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 Post subject: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:36 am 
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looking for someone to give me one on one lessons for free on how to draw on internet or in person

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PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 2:35 am 
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not sure if this would be the right section to ask for that

[EDIT - Rio] Moved topic to General Discussion.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:00 pm 
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Are you going to school right now? Why not take some art classes? Other than that, there is the Groupboard Academy but it's been pretty silent. You pretty much have to learn things on your own, with books, or online tutorials. You can also just post up your drawings in the Artist Alley and just ask for critiques.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 12:23 pm 
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I've kind of come to two understandings in my life really. Outside of college or private lessons on art, regular school art classes are a bunch of bs where you literally learn little info outside the colorwheel and maybe some transitions.

Another is that you can learn yourself by following tutorials, which again is a false, because you are not really learning all you really doing is following someone elses work and ultimately copying it. Not to mention I have yet to come across a tutorial which real when deeply into detail of defining space, defining and understanding composition, gesture shapes and many other things. silly goose I have yet to find a tutorial that actually explained, addition, subtraction, interlocking, and insertion which is something that is needed before people try getting into designing character or hard surface concepts. Don't get me wrong now, I am not knocking tutorials because what most if not all of them do explain is action lines, gesture lines, grabbing anatomy book (which also does not explain defining space.), and some other stuff, but most say the same thing. It would be best for him/her to learn one on one with someone who understand this and can help him understand this as well, but I do believe this is by far the wrong site for that. While their are some decent anime artist here, I have seen few that shown the understanding of these concepts as well and in that list also includes myself because it was only recent where I began learning and understanding it to.

Also, that's just my thought on that, someone else may utterly and completely disagree.

Edit the above is also why I don't post in artist alley to critic other any more, I no longer look at the quality of the work, but the understanding of making a composition of an illustration, or concept art. Its a bit of self training on my way to being a visual developer.

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@ Gunzet
It depends on what you're reading. There a lot of books and other tutorials out there that only gloss over the basics (mine included) but the topics you mentioned are for more advanced people. When you start off, you start off with the basics because let's face it; people don't want to hear about defining space, defining and understanding composition, gesture shapes and so on, as you said - they just want to draw. And they want results now. All of those you described come afterward when they've shown enough interest to understand, comprehend, and expand their craft than just drawing for the first time. It's like teaching someone nuclear fusion before they even learn about atoms. The teacher may teach it but that doesn't mean the student is ready to learn it.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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@Rio, are you sure you are talking to me, and not gunz? Actually things like adding, subtracting, interlocking, insertion, gestures, and gesture shapes are all the very basics of drawing actually. Before we draw anything whether it be characters or people, we have to learn these things. Example when people build a figure from shapes, that's addition, where faces are contacting. The problem is they build that without any type of knowledge of gesture shapes. which leads to stiff flat figures, and the basic tutorials do not explain them either. I have ever seen one book that actually talked about that. composition is also a basic knowledge., , because lets not forget you have flat space, limited space, deep space, and the one I hate most, abstract space.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
PostPosted: Wed Sep 08, 2010 9:44 pm 
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http://www.fivepencilmethod.com/howtodr ... ls-videos/
I haven't gone very far into this website, but it seems to be good so far. You won't start drawing immediately though. First the guy who sponsors it tell you some materials for drawing you should get, then you work on shading. He's really good at explaining things too, and the free videos you get are pretty much a free taken college art class. And you don't really have to be good at drawing either. You start with basics, so its pretty easy. You just have to practice alot.


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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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I suggest you get on GB more Onimashio.. you wil get to see lots of people drawing and stuff.. good place to observe and ask questions.

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@Blackmage: so basically the short version of what your saying is "f*** you hobbyists" i will admit my statement is harsh, but harsh drives the point home and indeed you have eliminated basically every learning tool available to the average hobbyist artist. not to say that i disagree with what your saying, but you offer nothing but the negative statement that it's wrong, or basically your saying " unless you are studying art/design at a collegiate level or are willing to sink $1-$200 minimum into private lessons (i've looked into pricing on them so those numbers are not out of my a** btw) then you'll never learn the most basic skills necessary." and lets face it, i would be surprised to see that most hobbyist artist have the kind of money to sink into private lessons with much ease, and well hobbyist kind of infers not studying it in college.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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So how exactly did you get fuck you hobbyist out of anything I posted? I wouldn't even say fuck hobbyist when I myself started as one and when I am force to retire, will become one once again. What I did say was one on one lessons with someone was better then trying to follow a tutorial, becauseyou are not really creating work, but just copying. I was actually explaining what 90% of tutorials did not teach, I did not say, OMG ALL TUTORIALS FUCKING SUCKED DON'T USE THEM. I believe you are just taking what I said a bit to the extreme, and I stand by what I said as a student and as a hobbyist. You cannot learn from a tutorial because you are not creating, you are copying. Copying for learning purposes is not wrong, but chances are you are not understanding what you are copying because you are not seeing the gesture shape, the composition. Everyone says work on anatomy, or proportions, but have decent understanding of that does not make up for the fact something has poor composition.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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relax guys. Do you realize what you're getting angry about.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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Who's angry? I thought we were explaining our positions on this.

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 Post subject: Re: looking for someone to give me one on one lessons
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Oh, I dunno, just constant swearing usually comes off as being angry.

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Doing a tutorial doesn't mean your copying. It's showing you a technique, not saying, "HEY!! Draw this!!"

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