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Portogas
07-28-2011, 09:07 AM
Hey! :cat_hi:

I have been drawing all day, so instead I decided to take up a subject that perhaps more people have noticed, it's about small stuff and how it affects your normal life. You see every time I read manga, I use 60% ​​of the time to study the drawings and the effects instead of enjoying the photos and story, haha ​​not only that but,

Now I can not have any sheet in front of me without having to start to draw and illustrate. :cat_cryincorner: I notice how, much the artist part of me has begun to grow, :cat_tea: I suppose that I am not the only one who has noticed such small stuff?

I don't know if I'm supposed to be frightened because of my incapability or happy...

BlueExorcist
07-28-2011, 09:41 AM
:cat_hi:

I do that to when i read manga, and i draw on any sheet of paper i see... ...

even so, when i try to make a character, i start to ACT like the character :cat_sweat: ... so i have random mood swings..

and yes, you are NOT the only one that notices the small stuff. :cat_rosy:

:cat_dead:

Fenn
07-28-2011, 10:08 AM
That's one of the best feelings an artist can have. Embrace it and try to hold onto it.

That being said, what is the actual point of the thread? You mentioned noticing the small things, having to draw when you read manga, and loving art. I'm confused.

Loving the use of emoticons though.

BlueExorcist
07-28-2011, 11:06 AM
:cat_noways:yea... i like the kat thingys... and what is the point of the thread?






:cat_hmp:

Portogas
07-28-2011, 01:26 PM
"Fenn" I will be holding into it! That being said, the thread doesn't necessarily need to have a point, as long as it has a subject correct? :cat_noways: But I think the subject is about the artist side of you, and how it effects you in your daily life =P. The point? I have no freaking idea sorry :cat_sad:

Fenn
07-28-2011, 01:29 PM
"Fenn" I will be holding into it! That being said, the thread doesn't necessarily need to have a point, as long as it has a subject correct? :cat_noways: But I think the subject is about the artist side of you, and how it effects you in your daily life =P. The point? I have no freaking idea sorry :cat_sad:

Subject was what I meant. You had about three and I had no idea where to go.


the artist side of you

I never would have gotten that from the topic :P

Portogas
07-28-2011, 03:12 PM
Subject was what I meant. You had about three and I had no idea where to go.



I never would have gotten that from the topic :P

Okay I give up! :cat_ahhh: I must be more clearly when it comes to the topic, but we might as well discuss all three topics :cat_ahahaha:
and "Blue" I think it's a good thing that you start to act like your character... O.O

Fenn
07-29-2011, 06:42 PM
Ive found that acting like your characters is one of the best ways to develop and understand them.

ram
07-31-2011, 01:19 AM
i think you won't grow that much from just doing stuffs like studying.
if i read a lot of stuffs about how to draw all day, i'm sure tomorrow i will eventually forget it.
it takes practice of every single topic for it to last in you mind.

though studying drawing is good but without experience of it, you won't get it at all.
well based on my experience atleast.

Celestial-Fox
07-31-2011, 03:55 AM
Ramiel, in order to apply new techniques, though, you have to observe and study from sources such as books and life. Without taking note of the visuals you experience every day your work will not and cannot change.

ram
07-31-2011, 04:41 AM
actually i really prefer studying, i'm just saying it's faster if you try what the book is telling your self, rather than just looking at it and reading it.

CypressDahlia
07-31-2011, 05:00 AM
Study and application are usually both important.

But I find if you try one thing enough times, you can make it "look right". This is my personal secret.

trilokcool3
07-31-2011, 05:23 AM
i am satisfied myself because every drawing i do:cat_wind: , THAT FOR SURE ARE THE RESULTS OF 1 YEAR EXPERIMENTATION ON DRAWING (2007):cat_yawn:
its good to fill that I FOUND MY OWN WAYS OF DRAWING SKILLS. :cat_hmp:
Thankgod till now i have not gone through any TUTORIALS...:cat_yahoo:

weez18
07-31-2011, 06:31 AM
lol im really bad with drawing on everything as soon as i have an idea in my head of something i wanna draw or a character design no matter wat it is ill draw on it..lol ive even drawn on myself before because there was nothing else..but yea. ^^

O_0 n idk how to use those emoticons XD

ram
07-31-2011, 09:00 AM
Study and application are usually both important.

But I find if you try one thing enough times, you can make it "look right". This is my personal secret.

draw and draw the exact same thing until you make it right... hmmm....
i guess i'll try doing that for a change.


i am satisfied myself because every drawing i do:cat_wind: , THAT FOR SURE ARE THE RESULTS OF 1 YEAR EXPERIMENTATION ON DRAWING (2007):cat_yawn:
its good to fill that I FOUND MY OWN WAYS OF DRAWING SKILLS. :cat_hmp:
Thankgod till now i have not gone through any TUTORIALS...:cat_yahoo:

i don't really know about that, you really need tutorials you know. it's hard to improve if you draw without information.
gravity or skeletal structure or anything difficult to spell that is learn in tutorials is really hard to figure out on your own.




