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Bardic-Dragoon
08-31-2011, 06:25 AM
but the condescending voice in the back of my head keeps yelling at me to do it... i hate that voice.

Not sure why I'm even doing this...quite sure somewhere deep down I want some one to say I fail horribly and should give up, whether that's to let me give up guilt free or make me work harder in spite i have no idea, but really in my experience you're all overly optimistic and 'cheerleadry' (which i kind of dislike) so don't see that happening. oh fudgeknockers i should just shut up and post pictures.

1: Nyuujou Megami Type 2 (about a week/week .5 old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0002-2.jpg
known issues:
her left a** cheek just seems off if not the whole left a** region
tail is off center.
outfit and tail are all missing Holstein pattern (more laziness/forgefulness/ not sure specifics of how i want that pattern to look...)
hand is a shapeless amorphous blobs (again laziness/forgetfullness/ WIPness)
upper back feels off somehow
her right eye seems off (not aligned with other eye?, open too wide?)


2. Amber (about a week and a half old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0001-2.jpg
known issues:
her right eye seems off (open too wide?)
hand needs help
need to add folds to the shirt, jeans as well but less os than the shirt)
pose is kind of boring...


2.5 stream of consciousness and doodles (about 3-4 months old) (just because i put them on my photo host for some reason so why not)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0003-2.jpg (perspective/diorama, and pose fail)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0002-1.jpg (various faces and analysis of a turn of phrase i hadn't heard till then)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0001-1.jpg (perspective and sleep deprived writing)


3. Amanda (about a year old) (actually thinking of starting over from scratch with a new pose)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scan0003-1.png
known issues:
her left arm seems too stiff
need to finish/add background (already have in mind just haven't touched the drawing in a year so...)
might be hard to tell she's holding a spray paint can
Is she leaning against the wall, supposed to be but not sure it looks it convincingly


4. THIF girl (about a year old) (just looking for opinions on her design)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scans0003.jpg (simple turnaround)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scans0002.jpg (bust shot)
design notes:
intentionally meant to be a little on the 'plain side'
heavily inspired by the character Ayanah from the webcomic Pawn


5. EPIC COW!!!!!! (two and a half years or so) (he is epic cow and he is awesome that is all)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/sketch0011.png (sketch)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mascotvector2.png (vector/colors)


6.Other old stuff (1 year to dirt) (see section 2.5)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scan0003.png Nyuujou Megami Type 1 portrait (1 year old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scan00012.png Amanda portrait (1 year old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scan0001.png Nyuujou Megami Prototype portrait (dirt)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scan0002.png Nyuujou Megami Prototype nude bust (dirt)

bambi
08-31-2011, 02:59 PM
I like how you draw faces. :) How long have you been drawing? It seems like your style is developing nicely, but the proportions seems to be an area you could improve upon.

For example, in your first drawing, you did notice a few of your own problem spots. I also wanna suggest, the tail is a bit off center, but I also think it should be lower. Like.. right above the booty. Also, this might be a bit of a pet-peeve of mine personally, but the boobs are way too bit for a woman that skinny (although that might be what you were going for.. haha. If so, I apologize!).

Also, the proportions of 2 and 3 could be tweaked. The arms look kinda short, and the torsos don't look quite right. You were drawing curvy ladies, right? A website like www.posemaniacs.com might help with poses and getting the female anatomy a bit more realistic.

Hope this comment helped. :cat_bye: Good work!

Celestial-Fox
09-05-2011, 04:37 AM
I agree with Bambi. The way you draw faces is extremely appealing. I think that you just need to believe in yourself a little more. Because these are really good starts. The most consistent problems I see are stiff, boxy legs and short arms. Just practice making natural curves for the body. I know I recommend it a lot, but take a look into Andrew Loomis's work for anatomical help if you want to make more organic-looking figures. His style is great for emulating if you want that sort of look.

Bardic-Dragoon
09-15-2011, 05:08 AM
@bambi
I guess i've been drawing on and off (more off for the last few years) since about '98, well i drew before that but that's the point where i seemingly got more into it. Also thanks for ( inadvertently perhaps?) reminding me that posemaniacs has a pose viewer and not just that cursed '30-second drawing' thing; i seriously cannot stand that 30-second drawing thing, i get why it's a good exercise but after many many frustrating anger inducing tries i just hate the thing.

