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TheDarkOne
07-16-2011, 05:32 PM
I don't know where this topic would really lie but hopefully this is the right place :)

Basically its about choosing a weapon for a character, with the manga that I'm working on, have been trying to figure out the right weapons for the characters, to show their style and temperament, so I was just wondering, do you choose the weapon for the character? or the character for the weapon?

ClockHand
07-16-2011, 05:41 PM
you always create the character first, because the weapon can be worked to fit the character. The weapon, or artefact's are never the main concern of the writer, the main concern its the character and the conflict, the artifact its only going to matter depending on those 2.

TheDarkOne
07-16-2011, 05:54 PM
Thanks for the help, I really appreciate it :D

Fenn
07-16-2011, 07:01 PM
Clockhand's advice is spot on.

My advice is not to let weapon stereotypes hold you back. Since its a comic, the weapon doesn't have to be completely believable either. If you want a truly unique weapon, don't start with a generic weapon and add a gimmick or feature; first ask yourself how combat and weaponry would have developed in your world (or what era you're in if it's set in modern, historic,or future Earth), and more importantly how your character will fight.

tagYURIT
07-25-2011, 07:44 AM
basically. .if you're makin' a mainstream battle type manga. . .you should definitely give some time thinking about the characters' weapons. . .especially if your story includes special powers. . the weapon should be identified together with your characters power and/or personality. . if your character is strong. . .a big weapon will do. .if he is fast. .a smaller weapon will suffice. . .if he knows kung fu. .a stick is good. .if he is rich. . .maybe a gun or something. . if he is intelligent. .a bow and arrow. . .something like that.. .it'll make your characters distinguishable from each other. .. . .and your readers will also be able to remember your characters well. . .^^. . characters having the same swords are called supporting characters. .you dont wanna make your main character simple right. .he must possess the ability to leap out of every page that your reader turns. . .siguraduhin mong super makikilala xa. .

ClockHand
07-25-2011, 04:03 PM
basically. .if you're makin' a mainstream battle type manga. . .you should definitely give some time thinking about the characters' weapons. . .especially if your story includes special powers. . the weapon should be identified together with your characters power and/or personality. . if your character is strong. . .a big weapon will do. .if he is fast. .a smaller weapon will suffice. . .if he knows kung fu. .a stick is good. .if he is rich. . .maybe a gun or something. . if he is intelligent. .a bow and arrow. . .something like that.. .it'll make your characters distinguishable from each other. .. . .and your readers will also be able to remember your characters well. . .^^. . characters having the same swords are called supporting characters. .you dont wanna make your main character simple right. .he must possess the ability to leap out of every page that your reader turns. . .siguraduhin mong super makikilala xa. .

I disagree with this in a 100%

Black_Shaggie
07-25-2011, 10:37 PM
you always create the character first, because the weapon can be worked to fit the character. The weapon, or artefact's are never the main concern of the writer, the main concern its the character and the conflict, the artifact its only going to matter depending on those 2.

This is the truth. A good protagonist isn't defined by his/her weapon at all. You think Gunnm's bad ass because of Alita's gigantic butterfly knife, or her fighting skills with the Panzer Kunst? No. It's because Alita (allbeit she's a futureistic cyborg) is a convincing character with personality that the reader can feel.

That's the only 'weapon' a character needs in my opinion.

I made this guy. Shade_One. He's a cyborg with a bunch of other cool high tech gadgets. He has a Navy P-Coat that has a 'pocket dimension' in the liner...& thusly carries an arsenal with him at all times. You'd think he was just another gunner, but he isn't. The truth is he was in the military & died. His conciousness was 'uploaded' into an android body. Every day he questions his own existence & he fights for the answer. The weapon is his soul..not the guns in his coat.

I feel that , if the character's personality is properly conveyed to the reader whatever they're doing (using) will keep the reader's attention. If you were to focus on the weapon, it will become the protagonist. Every story I can think of where a specific weapon (Tri-Gun...Excalibur) play's a big part in the story...it's still the character development that drives the story.

trilokcool3
07-25-2011, 10:38 PM
EVEN IF A 9 YR OLD KID HOLDS AN AK47 thats the reality somewhere in the world.
well if your manga character is something related to future you have to design your own weaponry
AHHHH.... i can be more specific if you post some characters here.

Black_Shaggie
07-25-2011, 10:56 PM
That's the point I trying to make Tril...
Take that kid with Ak, he'd probaly be a 3rd world freedom fighter or something. Or perhaps forced into a gang or a malitia by some despot. There's your reality. You couldn't just revolve the story around his AK.

My character's background is pretty extensive. If you look in my gallery you can see a few concepts of what he looks like though. Actually, he doesn't even look like the kind of guy that's packing. The future that he's in isn't too far off from today's world, butthe tech is subtly advanced is all.

btw...How'd you like my pimping of your char?

CypressDahlia
07-26-2011, 04:55 AM
Some of the best characters in history have been defined by their weapon. Vash the Stampede, for example. So you can't really make clear cut. If you explain it well enough, both ways work.

