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kamisoyokaze
08-26-2011, 05:39 PM
Hello I'm new to drawing manga (started three days ago, well I have done them in the past but not seriously more like crappy doodles in my books at school:P) and I'm not very good, so please excuse me!

This is a drawing that I copied to start getting a feeling for manga, especially on this, please can you tell me whats wrong with my line work, I feel as if it's pretty bad, but I'm not really sure what to do about it.
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/238/e/0/inoue_orihime_by_kamisoyokaze-d47wzpo.jpg

The next three are all originals, so please give me the full story with these!

This was before I got my proper inking pen, so the lines are uniform, here i was practicing trying to draw someone in a running pose.
http://th09.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/238/9/c/manga_girl_running_by_kamisoyokaze-d47x07a.jpg

This is one that I'm drawing for my friend :P I am in the process of colouring it, I'll post the finished version when I'm done as I'm sure my colouring will be the definition of the word fail.
http://th02.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/238/b/4/rg_manga_girl_by_kamisoyokaze-d47wzhi.jpg


EDIT: I coloured on of the drawings above

http://th03.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/239/9/5/rg_manga_girl__coloured_by_kamisoyokaze-d47z926.png

EDIT: 2 more drawings

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/239/3/c/manga_girl_with_cat_ears_by_kamisoyokaze-d4808cz.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/239/a/d/manga_girl_by_kamisoyokaze-d4807z4.jpg

Coloured on of the previous drawings:
http://fc05.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2011/240/9/2/intruded_by_kamisoyokaze-d485tvk.png

Thanks in advance for any comments you make.

PS. I dislike how it highlights the words colour, colouring ect. wrong :P 'cause I'm spelling them right, you silly Americans ;)

Hamachi
08-27-2011, 01:44 PM
I think the first picture was your best, Kami. Also welcome to MT. :)

If you want your drawings to look better you have to have a combination of two things: (1) Good knowledge on what things are supposed to look like and (2) good hand-eye coordination to put it down. To improve your first point, I suggest studying perspective and doing gesture work to improve how you see things. Memorizing proportions would also be good since placement of features is really, really key in manga. Learn what foreshortening means and how that should affect the face proportions you draw.

To improve the second point, draw lots! Best of luck to your art.

Edit: Some books you might want to read, if you want to improve:


Figure Drawing for All It's Worth by Andrew Loomis (easy proportion reference)
Bridgman's Complete Guide to Drawing from Life (learn how to think of figures in 3D)
Keys to Drawing by Bert Dodson (best art foundations here. also tons of exercises)
Perspective without Pain by Phil Metzger (explains perspective very well)

kamisoyokaze
08-27-2011, 02:53 PM
Thanks ^^ I'll take a look into these points, proportions is something i've been trying to get a grips with already, obviously I'm not there yet but i believe I've improved

kamisoyokaze
08-27-2011, 06:53 PM
Please guys give me more critique i really want to improve ^^

Gedeon
08-28-2011, 05:48 AM
Ok so i think that mainly you need to practice proportions first! It seems that you get the whole idea of shapes and whats behind and in front. BUT i think that it could be a lot better if you do some work on your proportions of the human body. here we go:
1 pic- As Hamachi said, the best one. Im assuming that you used some poster as a reference. Hands too small and the lower lip is going outwards (it would make a kick-ass under bite but i presume you don't want that).
2 pic- Too much of a squeezed face. I think that you did the eyes first and later figured that there is no space for the nose. The fingers are too round. Now thats perfectly fine but when you overdo it it doesn't look right. Fingers are made of 3 bones that conect on the joints. So next time first try to draw 3 little lines that are connected with circles.
3 pic- is fine but again proportions. The left(her right) arm is too long. At least the upper part of the arm. The (upper part of the) arm's elbows should reach about to your waist so use that next time you draw someone. Neck too wide. And with such a wide jaw you give off an impression that the head is much bigger then it is.
4 urm 5 pic- One arm is bigger then the other. And i think that the head is too big, but i get a feeling that you tried to make look that the head was closer to us then the rest of the body. In that case shading would really help out.
6 pic- second decent one. Although again with the round fingers, and the jaw is again too wide.

Well thats all hope it helps in any way. Another month or so and you'll be really good. Your actually decent now but you need to fix the proportions problem and your set!!!

kamisoyokaze
08-28-2011, 06:18 AM
-Snip-
Well thats all hope it helps in any way. Another month or so and you'll be really good. Your actually decent now but you need to fix the proportions problem and your set!!!