@Celestial-Foxwho it seems keeps her promises
Believing in one's self is for losers, which i suppose means i should do it... confound this viciously circular logic. Anyways, i used to have PDFs of some of Andrew Loomis's books. i remember getting them from here, someone posted a link to a site with a lot of his and a few others out of print drawing books, sadly i have lost them. they did seem good from what little i remember though.

Anyways more stuffs cause i finally have some masking tape

1. Nyuujou Megami Take 2 (updated from image 1 in previous post)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0002-3.jpg
thinking on bambi's comment about it i decided to try and make her more chubby, generally the NM character is kind of chubby anyways but i decided not to with the last drawing. also changed the pose and expression somewhat.

beyond that issues i see
arm seems off, might be to high, to far forward, or to slim, maybe even a combination not sure
her back just seems off and i really have no clue why
Heroes of Ferelden (week, week .5 old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan.jpg
Two of my now three Dragon Age Origins Grey Wardens

anyways issues
Ryel's right eye might be too small, not sure it only seems that way on the computer screen
th outer edges of Ryel's beard just seems off, not sure why though.

indescribable
09-16-2011, 08:28 PM
i seriously cannot stand that 30-second drawing thing, i get why it's a good exercise but after many many frustrating anger inducing tries i just hate the thing.
I completely understand what you're saying here; I used to feel exactly the same way about blind contour drawings. You're probably gonna hate hearing this - I know I always did - but the key is to just not care so much. Don't worry about getting it right, just have fun with the lines and look forward to seeing how it turns out, messed up or otherwise.


Believing in one's self is for losers
Are you serious. No one gets anywhere by telling themselves they can't do it.


As for your drawings, I'm going to focus the first one.

- Her left eye seems a tad too high.

- The shoulder is far too small; try rounding the top out/bringing it forward a bit more and bringing the armpit crease down somewhat.

- The top of her back appears to be caving in. I think part of the problem here is that her upper torso is twisting a tad bit too far -- I don't know if you've ever tried it, but getting your chin to line up with the center of your butt like that can be pretty difficult. Perhaps show some more of her back and some shoulder/arm.

- Her right leg appears to be rather bloated. Try smoothing out the knee and butt lines, and remember that some lines will curve in, not just out. In addition, I think her thighs are too short in comparison with her lower legs and torso.

Hope this helps in some way.

Hamachi
09-17-2011, 11:54 AM
I probably won't give a specific critique on all the proportions and whatnot, but I'd encourage you to be more sketchy with your art. As several others pointed out - if a line's wrong, don't force yourself to struggle along with it - scribble if you have to. Only after this stage should you go over using hard pressure to reinforce all your stuff.

Also, from your shorter lines I suspect you're using your fingers for most of the motion. You have a huge range of motion you can apply for tradish art. Using your fingers for detailing is fine but I would suggest applying your wrist, or elbow, or shoulder to make a wider variety of smoother, more energetic lines.

Celestial-Fox
09-17-2011, 03:26 PM
You're not going to master things overnight. I only got okay at blind contour years after I started art. Even still, though, I can't draw accurate faces and shade like some people can without looking. Thirty second gestures will become easier both with 30-second practice and with more experience with slowly drawing the body.

You're not bad at all. Believing in yourself isn't for losers; giving up is.

Fenn
09-20-2011, 07:08 PM
*Tries the same line 200 times*


if a line's wrong, don't force yourself to struggle along with it

Wait what? Damn it you could have told me sooner.



As for you Baardic, you're way too hard on yourself. And since the polite and positive act clearly doesn't work, how about a different reply: suck it up. Here's a tip: try looking at your images from far away. if your nose is always up against the paper scrutinating, every line's gonna look wrong. Tape it to the wall, and look at it from 5-10ft away. you are now looking at it the way people look at another person's art--to see the big picture, rather than analyze every line on the page.

And if that doesn't work, deal with it.

The_shaman
09-21-2011, 10:15 AM
Look from what I've seen of you (both now, and in the past), your biggest problem is you are more concerned with the end result more than you are with the actual drawing process. This is a mentality I had 3-4 years ago, I wanted to go from A to D without any concern about the B and C. This is actually a problem I've seen with a couple of people on here.