O_0 n idk how to use those emoticons XD

click "Go Advanced" it's next to "Post Quick Reply"

SirJimmJimm
07-31-2011, 10:47 AM
Hmm, the first few years all I basically did was tutorials and studies. If there was ever an idea that I had, I would just make a quick drawing out of it so later when I had better skill I could draw it. Of course when I am actually good enough to draw it I think the idea isn't as original or cool as when I first thought it up. So I think up a more outlandish idea. And the cycle continues...

Either way, I'd just say to just push your techniques and ideas concurrently as much as you can. While tutorials are great, they don't tell you how to be creative. No picture is perfect, and and even though the picture may not look as great as you imagined it would be, you will always find some other idea.

trilokcool3
07-31-2011, 11:08 AM
@RAMEIL
i wanna try different u know.... i am still experimenting on how 2 draw good with less efforts......
ART EVOLVES ...... nd wanna evolve SKILLS..... ALSO trying to make TUTORIALS.... very different tat might help beginers....

ram
07-31-2011, 12:29 PM
@RAMEIL
i wanna try different u know.... i am still experimenting on how 2 draw good with less efforts......
ART EVOLVES ...... nd wanna evolve SKILLS..... ALSO trying to make TUTORIALS.... very different tat might help beginers....

you'll get confused with that i assure you. you'll start to make your own rules on how to draw which i'm sure that will come out wrong.
how do you plan to gather information? through reference? well that's for you to decide but if you make a tutorial that is completely wrong, i will comment on that tutorial and tell you exactly what's wrong for people not to be confused because of it.

trilokcool3
07-31-2011, 12:43 PM
till now i am not confused .... that is why i am still experimenting.... and i will do MORE,
u know one thing i dont give up on my drawings until it looks somehow good to me.... till that i go on rubbing rubbing and rubbing..
i wana AVOID THAT RUBBING THING:cat_whip: and all will be cool
well to think of... i am making
NEXT GENERATIONS TUTORIALS ... u may love it...:cat_hmp:

Gedeon
08-05-2011, 03:12 AM
LOL never used tutorials. Only references. I cant say it helps me when someone explains me the facts and shows me a picture. I admit that i sometimes take my sketches to my mom and she shows me a couple of trick (mostly for perspective) but i don't think of it as a tutorial =w=
I always sketched everything that seemed interesting at the moment. Never used skeletons for anything except the head and chest. The first notebook i drew all over was filled with my original charas (for every single one there was a little story and how they interact with the main 6 charas, and of course about that time bay-blade, Yu-Gi-Oh,digimon and pokemon were in the mainstream i put all those like atack points n stuff.) And at almost every 10-th of them was a tiny little thing i tried out, and gradually i worked up to where i am now(having no problems drawing curvy lines and anything rounded, but anything with jagged edges is a pain in the butt for me). I remmeber the feeling of admiration i got each time i saw a drawing on one of the tables in the school, it was ok, had decent anatomy and a cool yet simple design. An alien. And at that time it was unimaginable for me to draw anything similar to it, but now..........oh good lord how it feels good. i remember when in my last semester at my last year in the Elementary school i drew one of my charas next to it..........it made me feel like a god.......THe artist side of me is the competitive side that whenever it sees something awesome it wants to make something better the it, and i practise until i do. And when i see something that is lesser then my standard i feel as if i made another step to being better then those that i think are awesome......=w= so basically im a jerk who wants to be better then everyone.

Hamachi
08-05-2011, 05:20 AM
Out of curiosity, would you watch someone who does video tutorials by drawing reference patterns?

Egoslip
08-05-2011, 06:32 AM
Hmm the artist side of me?

Well.. the inspiration to draw comes to me over ANYTHING! I can watch a movie, read a book, read a comic, surf the internet, go for a walk.. I've been inspired to draw just by sitting on the front porch smoking a cigarette by myself, and notice how the sun in the morning hits the leaves of the tree by my door, the colors so vibrant.. the shadows cast on the ground and the sunrise in the distance. I can look at someone that's dressed uniquely and get inspired. I drive past a building with interesting architecture and my perspective teachings grab a hold of me..

As for progression, it's all about studying and practice with me, both with the power of observation and consistency. Now I will admit that there are times when I can't be creative.. not like when I was younger.. and the technical side of my skill goes crazy..

