@Clock; what you are telling me is you have nothing progressive to add to the discussion, and you just jacked one of the weakest points of my abilities as an artist, made it your avatar for some meaningless purpose that I am suppose to back down because of?

@Toast I gain my experience through doing it, references, and instructors are tools to help that experience come faster and have a more smoother transaction. Listening to someone tell you how to draw, or reading it in a book is not the same as doing it yourself.

@Sottaceti; All hail Sottaceti!

Exactly, you gain your experience through references and instructors, books, maybe even one day you tried out a tutorial. I understand you're trying to say "yeah well looking through tutorials and all that isn't the same as actually drawing" but you can't reach the level you want to reach without actually learning through different things. You don't naturally know how to have good composition in your art, or how to use colours correctly, or how to shade, or how to do anything without learning about it from something, whether it's just learning through watching people or going to a special art class. You can't automatically do it and know what you're doing, because you will almost always make mistakes without some sort of guide.

That being said, I think teachers are fine for trying to learn art. Some people learn better in different ways, maybe the OP learns better with someone with experience helping them. I know I learn better through references and people showing me what I need to work on.

The point is quiet easly, you cleam that instructors, refferenses and other things are jsut to win faster experiense (like this were a rpg game), but your own skills are childish and you are kinda retarded to.



Dude, this avatar show you, that you need more help that you think, so go for references and instructors, because you need them and your experiense of just drawing is not enought. Just look my retarded avatar xD.

You should just stop trying to look smart and accept your own incompetence and work with your own garbage.

if you have a dA account join the group manga apps. we do livestreaming sessions and stuff that might help
Manga-Apps

Clock you are the retarded one, not only do you try to insult me, but you try to insult me using old pieces of work? Man grow up seriously and improve your reading skills because I have sifd multiple times in this thread alone I am still improving, learning, and ill toss growing here just in cse you don't know what the other two means. Instead of worrying about my work try worrying about your own some.

I haven't see you improving, all I see from you are just rants. You should stop here, stop posting, and just work on your own work, because I don't see how can you have a oppinion when you are still in a childish level of skill.

And yeah maybe I don't know what some things mean, who cares? whats matter if what I can do. And yeah I'm still learning, but at least I can critic and gave opinion in what I have learn and what I'm working on.

I won't deny I agree with you greatly on this.

@clock; hahahaha its official, your an idiot, and I'm going to leave you to your raging idiocy clock. you blatantly insult me and then try to play yourself off as a humble critic? All you is a guy on the internet trying to talk big to someone else really. You say what you want about my skill level, that's your opinion, and guess what I agree because I will always agree until I am at a level where I am satisfied with my work. If I ever reach such a level then I will no longer consider myself an artist. Instead of trying to talk done on someone step your own game up, because everything you have shown me in this thread is simple childish behavior.

Hey dude, all I have to say is: "look my avatar".

If anyone else worth while would like to continue this discussion, please pm me, because this has become nothing more then a spam thread between me and clock. Sorry about that Onimashio the Defender

I am not really following the conversation but I'll toss up some tips.

first practice the basics.

First thing you must know is perspective.
This is probably the best perspective tutorial out there
PT1 http://fox-orian.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d1yamid
PT2 http://fox-orian.deviantart.com/gallery/#/d22g3hc

Next is drawing things around you to get used to shapes and shading
best to start with gesture drawing which is making a form with free flowing lines, best to use your whole arm when doing gesture drawing, example: http://browse.deviantart.com/traditiona ... ng#/d6u9yj

Next is contour drawing, this if far less free lining compared to gesture drawing and is the principle to making outlines or lineart, example: http://browse.deviantart.com/?qh=&secti ... ng#/di4l3r

Last part of drawing basics is shading, when shading it is best to use the entire gradient from light to dark. Start the shading really light and slowly work your way darker. This probably is not the best example since my scanner sucks but as you can see I use the full gradient when shading to give shape, depth, volume, and lighting: http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh22 ... nDrake.jpg

After you have these down then you can focus on anatomy, I wouldn't suggest going right into doing manga/anime style until you know the human body and proportions, much of human anatomy is translated into manga, here is some past practices I have done that will give you an idea of what to work on: http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh22 ... study1.jpg
Generally proportions are based on a head length scale http://s257.photobucket.com/albums/hh22 ... g&newest=1

After that is clothing, really only tip I have here is studying fold and clothing styles.

Dynamic posing is the post complex thing in drawing human figures, I suggest drawing stick figures in random poses to get a plan of attack, then using geometric shapes to fill in for the body and to figure out any foreshortening due to perspective, this is not a very good example of a geometric figure but it should give you an idea of how it works: http://browse.deviantart.com/traditiona ... n#/d29bewm
after that just fill in the anatomy and clothing.

Biggest tip is practice 2 hours a day, for example I started drawing random hand gestures when ever I have time that covers that time frame.

Rest is up to you to challenge yourself by setting goals such as surpassing another artist or understanding how to do something like drawing a stony path.

Good Luck.

My advice: getting better is good and all, but don't turn art into a chore for yourself.

Do it because you want to draw, not because you want to meet some status quo. Basically, don't ruin art for yourself.

My advice : STFU and stop spamming this thread.

Mage, you gotta grow up and stop getting mad at people, or trying to prove your point when you don't have one.

Clock, don't feed the trolls.