Bardic-Dragoon
10-03-2011, 05:01 AM
Okay first thing first, Do not take me too seriously! Trust me, I used to do that and it wasn't worth the effort. Seriously though, I have a somewhat depressed streak and tend to make jokes at peoples expense, but in an attempt to be a nice guy (as well as fear of retribution) i tend to self target those jokes. There is more to it than that (shaky self esteem, arrogance, perfectionism, over achieving, borderline obsessive compulsiveness) but i don't feel like derailing this thread anymore than necessary.

So back to business as whatever it is...


I completely understand what you're saying here; I used to feel exactly the same way about blind contour drawings. You're probably gonna hate hearing this - I know I always did - but the key is to just not care so much. Don't worry about getting it right, just have fun with the lines and look forward to seeing how it turns out, messed up or otherwise.


You see the problem with that is that i suffer from a condition known as 'having a stick up my butt' which makes doing just that extremely difficult to impossible. which is to say i realize what my problem is with regards to this, and the more i try to overcome it, the worse it seems to get so i've taken the leave it well enough alone route while trying to find an alternative solution. not that i've had much luck with that.


I probably won't give a specific critique on all the proportions and whatnot, but I'd encourage you to be more sketchy with your art. As several others pointed out - if a line's wrong, don't force yourself to struggle along with it - scribble if you have to. Only after this stage should you go over using hard pressure to reinforce all your stuff.

Also, from your shorter lines I suspect you're using your fingers for most of the motion. You have a huge range of motion you can apply for tradish art. Using your fingers for detailing is fine but I would suggest applying your wrist, or elbow, or shoulder to make a wider variety of smoother, more energetic lines.

Unless these problems seem to persist in All (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0003-2.jpg)six (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0002-1.jpg)of (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0001-1.jpg)these (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scans0003.jpg)'drawings' (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/scans0002.jpg) here (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/sketch0011.png)then part of the issue your seeing may be a result of most things i've posted here being the result of me 'inking' (i use a pencil rather than pen so...) with my lightbox before posting because i'm using an unfamiliar scanner, and i only had half a clue what i was doing on my normal scanner so i trace/ink my drawings onto blank paper before scanning and then uploading so they come out clearer etc.


Believing in yourself isn't for losers; giving up is.
I never said i was giving up. in fact i've learned not to when it comes to drawing as a whole, it never takes, so i gave up on giving up.


Look from what I've seen of you (both now, and in the past), your biggest problem is you are more concerned with the end result more than you are with the actual drawing process.
OK you've said this before and to the best of my knowledge never explained it. my guess is it's the condensed version of a 'you need to use thumbnails speech' in which case realize that whenever i 'use thumbnails' really all i get is a sad attempt to make a full picture in a 1"x1" box, simply put when i start drawing i don't stop until i stop as it were, a minute or two on a sketch 1x1 concept of a piece rinse repeat for different takes on said concept doesn't really work for me in practice, and i have tried on numerous occasions. I am not a spontaneous guy and i never put pencil to paper without a seriously thought out (often over though out) plan, the culmination of which is putting pencil to paper to get it into the rough draft stage at which point i edit and revise ad nauseum not unlike i have been with the Nyuujou Megami piece that seems to be the current centerpiece of this thread. Of course i am wholly open to the idea that i am misinterpreting what your trying to get at but if so explain it and enlighten me.

moving on to the content (what little there is)

1. Nyuujou Megami Take 3 (updated from image 1 in previous post)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan-1.jpg
trying to take the suggestions so far (mostly indescribable's advice/observations) and fix this up further.

beyond that issues i see
ear doesn't seem in proper perspective, but i'm sick of fighting with it for now.
hair doesn't seem o fall quite right, not sure why
lips (especially the upper one) might be too big after redrawing head, not sure.

2. random blinking animation (about a year and a half old)
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/forum%20pics/U599D0_0960AF66A8CEC_010.gif
made in DSi's Flipbook program, always liked how it turned out recently stumbled upon this exported gif of the animation on my computer and just felt like sharing. also this is pretty much my only attempt at animation ever, and it's not something i intended to to do a lot (if ever again) but just really like how this turned out and was happy to re-find it.

maybe i need to find a more condensed way of responding to posts ( put those in a giant SPOILER tag maybe?) so i can avoid unnecessary walls of text.

