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here is a character I drew... I did a lot of erasing, just trying to draw the ears.
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It needs alot of improvement. Maybe try watching anime and reading manga and study how they're eyes are and look at how they're bodys are drawn..maybe you could find an anime you like and do fan art. Over all you definety need to practice...how old are you?

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If you want to learn how to draw the human body I would recommend you to choose one part to focus on at a time. A lot of people start by learning the basic shape of the head (and face, probably because it's more fun to draw a complete head ;)) But I'm more a fan of learning to sketch the whole body as a beginner. Sketching out of reference is probably best for developing your own methods but that's not a method fit for everyone, so if it doesn't work for you try googling "how to draw human body" or something similar. I don't have any good links to share at the moment.

You show an eye for detail, something one should never underestimate ;) but when you focus on the details it's easy to forget that the details should form a "whole". Learning to sketch nicely is a feat that helps with that, sadly I don't have any links for that either.

And keep drawing and posting, getting continous feedback is one of the best ways to improve rapidly :)


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Im excited to watch you improve :)

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Thanks guys. And I will try what you guys suggested. Well, I'll be back later after I finish trying to draw the head. :P

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Do as Rubisko said. Work with human anatomy (not anime) and geometric shapes.

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One word for you: guidelines. They may sound awful at first, but once you try them, they'll become your bestest best friend. The awesomest part about them is that they're only there for a time--after a while, you learn where everything goes, and you can give them up and just draw.

I watch a lot of YouTube tutorials, specifically from these three people:
markcrilley
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luleymoon
They help tons. The first is a published author, Mark Crilley (I read the first volume of one of his series, Miki Falls...it was amazing, and I wish I could find moar :cry:). He puts up tutorials and video comics all the freaking time, and he doesn't just show his own style--he studies other manga, too, and even incorporates the styles of the mangaka into his videos. He's a huge help, and I totally recommend him; he's got a tutorial for pretty much everything, and he reads comments and PMs, despite his fame~ (He can't always reply, though.) The second is a girl who also makes a lot of tutorials, and she's also a big mangaka YouTuber. According to her website and channel and virtually everything that applies to her, she's coming out with a manga next year. Most are speedpaint, but even those help a lot. She listens to requests, too. And the third is a girl who takes drawing requests for anime characters, then makes how-to-draw videos by drawing them herself and filming it. I strongly recommend her; it's a big help when you have the styles of your favorite mangaka broken down to see how they were drawn so you can implement them into your own works. I've also talked with her, and I'm friends with her on Facebook, so I know she's a nice person, at least~ xD (She also does the occasional cosplay tutorial!)

Watch their videos! I went on a few vacations this past August, and on both I had access to either a Macbook or an iPhone. I also brought paper and drawing materials, so I put myself through a training camp of sorts, and my drawings improved a hundredfold in a span of only three-ish weeks.

Hope I helped! :lol:

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 Post subject: Re: Need HELPFUL critiques.
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Titania wrote:
One word for you: guidelines. They may sound awful at first, but once you try them, they'll become your bestest best friend. The awesomest part about them is that they're only there for a time--after a while, you learn where everything goes, and you can give them up and just draw.

I watch a lot of YouTube tutorials, specifically from these three people:
markcrilley
Sophiechan90
luleymoon
They help tons. The first is a published author, Mark Crilley (I read the first volume of one of his series, Miki Falls...it was amazing, and I wish I could find moar :cry:). He puts up tutorials and video comics all the freaking time, and he doesn't just show his own style--he studies other manga, too, and even incorporates the styles of the mangaka into his videos. He's a huge help, and I totally recommend him; he's got a tutorial for pretty much everything, and he reads comments and PMs, despite his fame~ (He can't always reply, though.) The second is a girl who also makes a lot of tutorials, and she's also a big mangaka YouTuber. According to her website and channel and virtually everything that applies to her, she's coming out with a manga next year. Most are speedpaint, but even those help a lot. She listens to requests, too. And the third is a girl who takes drawing requests for anime characters, then makes how-to-draw videos by drawing them herself and filming it. I strongly recommend her; it's a big help when you have the styles of your favorite mangaka broken down to see how they were drawn so you can implement them into your own works. I've also talked with her, and I'm friends with her on Facebook, so I know she's a nice person, at least~ xD (She also does the occasional cosplay tutorial!)