But what do we learn from art in our life? Well.. you learn to accept your mistakes.. how to correct them.. you learn to pay attention to details... you learn to accept criticism and learn from others.. patience and understanding come from my artistic side as well.. without patience I could never learn the techniques and theories that are behind art. I've learned control through discipline in my field/hobby, being an artist to me.. is much more than being able to use a pencil, or paint. It's a way of life.. a philosophy of life.. just like I scrutinize every stroke in a piece of artwork, I scrutinize my actions, emotions, and thoughts... as I see patterns on paper, it makes it easier to see patterns in man.. in the universe even. Being an artist is much like the mentality in martial arts (ARTS!!) where you perfect your technique, test it against others, learn from masters and more skilled people.. my artistic understanding of the body even helps me in fighting (LARP FTW) as in I know the mechanics of the body and when some one is about to move it's easier for me to read. No.. art is not just drawing pretty pictures.. it's about discovering yourself... in my humble opinion :)

Gedeon
08-05-2011, 11:56 AM
nope only tutorials i ever seen were those of anatomy books.....=w=.......and now i have problems with perspective and well everything that includes sharp edges.......-_-'

ram
08-07-2011, 06:47 AM
Out of curiosity, would you watch someone who does video tutorials by drawing reference patterns?

uuhh... yeah i would, but what's the point of it though. i don't really know if someone do that these days.
I thought the best way to learn is for you to copy them then try drawing them without copying them and just recall it from memory.


Hmm the artist side of me?

Well.. the inspiration to draw comes to me over ANYTHING! I can watch a movie, read a book, read a comic, surf the internet, go for a walk.. I've been inspired to draw just by sitting on the front porch smoking a cigarette by myself, and notice how the sun in the morning hits the leaves of the tree by my door, the colors so vibrant.. the shadows cast on the ground and the sunrise in the distance. I can look at someone that's dressed uniquely and get inspired. I drive past a building with interesting architecture and my perspective teachings grab a hold of me..

As for progression, it's all about studying and practice with me, both with the power of observation and consistency. Now I will admit that there are times when I can't be creative.. not like when I was younger.. and the technical side of my skill goes crazy..

But what do we learn from art in our life? Well.. you learn to accept your mistakes.. how to correct them.. you learn to pay attention to details... you learn to accept criticism and learn from others.. patience and understanding come from my artistic side as well.. without patience I could never learn the techniques and theories that are behind art. I've learned control through discipline in my field/hobby, being an artist to me.. is much more than being able to use a pencil, or paint. It's a way of life.. a philosophy of life.. just like I scrutinize every stroke in a piece of artwork, I scrutinize my actions, emotions, and thoughts... as I see patterns on paper, it makes it easier to see patterns in man.. in the universe even. Being an artist is much like the mentality in martial arts (ARTS!!) where you perfect your technique, test it against others, learn from masters and more skilled people.. my artistic understanding of the body even helps me in fighting (LARP FTW) as in I know the mechanics of the body and when some one is about to move it's easier for me to read. No.. art is not just drawing pretty pictures.. it's about discovering yourself... in my humble opinion :)

very inspiring ego.


LOL never used tutorials. Only references. I cant say it helps me when someone explains me the facts and shows me a picture. I admit that i sometimes take my sketches to my mom and she shows me a couple of trick (mostly for perspective) but i don't think of it as a tutorial =w=
I always sketched everything that seemed interesting at the moment. Never used skeletons for anything except the head and chest. The first notebook i drew all over was filled with my original charas (for every single one there was a little story and how they interact with the main 6 charas, and of course about that time bay-blade, Yu-Gi-Oh,digimon and pokemon were in the mainstream i put all those like atack points n stuff.) And at almost every 10-th of them was a tiny little thing i tried out, and gradually i worked up to where i am now(having no problems drawing curvy lines and anything rounded, but anything with jagged edges is a pain in the butt for me). I remmeber the feeling of admiration i got each time i saw a drawing on one of the tables in the school, it was ok, had decent anatomy and a cool yet simple design. An alien. And at that time it was unimaginable for me to draw anything similar to it, but now..........oh good lord how it feels good. i remember when in my last semester at my last year in the Elementary school i drew one of my charas next to it..........it made me feel like a god.......THe artist side of me is the competitive side that whenever it sees something awesome it wants to make something better the it, and i practise until i do. And when i see something that is lesser then my standard i feel as if i made another step to being better then those that i think are awesome......=w= so basically im a jerk who wants to be better then everyone.

Dude your just like me in some way. I want to get better than everyone as soon as i possibly can.
i admire cype and rei but not with the admiration of just being a fan boy, I admire them to want to defeat them and get better than them. that's why i'm going to put all i got in this saimoe competition.

@portogas
haha you finally got a topic you want in this thread.

Hamachi
08-07-2011, 07:31 AM
The point is that you see someone doing it rather than trying it yourself. Not necessarily more information, but for me at least, more understandable, like seeing a teacher do a problem than using a textbook to solve it.