The_shaman
10-03-2011, 11:19 AM
OK you've said this before and to the best of my knowledge never explained it. my guess is it's the condensed version of a 'you need to use thumbnails speech' in which case realize that whenever i 'use thumbnails' really all i get is a sad attempt to make a full picture in a 1"x1" box, simply put when i start drawing i don't stop until i stop as it were, a minute or two on a sketch 1x1 concept of a piece rinse repeat for different takes on said concept doesn't really work for me in practice, and i have tried on numerous occasions. I am not a spontaneous guy and i never put pencil to paper without a seriously thought out (often over though out) plan, the culmination of which is putting pencil to paper to get it into the rough draft stage at which point i edit and revise ad nauseum not unlike i have been with the Nyuujou Megami piece that seems to be the current centerpiece of this thread. Of course i am wholly open to the idea that i am misinterpreting what your trying to get at but if so explain it and enlighten me.

Ok before I do this, let me say this to everyone else who may have a problem with what I have to say, Deal with it, I'm not talking to anyone Bardic, so anyone other than bardic can really go fuck off.

Ok to you, since you say I never explained I'll try to go into this as simple and clear as possible, No it’s not a condense version of my use thumbnails speech, and I'm going to explain that to you as well since you... first I'll start with the thumbnail The thumbnails has 2 purposes, 1, is to help lay out composition which is one of the first things that should be studied along with anatomy, even before. Whether you’re doing environment or character, composition is the single most important element and make or break your art work. To help with this, because truly explaining composition will have me sitting here for hours going into the element of design, and the rule of large medium, and small. To shorten it, imagone your paper divided in 3s
Looking at this painting as an example its divided in threes, the most dominant element is to the right, the weight of the painting is to the right.
http://www.stepbystepwatercolour.com/blogimages/composition.jpg

when doing a thumbnail sketching process, keep everything simple, don’t try to do a finished piece in the thumbnail. 2. The second purpose is to try and get your idea on paper, simple. Its also used for doing paint layout, and tonal lay outs.
http://blogofthoughts21.blogspot.com/2011/03/thumbnail-sketching.html
http://augenwurm.blogspot.com/2007/09/i-like-using-grids-as-way-of-imposing.html

These thumbnails aren’t clean, they aren’t amazing, they are simple and get the idea on the paper, here are a few more example
http://www.explore-drawing-and-painting.com/thumbnail-sketch.html
Do you better understand the thumbnail process now my friend?, don’t just stick with 1x1 inch, do some 3x2 inch, 2,x3 inch and so on. Everything you say you do, I do to, I always over think my drawings and paintings, and usually end up dis satisfied, even with thumbnails, I can easily run through 20 thumbnails without working on a final piece. This is when I rest and start again.

If you worry about edit and revising, than stop doing stuff digitally or with a pencil, and grab a pen or well I would even say acrylic paint. These are harder to edit because there is no control z or “Eraser” so you won’t be wasting time trying to edit and fix. Yes there is stuff like white out, but using stuff like that will make your stuff look even worse than it originally did.

Here are some pen thumbnails
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-lbbv9ytGeY4/TXdX5STZjYI/AAAAAAAAA-4/r_PPJ0mAF0Y/s1600/thumbnails.jpg

Ok moving on from thumbnails, when drawing people one of the most two sided things I’ve seen are gestures, I and many other artist feel gesture are the most important part of a figure drawing. Other artist don’t do gestures at all, so I can only tell you what I feel. When say gesture, I am not talking about one of those stick figure drawing , and not trying to grab at the pose, but actually grab at the energy and emotion of the figure in whole
Gesture drawing exampels
http://www.mde-art.com/art-blog/charcoal-gesture-drawings/
http://www.jaimetreadwell.com/pafa-drawing-figure.htm
http://www.artistsnetwork.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/skbk_feb01_gesture3.gif
Yay gesture shapes!!!!!
http://ryansavas.blogspot.com/2008/08/monday-gestures.html
http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-uDkeMQfqrmc/TWM9HAIo3KI/AAAAAAAAACI/w1bUxXYHyAY/s1600/1331669394_c8703f3c50.jpeg
http://3kicks.blogspot.com/2010/04/gesture-drawing-demos-by-charles-hu.html
We start simple and work to complex which is shown here
http://www.gunnerkrigg.com/junk/parleydressconst.jpg

All of this is simple gesture shape, these artist work simple, but will build further off this if they want, its started simple and become more complex
http://kidfrodo.com/gesture-drawing_20100917
http://briansydnor.blogspot.com/2010/07/gesture-drawings-coming-soon.html
I feel I’m stopping too early, but I think I’ve dumped a lot of stuff ontop of you without you being able to question me clearly.