Watch their videos! I went on a few vacations this past August, and on both I had access to either a Macbook or an iPhone. I also brought paper and drawing materials, so I put myself through a training camp of sorts, and my drawings improved a hundredfold in a span of only three-ish weeks.

Hope I helped! :lol:

I will emit I haven't watched the video yet, but just by looking at they pages I alreafy have an idea of what to expect, and I honestly would advice against it. Its been a while since I watched this but I highly suggest you watch these though. One thing I have come to realize, and I am seeing this to be true is little to very few people understand the theory of drawing. There are rules, theories, and understandings in art that go beyond just drawing/painting what you feel. You can practice something a thousand times, but if you keep doing something wrong, you wont magically get it right doing it wrong a thousand times, and that is what majority of the people on here are doing, telling others to do the wrong thing over and over again, and this is wrong all they are doing is hurting you as a artist, because your work is remaining stasis, you aren't learning or understanding nothing. I am not saying this to be an ass, to be offensive, to portray myself as knowing more then anyone else. I'm saying this because it is the damn truth. If I wanted to show myself better than others in someway, to be honest I can go to everyones topic, this includes guns, cf, lunders and point out every single thing wrong with their compositions, and yes their works have flaws as well and I have no doubt that they see them as well which is why I never post on their topics. These links I have posted, goes into theory and exercises of them alittle, there have been more added since I last watch them over 2 years ago, but there has been about 5 new episodes as\dded. This is where you need to start, this is where 90% of this forum needs to be starting honestly, but you can take it or leave it. silly goose I think I'l rewatch them from the beginning again myself

Ten minute drawing techniques
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQ1WVyPHvU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9SZYK3ozw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojlFP2-R_1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmj6u5NZ1DE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMUEN1JUuKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbdgXFXCqks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUQsm8Q0_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwpFT2m3Hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJzZr22UuWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uFULRkPhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQKGYfJrqVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6wroWOmrhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoV9IRvL7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ZVMCMU-r0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlPIof4Gwew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR46mDzmvYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BWd3Xso34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aot_pL0l1Gk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7kPDz6csk

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It needs alot of improvement. Maybe try watching anime and reading manga and study how they're eyes are and look at how they're bodys are drawn.

This is by far the worst advice that can ever be given to someone who wants to draw, even if they just want to draw as a hobby. I will advice you not to do this.

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 Post subject: Re: Need HELPFUL critiques.
PostPosted: Thu Nov 25, 2010 7:31 am 
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thanks guys.
@Titania
Although they seem like your favorites I don't get on youtube much. But it may turn out to be something I need to do.
@Blackmage
I understand you mean everyone makes mistakes. But the truth is, everyone will always make mistakes as no one can perfect anything. You can only make something look the best you can. Another thing, everyone is giving me advice on how they draw, not on drawing in particular. The only thing I want to learn to draw from people here is manga, and realistic works of art. I see you are just trying to help, but let others voice their opinions as well, and do not voice against them. They want to help as well.

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 Post subject: Re: Need HELPFUL critiques.
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Ya sorry blackmage :/ I'm not good at advice :( but I suggested it so he could learn something like eyes and everything idk just sorrrryyy

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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 5:08 am 
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Blackmage wrote:
Titania wrote:
One word for you: guidelines. They may sound awful at first, but once you try them, they'll become your bestest best friend. The awesomest part about them is that they're only there for a time--after a while, you learn where everything goes, and you can give them up and just draw.