^^ Thank this was just what i needed, some good detailed C&C + a bit of an ego massage to keep me motivated :P But seriously thanks for the in depth C&C you gave me I'll spend some time studying proportions ^^

ram
08-28-2011, 06:55 AM
first I'd like you to atleast understand the basic character height.
character height are measure through the head, well that only works if your character designing and stuffs.
I'll tell you how to measure them in pose later on, if you managed to master this first
I won't give you too much pointer at a single shot, cause I know people get bored easily practicing to many topics at the same time.

teenage girl about 15-20 years old
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/060.jpg?t=1311890972
10-14 years old
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/062.jpg?t=1311890976http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/063.jpg?t=1311890981
5-9 years old
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/065.jpg?t=1311890984
2-4 years old
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/066.jpg?t=1311890987

top view
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/078.jpg?t=1311891010
bottom view
http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/079.jpg?t=1311891012

though there are people who make 6 heads tall even for kids like touhou who just make the head big for grown ups and small for kids.

anyway girls and guys isn't that different from this topic. the only difference is that the guy usually has a much longer head and just have much wider torso.

kamisoyokaze
08-28-2011, 08:30 AM
first I'd like you to atleast understand the basic character height.
character height are measure through the head, well that only works if your character designing and stuffs.
I'll tell you how to measure them in pose later on, if you managed to master this first
I won't give you too much pointer at a single shot, cause I know people get bored easily practicing to many topics at the same time.
-snip-

Thanks! This will again, be a big help ^^ I'll get to practicing that now :P

kamisoyokaze
08-28-2011, 08:31 AM
EDIT, It doeuble posted the same post ._. anyway if this post can be deleted that would be good.

kamisoyokaze
08-30-2011, 04:07 PM
http://th00.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/242/8/f/manga_girl_by_kamisoyokaze-d48bxm6.jpg
I was working on proportions, obviously i got one proportions wrong xD but what about the rest?

kamisoyokaze
08-31-2011, 09:12 AM
The first time i've done a pice 100% on the cmputer, i also was trying otu a new style, how is it ?

http://th02.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/243/2/f/faceless_by_kamisoyokaze-d48f77p.png

Hamachi
08-31-2011, 09:19 AM
Work on understanding what the figure looks like in 3D. Remember it's one thing to have knowledge in your head and another thing to use it. As my art prof said once: "I asked a student, 'Do you know how to use perspective?' She answered, 'Yeah, I do.' Then I looked down at her work and thought, 'Ummm no you don't.' "

Your enthusiasm is great Kami. Right now you might note that everything in the picture is from a frontal, head-on view. Your knowledge on proportion must go hand-in-hand with knowledge on how to build with simple 3D shapes. You will improve lots when you can convincingly draw boxes, cylinders, cones and similar shapes from different angles, and this is the first thing you should focus on.

Edit: I think I probably should give specific examples on what I'm saying to make things easier. For example, the pictures of your eyes are all from the front. Try practicing off Tentopet's eye angle library tutorial (http://tentopet.livejournal.com/34995.html) to see what I mean by how things can result from imagining things in 3D.

kamisoyokaze
08-31-2011, 09:34 AM
Work on understanding what the figure looks like in 3D.
-snip-
ok thanks ^^ yeh all my drawings have been head on really :P I'll start working on making things more 3d right away ^^

trilokcool3
08-31-2011, 09:55 AM
ok . I think y the first pic looks good because may be u used a reference art.
Thats nice
what the problem with making eyes . You are making it too big and also placing is wrong. Work on that .
And follow what everybody else said .
Do fanarts using reference art

darklinkds
08-31-2011, 10:07 AM
Hi
I think as a starter u should draw help lines to make it easier you mostly do 'em with a ruler .
Drawlines make sure that evry part is at the right place as for proportions you will learn that in time and also think logicly.
(try doing the poses yourself if you cant it mostly means it is impossible)
sry for the bad english sry i idnt want to search for any pics with helplines and i also need to go handball bye

kamisoyokaze
08-31-2011, 10:18 AM
ok . I think y the first pic looks good because may be u used a reference art.
Thats nice
what the problem with making eyes . You are making it too big and also placing is wrong. Work on that .
And follow what everybody else said .
Do fanarts using reference art
Ok i'll do some more fan art then