GunZet
10-04-2011, 12:12 AM
Also I don't know if you can read your own page. But your thread title has ellipses in it, take those out or people won't be able to see any further than page 1.

Bardic-Dragoon
10-17-2011, 03:27 AM
Update art thread with no pictures. i hate doing this, but i haven't drawn much of anything lately and really had one or two things i wanted to respond to

@The_shaman

Do you better understand the thumbnail process now my friend?, don’t just stick with 1x1 inch, do some 3x2 inch, 2,x3 inch and so on. Everything you say you do, I do to, I always over think my drawings and paintings, and usually end up dis satisfied, even with thumbnails, I can easily run through 20 thumbnails without working on a final piece. This is when I rest and start again.

If you worry about edit and revising, than stop doing stuff digitally or with a pencil, and grab a pen or well I would even say acrylic paint. These are harder to edit because there is no control z or “Eraser” so you won’t be wasting time trying to edit and fix. Yes there is stuff like white out, but using stuff like that will make your stuff look even worse than it originally did.

The_shaman, this bit here makes me think you were taking what i wrote to literally, if you weren't ignoring it in total. I never said i was worried about editing and revising, i was describing how i did things, which tends to have a lot of revision (look at picture one on each of my prior posts to see what i mean) and honestly one of the things i really enjoy about drawing is that i seem to sometimes hit a, pardon the cliche, sort of zen like state as i touch up and edit a drawing. also i did not literally mean every thumbnail i ever made was 1"x1". honestly i don't know the size on most of those thumbnail attempts i just draw a small box of similar 'aspect ratio' to the idea in question and go. Also, great job on explaining what in your own words is "not a condense version of my use thumbnails speech" by explain what thumbnails are and how to make them.

Ok more seriously, 90% or so of what you typed i already know, I know what thumbnails are, why they are used, and how to make them. My issue is more in the fact that i just don't stop once i start. As a somewhat parallel example; I tend not to write more than two drafts for anything i write, however i go through so many more drafts before i ever write/type a word and once i start writing/typing i keep going self editing along the way until i'm done (or sick of writing) with the second draft coming after a final spell/grammar check and a few pass arounds for opinions. When i 'try' to use thumbnails i tend to fall into the same approach; by the time i'm drawing i've reviewed and over analyzed the idea to within an inch of it's life and theoretically worked out most of the big issues, so i start drawing, and don't stop till i stop and edit the small (or big if i find them) issues as i go to the best of my ability, hence the tendency to try and fit full pictures into tiny boxes that often leads me to just saying f*** the thumbnails it ain't for me (unless of course i find another way to do them/get over this issue)


@ GunZet, yeah i figured the problem after panicking that i couldn't see the second page of my own thread and noticing someone mentioning the whole 'ellipses are bad' thing in another thread, problem fixed and life goes on for what it's worth (though i am curious why that happens as i've stumbled on threads with that problem, well i think, page two was the only one blocked generally)


feh, must draw and make up for bad post... or something.

Gedeon
10-18-2011, 05:40 PM
^do that.

People i think i have been here long enough to know what those ellipses are all about?

Bardic-Dragoon
08-08-2012, 06:23 AM
...Why am i doing this again?

1. Leiana (two or three months old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0005.jpg
Shin Megami Tensei Imagine is a game that i don't like but on principle love (many of it's mechanics and ideas i love, but it's a chore to play and not all that much fun) Anyways this is an unfinished drawing of one of my characters from the game: Unholy Celestial Matron Leiana a LV 26 Demolition Dasher




2. Lord Stone (month or two old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/lordstone.jpg
Interesting story for this as it's basically fan-art of a character i created. He is a character from a game idea me and two acquaintances were working on based largely on a vague thought experiment of mine (a game about talking that eschewed typical conversation trees framed as a medieval political drama) although Lord Stone was initially my idea he was for all intents and purposes nothing more than Generic Nobleman #1 given a name tied to what his lands were known for (mining and minerals) To see the original Design by one of said former acquaintance of mine click This (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Lord_Stonecopy.jpg)




3. Amanda face (month or so old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Scan0006.jpg
More of Amanda, she's kind of a default go to character for me



4. Amanda Expressions (week or two old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandaexpress.jpg
More of Amanda, this time playing around with a few expressions nothing much...

