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 Post subject: Re: Beyond death? Rebirth?
PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 1:59 pm 
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I remember hearing somewhere that If you were really bad you were reincarnated as a woman.

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I thought that was nly if you got reincarnated as something that wasn't human. You could reincarnated into richer casta, AKA a good thing.

That's Hinduism dude. And you mean caste, not casta. Same to Phail.

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I know I meant caste... Spell fail.

Still, some religion (philosophy) says it exists. Doens't mean it does. Just that reincarnation isn't necessarily bad.

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I thought that was nly if you got reincarnated as something that wasn't human. You could reincarnated into richer casta, AKA a good thing.

Being reincarnated was a bad thing regardless also being reincarnated as a cow is a good thing.

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As Delp said, depends on the Religion

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Both major religions featuring reincarnation state the final goal as not being reincarnated anymore as in reincarnation is bad.

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Although being reincarnated as a demi-godly spiritual thing sounded pretty awesome to me.

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Both major religions featuring reincarnation state the final goal as not being reincarnated anymore as in reincarnation is bad.

Yeah, but you have to until you reach enlitenment, and you aren't suppose to be able to do that in one life, so ... Yeah

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Well who knows, maybe by now we've all been through multiple reincarnations. I keep having these dreams about long bows and English people.

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There are no souls. There is no reincarnation. There is no life after death. We live, we die, that is it.

Can you proove that? (I mean of course it doesn't exist physically, but...) Socrates and Plato said the soul was made up of the Logos, Thymos, and Eros.

I don't have to prove that. The burden of proof is not on me. I'm not making a positive a claim.

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theory, idea,......food for thought, who cares,and why do you hate me so much, is it because of my little stupid mistakes??

I care, as should you and other people. Words are important and have meanings. Twisting and abusing words to make certain ideas seem more or less credible is exactly what Fox News and other evil idiots do to make their own shit sound better. Hence the integrity of words is an important thing.

And I don't hate you. I barely know you well enough to hate you. You need to get over your little persecution complex, there.

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Srsly. Let's breathe some life into it. Moving from science and philosophy, if you could choose any option for what happenes after death, what would it be? Heaven, Reincarnation, Nothing?

If you remembered your past life and simply got a new body, Reincarnation would be cool.

That's stupid. "Moving away from science and philosophy, let us discuss this scientific and philosophical concept!

That said, the answer is obvious. Heaven. By definition. Heaven is the most pleasurable place that lasts forever. By definition everyone will choose Heaven.

Iain M. Banks' latest Culture novel actually deals with Heaven & silly goose and life after death, amusingly enough.

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There are no souls. There is no reincarnation. There is no life after death. We live, we die, that is it.

Can you proove that? (I mean of course it doesn't exist physically, but...) Socrates and Plato said the soul was made up of the Logos, Thymos, and Eros.

I don't have to prove that. The burden of proof is not on me. I'm not making a positive a claim.

Can you proove the mind exists? No. Same thing. A soul isn't physical. It's metaphysical. It's like all of your emotions. You can't possibly say emotiond don't exist.

Also, about people choosing Heaven by default...

If you go back a page, you'll find I chose nothing

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Nothing is the way to go if you're not a scaredy cat. I'm pretty sure with the afterlife being nothing, you don't have to worry about nothing. Or getting beat up by God, or falling out of clouds, committing super-adultery and being dropped to silly goose...stuff like that.

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Can you proove the mind exists? No. Same thing. A soul isn't physical. It's metaphysical. It's like all of your emotions. You can't possibly say emotiond don't exist.

I can prove that the mind exists, yes. First of all, it kind of comes along with the rejection of solipsism. Cogito ergo sum. I have a mind, and you are physically - more or less - identical to myself, ergo you too likely have a mind. Plus I can observe electrochemical activity in your brain and note how changes to it correspond with changes in your mind-state. A mind cannot be conclusively proven - just like anything a posteriori - but it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

The mind is physical. It is a thing that is born from the interplay of electrochemical signals in the brain.

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Also, about people choosing Heaven by default...

If you go back a page, you'll find I chose nothing

And I'd argue then that for you oblivion is heaven.

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Can you proove the mind exists? No. Same thing. A soul isn't physical. It's metaphysical. It's like all of your emotions. You can't possibly say emotiond don't exist.

I can prove that the mind exists, yes. First of all, it kind of comes along with the rejection of solipsism. Cogito ergo sum. I have a mind, and you are physically - more or less - identical to myself, ergo you too likely have a mind. Plus I can observe electrochemical activity in your brain and note how changes to it correspond with changes in your mind-state. A mind cannot be conclusively proven - just like anything a posteriori - but it can be proven beyond reasonable doubt.

The mind is physical. It is a thing that is born from the interplay of electrochemical signals in the brain.

Can;t touch it though. So it's Metaphysical. Right?

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Also, about people choosing Heaven by default...

If you go back a page, you'll find I chose nothing

And I'd argue then that for you oblivion is heaven.

No. Heaven is a place. A physical place. If it does exist. Nothing is nothing.

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