantee you that. I also said that if it does, I would get rid of it. The GB also doesn't separate members either. The Oekaki is completely different from the forum, so you can't say that separates us. I don't understand why you can't just see how it works out. You just have to be right.

About the last paragraph: If the GB has too many members in it at once, it lags and crashes.

I couldn't imagine what kind of a mod you'd be like, so please, don't criticize me for something you'd be worse at.

The GD isn't meant for threads where you just disagree with people, but you wouldn't know that because that's all you do.

I'm keeping it up to see how it goes and I'm warning you for trolling and offensive language.

Hayashida
09-19-2011, 01:07 AM
The GD isn't meant for threads where you just disagree with people, but you wouldn't know that because that's all you do.

It pretty much is actually

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:11 AM
I wouldn't be a mod in the first place, so don't try to imagine something impossible. And I can criticize you, as far as I know opinions are not censored.

The GD is to discuss, discussions need a disagreement or it become a "wanking each others", you would know this if you knew what "discussion" means and if you were old enough in forums to know what is the point of a Forum.

I haven't "troll" you yet, I have been stating my opinion, so take back your warning.

You guaranty me that? Do you see powers to see the future or something? I have been around this forum to know how people behave and the GB it does separate people, I have seen it and I keep seen it. The same goes for the Oekaki, which is the biggest example of this separation and the creation of micro-universes. I think experience is more trust worthing that you.

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 01:13 AM
Look at all of the stickied threads. None of them are debating threads. There are also quite a few in the regular portion. I didn't make this thread to start a debate, and it's kind of obvious that I didn't.

You called me a retard, that's enough to warn you. You also troll almost every thread you are in, so don't give me that BS. Also, if you didn't notice, I said I'd get rid of it if that happens. Get rid of it. I'm keeping it up to see if it works out, because you even admitted there is a chance that it will.


And the most rare possibility is that both are gonna be used by the same users, which is pretty unreal.

As long as there is a chance, it's worth trying.

GunZet
09-19-2011, 01:15 AM
Ozz vs Clock thread.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:18 AM
Look at all of the stickied threads. None of them are. There are also quite a few in the regular portion. I didn't make this thread to start a debate, and it's kind of obvious that I didn't.

Again, why did you post on the GD?

We have a section named Contest and ACTIVITIES. It can be easily justified making this thread there, but you chose making in it here. Also you could tell Rio to put it in the Site (with this you already have the agreement of rio do this activity).


So retarded people is equal to big offense against you? are they equal to a whore or a bitch? I'm not sure, plz tell me, so I will be less offensive next time. I say retard as to point a action that wasn't though or a person who didn't though his action very well, not as a offense, because I don't see a retarded person being a offense of any kind. Difference between connotation and denotation.

I troll every thread? I troll some, and I don't even troll them hard, just for a laugh (and most trolled threads are in the CB), but also in many cases (like in this one) I state my opinion and if you disagree with it, please arguments no threats.

So take back your warning.

jubeh
09-19-2011, 01:19 AM
Speaking of retarded, this would not go in contests and activities.

CypressDahlia
09-19-2011, 01:22 AM
Clockhand, the fact that we have a GB doesn't separate people. The fact that half our members aren't even remotely interested in drawing separates people.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:26 AM
Clockhand, the fact that we have a GB doesn't separate people. The fact that half our members aren't even remotely interested in drawing separates people.

If I go to the GB you know I can't draw. I can barely can go in there and drawing in there is even worst, so if I achieve to get inside I'm the problem? The GB is made for both, draw and chat, if there is people in there who doesn't want to draw, who are you to kick them out? Kodos (as a example) is a common user of the GB (as I can remember) and I have never seen him draw something, so he has to be kicked out of the GB?

And It does, just ask yourself, How many times did I saw Rei (example of a common user of the GB) posting in the CB or GD? There is obviously a separation between users.

Jubeh@ I know is not a perfect section, but if he can't handle the idea that in the GD section people can discuss subjects, then I think even that place is better.

jubeh
09-19-2011, 01:27 AM
When it comes to threads being in the wrong section, follow this policy.

If jubeh doesn't care, then I don't care.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:28 AM
When it comes to threads being in the wrong section, follow this policy.

If jubeh doesn't care, then I don't care.

What is our policy of crashing the company car? =s

I don't say that this thread doesn't belong here, but if he doesn't want people to disagree with him, then why post it in here?

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 01:31 AM
I don't care if we discussed the IRC in this thread, but from the beginning you insulted me and made it look like you were trolling.


I pass, not just because is another GB with less features, but also because you are a mod there.

You may have meant this harmlessly, but I don't believe I have done anything so wrong as a mod to stop people from coming to a place where I am one. You are still here, no? You are also entitled to your opinion, but you can't just step into becoming a mod and become perfect just as soon. I found that offensive, therefore leading me to believe you were trolling and not discussing.

You also never go to the GB, so I don't see why this would effect you.

jubeh
09-19-2011, 01:33 AM
Thats not what trolling looks like man

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:34 AM
I don't care if we discussed the IRC in this thread, but from the beginning you insulted me and made it look like you were trolling.

http://verydemotivational.files.wordpress.com/2011/03/demotivational-posters-cant-tell-if-trolling.jpg

GunZet
09-19-2011, 01:39 AM
So is this going anywhere?