ScarletHue
08-08-2012, 07:17 AM
Your style is interesting, particularly the noses.

Anyway, to give your style that real polish I suggest you vary the line weight. It will make images feel more 'complete' and profesh.

Anatomy-wise the full body character will be my focus.
Her left arm is significantly longer than the right. The left arm is too long compared to the body, and the right too short. Pay real attention to measurements like this, because they really throw drawings off.
Her head- for an adult is far too large and I assume she is an adult from the fullness of her lips and the breasts.

Other stuff: Be careful about getting lazy when drawing hands and feet. Not a good habit.

- scarlet :)

Bardic-Dragoon
01-17-2013, 02:22 AM
@ScarletHue this is why i like posting older drawings on here that i have long since moved on from, helps me see issues i never noticed (mainly arm lenghts, as i was under the impression 5 head heights was acceptable proportions for an adult) also line weight is the bane of my existance in many ways, i've alwasy had a heavy hand and never was good at controlling pencil pressure...

anyways on with the show


1. Racial Facial practice (2-3 months old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/Nigga_zpsdb3aedeb.jpg

just practicing trying to convey race in a drawing. i think i succeed but not sure. also credit where credit is due bottom right portrait is meant to be a character of pagod7 (http://pagod7.deviantart.com/) (NSFW?) named Donna.


2. Ponies (4-5 months old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/PONY/Pony01.jpg
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/PONY/poni030002_zps9436e8ca.jpg

Yeah i like ponies, yes that's an original character of mine. done for the second ATG on Equestria Daily a few months back in an attempt to get me drawing more, stopped doing it after two days though...


3. Chubby Nyuujou Megami test (week old)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMchubby_zpsa53c2f37.jpg

just attempting to try and draw someone who is a bit on the pudgy side. not completed but considering that the whole point was trying to draw the torso with the extra pudge and had no plan or ideas how to go form there so just stopped. like how the torso turned out though.



4. Nyujou Megami Chubby pinup (NSFW?)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMChubby2_zps787500db.jpg

just be safe not putting direct image as she is technically nude and her undraw undetailed naughty bits are visible. anyways just started this today, need some help, i can figure out what to do with her arms. i had orignally intended to have her right hand on her hip while holding a jug of milk in her left hand, however this was just bland boring and the more i thought about it the worse the idea sounded as it was little more than "LOL lactophilia" rather than actually being interesting. oh also been having issues with lower legs but i erased those before deciding to scan so...

Bardic-Dragoon
03-30-2013, 04:44 AM
1. Amanda new 'do (hot off the presses)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandanewdocopy_zpsb887d6af.png

was origanally a quick sketch to try a different hair style for amanda, however i got this random urge to try and do some digital inking and coloring since i have a tablet that i hadn't used much or at all lately. mostly curious on impressions of the line work (having never done this) as the color is intentionally quick and dirty (mostly getting a feel for her coloring as i haven't done that in a while with her character.) also if any are curious the onrignal sketch/drawing i inked is bottom image of this. (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandanewdo_zps0ccd1bb4.jpg)
(top was me forgetting her facial proportions)

2. Another NM pin up (hot off the presses)

again not putting direct image as technically nude even if i have covered or not drawn the naughty bits (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMPose_zps18973182.jpg)

playing around with trying to do another pin up style pose using Nyuujou Megami. still working at conveying chubiness. also just curious whether her legs seem too long or not.

Blue_Dragon
03-30-2013, 10:26 AM
The nude is quite interesting: I like you're making a heavier character-it takes talent do something most won't tackle. One thing I might point out is that the hand on her hip is looking like it's going to be too small. It should probably be close to the size of her face. There's also something up with the tip of the tail, I think it's splayed out a bit much, and needs a wee bit more detail.