I watch a lot of YouTube tutorials, specifically from these three people:
markcrilley
Sophiechan90
luleymoon
They help tons. The first is a published author, Mark Crilley (I read the first volume of one of his series, Miki Falls...it was amazing, and I wish I could find moar :cry:). He puts up tutorials and video comics all the freaking time, and he doesn't just show his own style--he studies other manga, too, and even incorporates the styles of the mangaka into his videos. He's a huge help, and I totally recommend him; he's got a tutorial for pretty much everything, and he reads comments and PMs, despite his fame~ (He can't always reply, though.) The second is a girl who also makes a lot of tutorials, and she's also a big mangaka YouTuber. According to her website and channel and virtually everything that applies to her, she's coming out with a manga next year. Most are speedpaint, but even those help a lot. She listens to requests, too. And the third is a girl who takes drawing requests for anime characters, then makes how-to-draw videos by drawing them herself and filming it. I strongly recommend her; it's a big help when you have the styles of your favorite mangaka broken down to see how they were drawn so you can implement them into your own works. I've also talked with her, and I'm friends with her on Facebook, so I know she's a nice person, at least~ xD (She also does the occasional cosplay tutorial!)

Watch their videos! I went on a few vacations this past August, and on both I had access to either a Macbook or an iPhone. I also brought paper and drawing materials, so I put myself through a training camp of sorts, and my drawings improved a hundredfold in a span of only three-ish weeks.

Hope I helped! :lol:

I will emit I haven't watched the video yet, but just by looking at they pages I alreafy have an idea of what to expect, and I honestly would advice against it. Its been a while since I watched this but I highly suggest you watch these though. One thing I have come to realize, and I am seeing this to be true is little to very few people understand the theory of drawing. There are rules, theories, and understandings in art that go beyond just drawing/painting what you feel. You can practice something a thousand times, but if you keep doing something wrong, you wont magically get it right doing it wrong a thousand times, and that is what majority of the people on here are doing, telling others to do the wrong thing over and over again, and this is wrong all they are doing is hurting you as a artist, because your work is remaining stasis, you aren't learning or understanding nothing. I am not saying this to be an silly goose, to be offensive, to portray myself as knowing more then anyone else. I'm saying this because it is the silly goose truth. If I wanted to show myself better than others in someway, to be honest I can go to everyones topic, this includes guns, cf, lunders and point out every single thing wrong with their compositions, and yes their works have flaws as well and I have no doubt that they see them as well which is why I never post on their topics. These links I have posted, goes into theory and exercises of them alittle, there have been more added since I last watch them over 2 years ago, but there has been about 5 new episodes as\dded. This is where you need to start, this is where 90% of this forum needs to be starting honestly, but you can take it or leave it. silly goose I think I'l rewatch them from the beginning again myself

Ten minute drawing techniques
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BsQ1WVyPHvU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eA9SZYK3ozw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ojlFP2-R_1o
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rmj6u5NZ1DE
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hMUEN1JUuKQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UbdgXFXCqks
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qUQsm8Q0_g
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WhwpFT2m3Hk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJzZr22UuWw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r5uFULRkPhQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TQKGYfJrqVI
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g6wroWOmrhk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XCoV9IRvL7c
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=D5ZVMCMU-r0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WlPIof4Gwew
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nR46mDzmvYU
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O6BWd3Xso34
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aot_pL0l1Gk
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bf7kPDz6csk

narutofox180 wrote:
It needs alot of improvement. Maybe try watching anime and reading manga and study how they're eyes are and look at how they're bodys are drawn.

This is by far the worst advice that can ever be given to someone who wants to draw, even if they just want to draw as a hobby. I will advice you not to do this.


Wow. I'm having difficulty beginning my comment after reading this. Blackmage, I figure you mean well and you know...well, some things about drawing and art and the like but there is a plethora of ways to "advise" someone on what to and not to do and bashing other people's comments is not the kindest, nor the most effective one.

"This is by far the worst advice that can ever be given." Could you not have phrased this just a tad nicer? Remember that the members of MT are people with feelings and many of them are beginner artists who do not realize they have a few bad beginner habits like referencing off of only other manga and anime when they're first starting out. Your underlying point is valid; anime and manga are not the best reference for a beginner. But calling it "the worst advice" seems like you're blatantly insulting Narutofox180, especially after others had already voiced similar sentiments.