Ozzaharwood
09-19-2011, 01:39 AM
You do realize that picture is calling the suspected troll either a troll or stupid, right?

I don't see any reason to call off the IRC, so no. If it does happen to split up the GB/Forum/Oekaki/Casino Bar or whatever I'll get rid of it. That was his only complaint, so whatever happens he should have no problems.

CypressDahlia
09-19-2011, 01:41 AM
Yes, because Rei and most of the GB exclusive users hate the atmosphere on this site, so they only use GB to avoid the drama on the forums. That is where the separation lies. Most of the forum regulars have no interest in drawing, so they never visit GB. Most of the GB regulars have no interest in drama, so they never visit the forums. So blame it on the trolls, flamers and douchebags.

And honestly, GB runs even on 56k connections so if you can't get in it's p. much your problem. That's like blaming GB for excluding you because you don't have an internet connection. Nobody else but you can solve that problem, so phrasing it like that's the cause of our social divide is entirely misleading.

And I'm not kicking anyone out of the GB, so I don't know what you're on about.

ClockHand
09-19-2011, 01:41 AM
I know, and I can laugh at myself in both ways (as troll or stupid), so grow up kiddo.


Yes, because Rei and most of the GB exclusive users hate the atmosphere on this site, so they only use GB to avoid the drama on the forums. That is where the separation lies. Most of the forum regulars have no interest in drawing, so they never visit GB. Most of the GB regulars have no interest in drama, so they never visit the forums.

If the regular members don't have interest in drawing and do go to the GB, then there is no problem.
If the regular GB members don't want to come to the forum, then our problem (of course, if they don't want because of drama, there is nothing we can do and its more personal than social).
If the regular member go to the GB without interest in drawing, why would you kick them out?


And honestly, GB runs even on 56k connections so if you can't get in it's p. much your problem. That's like blaming GB for excluding you because you don't have an internet connection. Nobody else but you can solve that problem, so phrasing it like that's the cause of our social divide is entirely misleading.

Have I blamed the GB? no, I give you a example of a person with a internet problem who can go to the GB but not draw in it, and you would prefer to kick him out. And even if a person doesn't have the internet problems I have, then who are you to kick him out?


And I'm not kicking anyone out of the GB, so I don't know what you're on about.

If you want people out of the GB because are not interested in drawing, then you are kicking people out. Of course if you don't, then you don't and this discussion would be pointless.

GunZet
09-19-2011, 01:45 AM
Just to flatten out the battlefield. There's still plenty of drama in the GB at times. You just gotta be there when it goes down.

CypressDahlia
09-19-2011, 01:46 AM
Plenty meaning there is an argument once every month or something.

jubeh
09-19-2011, 01:47 AM
Yeah thats kinda ironic since I stopped going to gb since dudes were all drama'd out there whenever I was on.

CypressDahlia
09-19-2011, 01:48 AM
Dude I'm not kicking anyone out. What the hell are you talking about? Rofl. I'm just making a point that the social divide is not because the GB exists, but because there is more motivation for some members to be on the GB rather than the forums.

I don't remember there ever being constant drama on the GB. As a person who's there whenever he can be, there's is literally nothing going on 1/2 of the time. Just people idling. 1/4th of the time, people are drawing and ignoring each other. 1/5th of the time, people are just talking and not drawing. And once in a blue moon, there is an argument.

GunZet
09-19-2011, 01:52 AM
Do people call you Big Brother in the GB, Cype? Cause you're like, there 24/7 lol....watching.

CypressDahlia
09-19-2011, 01:53 AM
Lawl even if I'm AFK, I'm on there. I never leave. Even at work, I'm on there. Even when I sleep.

And naw, I probably couldn't get off to that unless they called me "oniichan" /Seddy

GunZet
09-19-2011, 02:03 AM
You're weird Pervy Sage.

Gedeon
09-19-2011, 06:30 AM
Why is it that sometimes when there's only Cype('s corp's) in the GB that none of us can come in? o>O You want some privacy eh Cype?:cat_ohoho:

Fenn
09-19-2011, 10:22 AM
I'd be cool with a chat. I'd use it occasionally anyway, provided I figure out this IRC stuff. I could see more forum users using it, as opposed to GB users.

pajamajam
09-19-2011, 01:02 PM
I see more drama happening on an IRC channel than on the forums.

Psy
09-19-2011, 05:57 PM
I know that the oekaki chats are supposed to keep the topic on the art but I've never heard that about the GB/GB Sketcher. I have had many interesting convos with many people (mostly cype) in the GB. Really if people were that desperate to get in contact with one another they would be skyping or msning. We have allot of registered members but I think the majority stick to the main site either not realizing that the forum is here or just not wanting to deal with the forum and it's posters. I have no opinion really. We are a drawing site so why not gb but not everyone here draws (or has the tools to draw digitaly) so I could see why you'd just want to talk.

Sho
09-20-2011, 05:31 AM
I have an IRC client running pretty much whenever I can so I approve of this.

Hamachi
09-21-2011, 01:47 AM
I am extremely interested in drawing but usually don't post my stuff on this website. But I check GB every so often to see what's going on. Groupboard or IRC, meh. Either way.