One other note, is that she seems off balance. Here legs can still meet like that, but they need to be spread further apart to spread the weight out, otherwise she's going to tip over to the right (her left.)

I like the style! You know, her face reminds me of something the great Ralph Bakshi would draw (He did Wizards, Fire and Ice, The Lord of the Rings, Cool World, etc.)

Bardic-Dragoon
04-10-2013, 05:54 PM
Had to pull the lightbox out, must be posting on here again...

@ Blue_Dragon Yes, absolutely talent and other admirable qualities, not borderline fetishism(mostly sfw) (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MaSv2bRijRg). In seriousness it made so much sense as her status a cowgirl/ushimimi and cows being known as large and somewhat fatty animals not to mention breast of the size i oft attribute to her looking more correct/natural on a chubbier frame. as far as your commentary, yeah the hand is small and half finished,it was sort of an after thought after shifting the arm position cause the pose looked off (likely the fact she was off balance you mentioned.)


well anyways more pictures

1.Another NM Pin V2 (Hot off the presses)

you should know the drill by now (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMpinupredo_zps330d5a5f.jpg)

so took a shot at redoing the pose to look less off balance, also changed the the design for the tip of her tail per blue dragons comment. not sure why i drew her tail tip the way i did before this is more in line with how i draw it anyways. at this point the main thing bugging me now is her arm, it looks oddly positioned and the less said about her wrist the better (it looked off before but now looking at it looks outright broken almost) well that and the fact i ran out of room for her feet, but this is Evan after adjusting the positioning on the page to try and make room for them from the original drawing, so that's likely not going to be fixed anytime soon.


2. Amanda new do full color (Hot off the presses)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandanewdocolorandshade_zpsc07bedd7.png

figured i'd try and finish up the digitally inked and colored image of Amanda from the prior post. though I used to download and color in line art from other people never made my own line art and thus never colored my own work. its kind of different from how i typically did things but i rather like the look of it. still wanting opinions on it though.


NM Bust shot full color (Hot off the presses)

http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMbustshotcopy_zpsc54085b9.png

I liked the way the Amanda one looked so much i tried it with a second image (this one from earlier in the thread for those curious (contains undetailed but visible naughty bits)) (http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/NMChubby2_zps787500db.jpg) not quite as happy with this one but still rather like it.

JJJorgie
04-11-2013, 12:27 AM
On the first: Her torso/upper body is extremely short. The breast are different sizes. The shoulder on the right is narrower than the other. The bulge on the hip doesn't make much sense. The tail is kinda stiff. Her neck angles inward on the left making it look really odd. The thighs are pretty straight lines, trying curving them some to match the rest of the body.

First Headshot: The chin is much too pointy! The eyes should be the same height. The ear is connected too close to the eye. The bottom lip being flat looks kind weird, as well as the sharp point in the bottom of the top lip. The way the left side of the face angles out as it goes up making the head a strange strange; try straightening it up more. The houlders are VERY narrow.

Second Headshot: The armpits should NOT be that high; nor should the cleavage. The eyes should be the same size in height and at the same height on the face. The nose looks strange with the hard angles on one side and curves on the other. The neck angles inward oddly on the left.

Bardic-Dragoon
04-12-2013, 12:28 AM
think i rember not wanting, maybe even promising to not make these sorts of empty posts...
@JJJorgie
First, would just like to point out this is the kind of post i was looking for, short simple, too the point whats wrong and not working. only thing i could ask for more is some expansion on a few things said that are vague or advice on how to fix certain problems.

which makes a nice segue into the other thing i wanted to say. specifically a clarification on something you said, specifically what you said about the bottom lip looking weird by being flat, this is kind of vague and since that was actually an intentional design decision (well sort of looking at the inked lines compared to the original drawing i unintentionally changed and often borked up some of the lines in inking e.g the chin is meant to be pointed but the inked line for the right side of her chin is not in line with the original sketch which is likely causing to look so pointed.) i was just wondering what exactly you meant, why does it look weird?

