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Regantor
07-22-2011, 11:40 AM
It's been eight years since Panzer Dragoon Orta on the Xbox, longer than the time between the Saturn's death and Orta's release by a third... But now, it looks like some magnificent pariahs are gonna dig the series up in style. For the Kinnect, no less...


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8GJZbvsxxU

Might not be much to go on as yet, but the original series director (Yukio Futatsugi) is also involved in this now, giving Reg some pretty damn high hopes... I might even actually buy a Kinnect to play it. XD

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For the uninitiated, the Panzer Dragoon games were a bunch of rail shooters from the ninties that played like starfox riding a godzilla monster. On top of that, they had orchestral music, sweeping landscapes and gigantic bosses I'd compare to a fast paced Shadow of the Collosus. Criminally underplayed due to the Sega Saturn's lack in popularity, they have real heart and effort put in...

Even Saga, the sole RPG of the seires, -released during the system's twilight, and sustaining the death of two team members during it's development- is a damn masterpeice that butts heads with the likes of Chrono Trigger.

http://pdsoasis.thewilloftheancients.com/Parallel10.jpg

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So... *Ahem*... I'm not shreiking to deaf ears here, am I?... >_>

Rio
07-22-2011, 01:47 PM
I've heard of Panzer Dragoon. It was one of those series that everyone liked so much that it was hard to find the game. And if you did find the game it was expensive. :\ Kind of like Mother or Ico.

With so much interest from the dev's, I wonder if they're going to bring the series back kind of like Kid Icarus.

jubeh
07-22-2011, 04:43 PM
D-did you say suda 51!?

Evil_Cake
07-22-2011, 04:54 PM
pretty sure he meant soda

Hell_Baron
07-22-2011, 05:39 PM
i recal playing it on the original xbox.
it was pretty damn epic, too bad there aren't many copies of it.

jubeh
07-22-2011, 05:47 PM
Man orta was weak you otter play the other ones

Regantor
07-22-2011, 07:19 PM
D-did you say suda 51!?

Gweh, the more I search for actual sources on that, the more it looks like somebody just got confused and mixed this up with Codename D (Grasshopper's own new Kinnect Title)... Anyway, removed that note for now. Pretty sure it wasn't fifty one sodas, through... >_>


Man orta was weak you otter play the other ones

I liked Orta better than Zwei, personally. Might be way too short, but they definitely put mega effort into the plot... And graphics... And music...

Kodos
07-22-2011, 07:37 PM
Was there a Dreamcast one?

Regantor
07-22-2011, 08:53 PM
Nope, but the same team (renamed 'Smilebit') did make the Jet Set Radio games. :o

CypressDahlia
07-24-2011, 10:22 PM
The graphics look dated. I'm not one to pick on graphics, but when the FMV's look like PS1 FMVs, you get a little concerned.

ClockHand
07-24-2011, 10:34 PM
What concern me if is their concept it's still the same as the one they use for the Sega. Even if that game was good, then if there is no improvement on the concept and gameplay mechanic you are delivering in this new gen, well it can be bad.

jubeh
07-24-2011, 10:34 PM
No suda 51 makes me a sad panda

CypressDahlia
07-24-2011, 11:00 PM
Maybe they should just go with another Panzer Dragoon Saga instead. Except with a deeper battle system.

Regantor
07-25-2011, 04:26 PM
http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/9/2010/09/500x_draco2.jpg

Chumps say that their will be a dragon 'taming' mechanic similar to Black & White or The Last Gaurdian, but really that is the only detail that has been released to far, or at least that I can google up. Since this was sort of included in Saga to a very minor degree, though, my guess is that it will be the most similar to that out of any of the games...

Which is fine by me, personally. It had a WAY deeper battle system than alot of modern RPGs anyway.


What concern me if is their concept it's still the same as the one they use for the Sega. Even if that game was good, then if there is no improvement on the concept and gameplay mechanic you are delivering in this new gen, well it can be bad.

That hardly stops Call of Duty or Halo from getting very far... But yeah, I know what you mean. The second reason I think this will be an 'action RPG' rather than a rail shooter is because, well, nobody buys rail shooters anymore anyway, regardless of quality. Orta did badly for a reason.

Doesn't mean that 100% of the tried, tested and loved mechanics should be thrown out of the window, mind. The Kinnect part is what I'm worried the most about.