Hmm. A true artist? Let's see... let me think up a huge list of perfect ideals... I'll use both gender terms for equality :P

***

A true artist is coordinated with her body. When she tries to draw a line, she doesn't draw a curve and vice versa. When she tries to draw a circle, she gets one - or something close. This makes her drawings fresh and crisp.

When drawing a subject, a true artist seeks to know everthing - and I mean every darn detail - about his subject. If he wants to draw an orange, he'll wonder what creates the little miniscule bumps on its skin. He'd want to know how fresh the orange is, because that affects its shape and markings, and he'll inspect it to see how much oil it has on the surface, because that affects how it reflects the light. He'll poke it, pinch it, and maybe even cut it apart. The wonkier true artists probably would wonder what it's like to be an orange.

A true artist always tries to learn more, and never assumes she knows everything. Even if she's the best artist in the world.

A true artist always thinks, with both sides of his brain. He never flails around wildly hoping for the best. Every marking he makes is meant to communicate something he's observed, or knows from memory, or has reason to believe is true. On the other hand, he is not so caught up with details that he forgets the big picture, and he also knows how to work by gut instinct.

Last but not least, a true artist enjoys what she does. She isn't results-oriented. She doesn't focus as much on the future when she'll get "really good at drawing," but she loves the process of creation so much that no matter what level of skill she has, she can usually come up with something attractive. These people never tire of what they do, so ironically, they often become more skilled than the goal-oriented ones.

ram
08-07-2011, 10:09 PM
well for me I'm not that confident to say that I'm already a true artist cause i hasn't really drawing for more than a year. but i guess the best thing that i learn is "think inside a box" and always consider drawing the hidden parts to make it accurate. That's the artist in me and that's all i can say i guess.

Hamachi
08-08-2011, 12:00 AM
Ha, I definitely haven't made that list I've compiled. It's insanely hard, but it's not exactly impossible. Da Vinci made it, for one thing. :P

ram
08-08-2011, 12:22 AM
:cat_shock: wow. I really though you made that. and it made me feel stupid cause i didn't even figured it out!. <strike>too bad i never any read any artists remarks</strike>

Hamachi
08-08-2011, 07:08 AM
Well um. Some clarification is in order. I did "make" it, as in, I wrote it. But I haven't fulfilled it; not as such.

ClockHand
08-09-2011, 02:46 AM
I have never understood people who watch youtube videos of people drawing with the motivation to learn. Like I can see videos, but not to learn, but more to appreciate. The same goes for tutorials, I'm awful to take attention to them, and I prefer to mess up the work but learning by myself than reading about it.

What I really like it's theory, reading theory of appreciation, composition and such is interesting, I think maybe is because, no one is telling me how to do things with the theory, and with tutorials they are almost saying "hey copy paste what I am doing".

Sylux
08-09-2011, 03:22 AM
So you're a concept guy. Seems reasonable, I mean guys at Studio Ghibli didn't get where they are today by figuring every little thing out by themselves.

ram
08-09-2011, 04:46 AM
can't really argue with improvement on observation but still... I don't know how long would i be able to figure out things i learned from tutorials on my own. but i'm sure it's quite long...

Sylux
08-09-2011, 12:56 PM
Eh, not really... I mean, once you reach a certain level where you know so much, everything starts to fall into place and you get it all figured out on your own.

Egoslip
08-11-2011, 07:30 PM
Always remember.. there's always more than one process to reach the same result.. just gotta find yours, and that's what tutorials (video & written) are supposed to help you do... it's mostly just an artist showing you their process.. you can try it out, tweak it, or whatever.. it's always good to learn from other artists.. I mean what's the difference between watching a video of someone drawing, and watching and learning in life?

Sylux
08-11-2011, 09:19 PM
Yeah, to learn anything and everything, one must first learn the art of imitation.

Black_Shaggie
09-02-2011, 02:22 AM
Always remember.. there's always more than one process to reach the same result.. just gotta find yours, and that's what tutorials (video & written) are supposed to help you do... it's mostly just an artist showing you their process.. you can try it out, tweak it, or whatever.. it's always good to learn from other artists.. I mean what's the difference between watching a video of someone drawing, and watching and learning in life?

I also like agree with Egoslip's earlier post too.

As for the artist in me, it's allways a work in progress. I find inspiration everywhere & I am not afraid to take a class or refer to some of the refrence material that I've compliled over the years. Especially if a manga artist or a comic artist I like has inspired me to a certain degree. I never emulate or copy works but I try to understand the mood & method of other artists. One thing that I've learned that works for me is to test myself. Try to make the skills that work for me sharper & faster. When I do & study another artist's style, I usually notice that they have some of the same methods that I thought were unique to me. To me, art is a living breathing thing that we all keep alive with our own creativity & ideas. It's the reason why I love www.mangatutorials.com so much, because we trade our ideas even if we don't realize it & thus, learn & grow together.