At the same time, Narutofox, your first comment was also a bit brash. Age has little to do with how well one draws. I've known 14-year-olds that draw like professionals and 30-somethings that draw like bears with pencils.

Levi: I'm going to touch on a few topics here so try and bear with me.
One. Art, as far as I and so many other artists have come to discover, has no "right" and "wrong." There is no "right" way to paint a bush or "wrong" way to sculpt a hand. Art IS the expression of oneself and this is why it can literally be ANYTHING. Art can be a canvas with one color, an apple made of candy wrappers, A TOILET THAT HAS BEEN RENAMED "FOUNTAIN."

Two, having said that, there are ways that one can draw, say, an arm "better" or a leg "worse." There is definitely a certain amount of theory involved in drawing the human body with ACCURATE anatomy, perspective, foreshortening, the like, and this is where I agree with Blackmage. The videos they posted could be quite helpful.

Accurate anatomy in humans and other organic subjects (from bunnies to daffodils) often is more appealing to the eye and, once you are able to draw it, that is, "draw realistically," you are easily able to draw just about any other way too. So, any accomplished artist is probably going to tell you the same thing: start with realism. Start with life. Look around you, draw what you see. Please don't refer only to anime and manga.

Anime and manga is chock full of highly stylized portrayals of people and animals. What happens is many newbies watch anime or read manga and not only do they pick up little eccentricities from whoever's style they're emulating but they also don't learn the basics behind drawing an actual human, for instance the anatomy of a true person's face. They draw big eyes, tiny mouths, spiky hair, etc. and they often have difficulty switching to anything else (like a person with curly hair for instance). Mangaka and anime artists usually have traditional artistic training, meaning they understand the basic concepts and theories behind accurate anatomy, perspective, foreshortening, etc. They were able to work up from this solid foundation and warp the basic human anatomy to their liking (deciding how large they wanted eyes, ears, etc.), as well as make stylistic choices, like how thick they wanted lines to be, how dark or light they wanted a character's features, what have you.

SO.

Take a look at those 10-minute drawing videos and just practice drawing in general. Maybe take a look at some art books on "drawing the human body" or tutorials online. Draw from life as often as possible and notice the placement of things, where eyes and ears and noses lay on people's faces or how their arms connect to their shoulders.

Titania mentioned "guidelines," they can be a godsend. I use guidelines for much of what I draw. If you look up drawing tutorials on deviantart, youtube, or even just google, many tutorials will begin with guidelines. They follow different methods and can be done different ways but if you break down the different parts of whatever you're drawing into basic shapes or lines, it can be WAY easier to draw everything quickly and accurately.

After you have at least a basic foundation down for human anatomy, then you can move onto studying other anime and manga artists' work and creating your own style. Studying and analyzing other artists' work is always a helpful activity to be honest, when you're first starting out you just have to realize that the artist may have warped reality to their liking and may also have some bad habits they still have yet to discover...

All this has been a bit general and I apologize for not critiquing your posted work directly. I'll give a more direct critique next piece :) for now, practice practice practice!


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PostPosted: Fri Nov 26, 2010 9:26 am 
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...I think I should probably be more experiences before I start to critique,I didn't really ask about his age becaus I wanted to critique it though I was just curious

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Sorry, Narutofox. I didn't notice you asked about my age. I'm 15. I'll be turning 16 in march.

Oh and btw before this turns into a flame war, get BACK ON TOPIC GUYS.
I posted this to get critiques not to see you guys argue.

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Sorry, Narutofox. I didn't notice you asked about my age. I'm 15. I'll be turning 16 in march.

Oh and btw before this turns into a flame war, get BACK ON TOPIC GUYS.
I posted this to get critiques not to see you guys argue.


cool :)...I was making a statement, I didn't mean to say something that would start an arguement :/

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Well, for the new people this is the most wise advice someone can gave you:
"never listen what Blackmage says"

Trust me, even if he try to gave you some advice or something, most of his words are not made to be readed by people.

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