Black_Shaggie
07-26-2011, 09:44 AM
I don't know where this topic would really lie but hopefully this is the right place :)

Basically its about choosing a weapon for a character, with the manga that I'm working on, have been trying to figure out the right weapons for the characters, to show their style and temperament, so I was just wondering, do you choose the weapon for the character? or the character for the weapon?

Here's a question for you Dark One.

What exactly is this charcater's style & temperment [personality]? Also, what kind of setting is he/her in? The answers to these questions may be indicators to what type of weapon(s) he/she is more likely to use.

GunZet
07-26-2011, 05:18 PM
Some of the best characters in history have been defined by their weapon. Vash the Stampede, for example. So you can't really make clear cut. If you explain it well enough, both ways work.

Agreed. You gotta be really good if you plan on revolving your character around his/her/its weapon.

Black_Shaggie
07-26-2011, 06:17 PM
Even with Tri-Gun, Vash's backstory & goofy (almost innocent) personality that made him great not his gun. I just watched the 1st season of Soul Eater...1/2 the characters ARE weapons & it's thier personalities contrasted with thier Miesters that ake it awesome.

Take Guts from Bezerk...here's a really good example of what i'm talking about. Guts uses a huge Greatsword in battle. Why? Because he was born on the battlefield, his mom died at birth & his foster 'dad' was a bastard that made him fight...with a long sword...as soon as he could walk. Over the years, he simply became accustom to using oversized swords.

I hear wat you guys are trying to say, but The weapon or item is nothing without some knid of motivation or reason for using it.

ClockHand
07-31-2011, 11:28 AM
It doesn't matter if you gave Guts a greatsword or a knife, what matters is in the design and how you tell the context. The weapon has 0 relevance for the characters it self, because you can always adapt.

Bacon_Barbarian
07-31-2011, 08:02 PM
What is a character is a weapon? Like in Shaman King or Ultimo?

sajin
09-05-2011, 06:15 AM
Interesting topic.
I would state my general opinion about the topic and then I would tell you what proccess I follow as a mangaka.
- The general theme is that the weapon is part of the characters personality. The weapon needs the character in order to shine because it is inevitably connected to him. What would senbonsakura be without byakuya, for instance? Just a very good concept, I think. On the other hand as part of his personality the weapon is a boor to a characters soul. It may give light to the characters motives, attitude, personality. goals, past, future, way of thinking, intellect (see sakabato of kenshin) ... So when a characters is born as part of his personality his weapon is born as well. In the case that you have an idea for a good weapon first the next thing you will think is how to adjust this weapon to a character. To conclude the relation between a character and his weapon is like earth and moon. The weapon is an important element of the character but it turns around him.
- What I personally do. I first think of the character (in 85% of the cases). I see the weapon not only as part of the character but also a symbolism of the means he uses to achieve his goals. Then I immiediately have a general idea for his weapon.

The weapon and power design is a difficult proccess though. Making an original and successful weapon/ power demands a lot of thinking.
a. When choosing a weapon, as mentioned before you must think of the personality of the character that you are searching a weapon for.
b. Then you must think what impression do you want to leave to the reader. A cute girl with a bazouka will for instance astonish or make the reader laugh.
c. What are the goals of the character and how important is he in the plot? The main villains power for instance must be something dark or seemingly inbeatable (ex. Aizen Sousuke's kyuka suigetsu --> poetic, dark etc.)
d. Shape. You may base the shape of the weapon to stereotypical solutions (ex sword, gun) with so dose of originality. The second choice is to make a completely original weapon --> Take every day life object. Ex. A snail shell. It can become a wonderful cannon, helmet, super sound wave generator etc. An here is your original weapon.

ram
09-05-2011, 07:07 AM
does it really matter what weapon it is? actually ideas for that will just come like a mosquito..
you just need experience in drawing weapons and then design your own, and just give it to your character..

the big problem probably is how to draw weapon and how to put gravity with it's strike and how to foreshorten them and draw them in every types of view. how to pose your character with that weapon and the special effect of it's surroundings! yadda yadda

I wish all my problems is just choosing.

sajin
09-05-2011, 07:31 AM
Actually choosing is a very important point in the proccess but I would agree that what you state above is the most difficult part in weapon drawing.

ram
09-05-2011, 03:48 PM
as i said ideas for what weapon would fit the character will just go like a fly.
spiderman uses web as weapon, do you think the author of it takes his time to think of what weapon spiderman should use?
the thing that made him think is probably the ideas of the effect of it and how it would affect his every possible movement.

you can just add some possibilities of it, but any weapon would do.

I could think of a better character development with ichigo using an axe or even an knife.
try reading mahou sensei negima.

ClockHand
09-05-2011, 04:21 PM
Silly.

You can design any weapon to adjust to the character personality, so the weapon is not a mayor issue. Before you think "which weapon/power to give" it's better to ask yourself "what does my character stand for"?