Demonfyre
04-12-2013, 10:42 AM
As far as the lip problem that JJ pointed out, I would argue it's because despite being a stylization it doesn't really make much anatomical sense. I struggle to relate to it as to what it is supposed to be representing. (If that makes any sense) The bottom of the lip however isn't the part that bugs me however, as it still somewhat represents what you are going for, it's the upper lip in this case that are what I feel need alteration. See the reference below;

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tcWyoolHNuA/TUNKGCUG11I/AAAAAAAAAfc/kxNInNhDMJY/s1600/L%25C3%25A4ppspecial+3.4.png
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_tcWyoolHNuA/TUNKGCUG11I/AAAAAAAAAfc/kxNInNhDMJY/s1600/L%25C3%25A4ppspecial+3.4.png

(If link/s don't work just google)

You have completely avoided adding the cupids bow of the upper lip and it hasn't been described via shading. My issue with this is that the structure along with the philtral columns are actually rather important in human vocalization. Simple anatomy of the lips;

http://0.tqn.com/d/plasticsurgery/1/0/m/4/-/-/NormalAnatomy.jpg
http://0.tqn.com/d/plasticsurgery/1/0/m/4/-/-/NormalAnatomy.jpg

Anyway, the only other thing that I saw worth mentioning is the nose. You have the wings of the nose actually dropping further down the face than the attachment point of the ball of the nose. On an actual human face the wings join to the face slightly above the ball's joining point. A nose reference in case that didn't make sense;

http://www.finetouchdermatology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Los-Angeles-Non-Surgical-Nose-Job-2.jpg
http://www.finetouchdermatology.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/Los-Angeles-Non-Surgical-Nose-Job-2.jpg

Apologies for the large images.

JJJorgie
04-12-2013, 05:01 PM
Anyway, the only other thing that I saw worth mentioning is the nose. You have the wings of the nose actually dropping further down the face than the attachment point of the ball of the nose. On an actual human face the wings join to the face slightly above the ball's joining point. A nose reference in case that didn't make sense.

^This!! I was going to commented on this problem, but I couldn't find the words to describe it. Thanks, Demon!!

And, as for the lips and pointy chin being weird, I meant that they look awkward. Honestly, she looks like she could kill someone with that chin. Rounding the chin just slightly and adding a slight curve to the lips would ake the overall picture look so much better and not so "amatuer-y" (remember that anime style still has anatomical correctness that should be followed, even if it's being simplified)

Bardic-Dragoon
04-13-2013, 12:26 AM
first thing first, as i mentioned before in the attempt at inking some of the lines were unintentionally changed which may be causing some of the problems (the chin and the angling out of the left side of the face) though a few are there in the original drawing (the ear and nose, though the nose wing issue is less prominent in the pencil drawing) so i'd actually like your take on the orignal drawing (i put a link earlier but it's kind of hidden)

it's the bottom drawing, top was just me forgetting what the character's face is supposed to look like
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandanewdo_zps0ccd1bb4.jpg (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/namuda/media/MT/mandanewdo_zps0ccd1bb4.jpg.html)

also lazily slapped together overlay of the line art over the original drawing too
http://i254.photobucket.com/albums/hh107/namuda/MT/mandanewgreenline_zps71cc0d47.png (http://s254.photobucket.com/user/namuda/media/MT/mandanewgreenline_zps71cc0d47.png.html)


ok that said
@Demonfyre
the upper lip is again intentional, to make a long story short the character's design is supposed to be clearly but avoiding prominent femininity. the lips a perfect example of this, they are intentionally pronounced to provided more femaleness (for lack of a real word) but for example the bottom lip is meant to be slightly squarish (more rigid squarish shapes tend to be more masculine if i'm not mistaken) though it's still supposed still have some curvature (for some reason the inked drawing seems to lose some/alot of this and i can't figure why as the lines on that seem to line up perfectly) however whenever i drew a noticeable cupids bow it just looked too feminine to match the design idea so i basically lifted an idea form the art style of Kim Possible with how they do the upper lips on female characters, which looked good (to me at least) though i think i might have some ideas what i was doing that made the detailed cupids bow look so feminine before so i have an idea to try out next time.

also thanks for the heads up on the nose thing, did not know that, though looking at older drawings i seemed to follow that guideline (well ish more so that the bottom of the wings tends to be just barely above/in line with the bottom of the ball from the front after looking at noses for a bit.) so i may have just botched it on this drawing.

ScarletHue
04-15-2013, 09:50 AM
I love the way you draw noses. But I think the farthest from us eye is smaller than the nearest. And not just in a foreshortened sense.

-Scarlet