Hi
I think as a starter u should draw help lines to make it easier you mostly do 'em with a ruler .
Drawlines make sure that evry part is at the right place as for proportions you will learn that in time and also think logicly.
(try doing the poses yourself if you cant it mostly means it is impossible)
sry for the bad english sry i idnt want to search for any pics with helplines and i also need to go handball bye
I already do that :P

Gedeon
08-31-2011, 11:13 AM
Actually the latest one (100 % PC one) Is good! It needs a bit more solid edges, but its good. And the proportions are right! :D OK maybe just a bit lower crotch but its mighty good. :D

kamisoyokaze
08-31-2011, 11:21 AM
Actually the latest one (100 % PC one) Is good! It needs a bit more solid edges, but its good. And the proportions are right! :D OK maybe just a bit lower crotch but its mighty good. :D

Cool ^^ + i didnt want solid edges :P i specifically made them not-solid :P

Gedeon
08-31-2011, 01:56 PM
-w- snap.......my bad. But still i think that there are some spaces where you can see that bg color.

nisaren
08-31-2011, 07:31 PM
Sorry to nitpick, but I agree with what Gedeon said even though it's not necessarily what he intended. Unless you are going for a Monet impressionistic style for your painting, you really do need to have solid edges. When I say solid edges, I'm not talking about linework either, just the contrast between light and dark gives a solid edge. You have some already in your painting which is a good start and if I were you, I'd keep working on refining those edges. One good way to tell how well your painting reads is to change it to a gray scale and see how it looks.

kamisoyokaze
09-02-2011, 04:33 PM
Ok 4 new drawings, i took advice and worked on more interesting poses, critique and CC the living daylights out of me!

I see her head is wierd and her right leg (left to us) is too long, appart from that how is it?
http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/245/7/6/manga_girl_kneeling_by_kamisoyokaze-d48mj75.jpg

http://th01.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/f/2011/245/6/a/manga_school_girl_by_kamisoyokaze-d48mjbl.jpg

ok with this i know her right eye ( left to us) is too small, if i colour it which i may well do ill fix that in PS, also i think her body is a bit too long, am i right?
http://th04.deviantart.net/fs70/PRE/i/2011/245/5/c/manga_girl_by_kamisoyokaze-d48mjj8.jpg

http://fc00.deviantart.net/fs70/i/2011/245/d/b/manga_girl_lying_down_by_kamisoyokaze-d48mjfz.jpg

ram
09-03-2011, 04:10 AM
haha i really like the style of pose! I feel like using these types of pose as reference.

i suggest you study and start drawing objects for a change.. you might not think it's related but it's one of the best way to improve your visualization of 3d even in human body.

kamisoyokaze
09-03-2011, 04:27 AM
haha i really like the style of pose! I feel like using these types of pose as reference.

i suggest you study and start drawing objects for a change.. you might not think it's related but it's one of the best way to improve your visualization of 3d even in human body.

So like boxes or something? Or proper objects like ummm, cars and buildings and stuff?

ram
09-03-2011, 05:38 AM
both, boxes of cubes for drawing objects and drawing buildings.

if you managed to visualize and draw them in different types of view you'll become good at drawing body in 3d.
well for me i practiced drawing doll parts.

http://i1225.photobucket.com/albums/ee388/skyramiel/072.jpg
make sure you know every single part of it and you should be visualizing what it looks like in top view, back view.. yadda yadda
but i suggest you practice drawing cubes for objects first.

kamisoyokaze
09-03-2011, 06:16 AM
thanks ram ill give it a go ^-^

ram
09-03-2011, 06:31 AM
oh ok, by the way can you read what it says?

kamisoyokaze
09-03-2011, 06:38 AM
not much of it, if i bothered to get the meanings of some of the kanj i dont know i probably could I only know like 25 kanji so far soo.. :P

Why? Do you know what it says?

Leannah
09-07-2011, 08:12 PM
I like your poses a lot, I'd say work on the hair. :)

kamisoyokaze
10-29-2011, 09:52 AM
I stopped drawing for a while de to college so i decided to give it ago again :) please critique :) Both are original characters i attmepted to make.
http://oi41.tinypic.com/2cgkbbr.jpg
The above ones hand is too small and the feet are bad.
http://th03.deviantart.net/fs71/PRE/i/2011/302/1/c/nanami_by_kamisoyokaze-d4ecrbc.png
The above one has lots wrong with it, i know liek the right eye, the right hand and the breasts are in weird positions :P