ClockHand
07-25-2011, 04:33 PM
That hardly stops Call of Duty or Halo from getting very far... But yeah, I know what you mean. The second reason I think this will be an 'action RPG' rather than a rail shooter is because, well, nobody buys rail shooters anymore anyway, regardless of quality. Orta did badly for a reason.

Doesn't mean that 100% of the tried, tested and loved mechanics should be thrown out of the window, mind.

Yeah but the gap of time that Call of Duty and Halo launch new games is not the same as this one.
And yeah, rail shooters were awesome back then, but the question is: Can they sell now? and that's the problem here, the gap of time between the old and this one is extremely big, the game industry has changed and the consumers with it. Selling a game that stay in time it's way more harder now than back then, reason why we see less creativity on game development for big companies (because ones you have the franchise you want to make a durability on time).

GunZet
07-25-2011, 04:37 PM
I think there was a Sega Saturn version. I remember seeing it in this trailer on a demo disc. Always wanted to play this game, but damn it was effing hard to find.

Regantor
07-25-2011, 07:42 PM
I think there was a Sega Saturn version. I remember seeing it in this trailer on a demo disc. Always wanted to play this game, but damn it was effing hard to find.

They were all sega saturn only at first, but the first game (and maybe zwei?) got ported to the PC and PS2 later... Saga, on the other hand, is now known to sell for like $500 on ebay because not many copies were made and the source code went missing. >_>


Yeah but the gap of time that Call of Duty and Halo launch new games is not the same as this one. And yeah, rail shooters were awesome back then, but the question is: Can they sell now? and that's the problem here, the gap of time between the old and this one is extremely big, the game industry has changed and the consumers with it. Selling a game that stay in time it's way more harder now than back then, reason why we see less creativity on game development for big companies (because ones you have the franchise you want to make a durability on time).

I was more making a joke about the fact that they release next-year sequels to those two series constantly, lul...

But about rail shooters, yeah, like I said, they aren't that popular anymore. I fully expect this to be quite differant. I'm not a total nostalgia freak, and even I found the 'legendarily awesome best shooter ever' Radiant Silvergun tedious as hell... But that doesn't mean I'm not looking forward to seeing some of the old game funk that I know and love being properly rehashed by a person who clearly knows what they are doing, and actually cares about the product.

Like everything nowadays, I fully expect to see a miss-mash of genres somewhere inbetween. Not even sharing the same plot, most of the team members, or even the series name, I think we can be sure it will be.

Will it make money?... Probally not in heaps. But if it's all the same, I'd rather buy a decent game for once, thanks, regardless of an instant sequel. This constant cycle of constantly rehashing the same thing is going to stop fooling the general public at some point, and if there is absolutely zilch in the way of little gems like No More Heroes and Vanquish out there at the time, smeg knows (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atari_video_game_burial) what will happen to the industry as a whole...

CypressDahlia
07-25-2011, 11:55 PM
Sin and Punishment Star Successor proves that rail shooters can be successful.

Regantor
07-26-2011, 06:46 PM
I'll admit; I haven't played either that or Child of Eden yet. Had no idea they were even rail shooters until now... >_>

Also; Just went back and played the version of the original Panzer Dragon that comes with Orta, and I gotta say... It's a pants port. Very slippery controls and kinda juddery graphics in places. The saturn version of the original (which is very easy to find) is a hundred times better. No wonder nobody ever backtracks.

CypressDahlia
07-26-2011, 11:23 PM
Do yourself a favor and play the first Sin and Punishment. Easily the best rail shooter ever made.

Also, house of the dead games are always popular at arcades, as well as the various Time Crises. The issue with porting these to home consoles is that you don't get a light-gun, which is half the experience for some people. REZ is also very well-received, though I've never played it myself.

Regantor
07-27-2011, 09:58 AM
Will do. The screenshots make me think of a combination of Jet Set Radio and Blame for some reason, and that's no bad thing. :3

Light guns... Well, the House of the Dead games on the Wii have been selling pretty damn well over here, but I'm not sure how much that has to do with the lack of violent games on the system. Never played Rez either. Hell, I don't even know anybody who has...

All this just makes me think of how exactly the Kinnect controls are involved. Will you be forced to mime the dragon or the rider? I don't know if either sounds like all that much fun, to be honest... Maybe Smilebit's weird experiments of using both a lightgun AND a controller at the same time will rear up their freaky head again (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunvalkyrie)?...